Delisted free agents

[4#Didak#4]

Mitch Brown is a bigger spud than Dunn. A shocking kick and all round shit.

He isn't really that much worse than Nathan Brown, in fact if I didn't know better I would almost say they were twins . People were all outraged we let Nathan go and didn't pony up and pay an excessive contract for him. However, when an almost identical player could come on board for no trade cost and fill a bad KP depth problem on far less coin people are all saying thats crazy talk....but hey thats bigfooty

 

[THATSGOLD]

He isn't really that much worse than Nathan Brown, in fact if I didn't know better I would almost say they were twins . People were all outraged we let Nathan go and didn't pony up and pay an excessive contract for him. However, when an almost identical player could come on board for no trade cost and fill a bad KP depth problem on far less coin people are all saying thats crazy talk....but hey thats bigfooty

If you rate Mitch Brown you rate 100% of the players in the competition.

 

[Go Woods]

aint slow. played on heath shaw at times in the swans vs gws first final and had a lot of speed on him.

Reckon we should take him if there is still available at the backend of the draft....could develop into a really good forward, alla
Gunstan?

 

[pablo disco bar]

There has been worse.

I liked kent butcher

 

[pablo disco bar]

Whi

Reckon we should take him if there is still available at the backend of the draft....could develop into a really good forward, alla
Gunstan?

Whos this about?
On a side note paul stewart from port....never heard of him....apparently played 100ganes....is he any good?

 

[pablo disco bar]

I would like us to take a punt on mitch clarke

 

[Justlokan]

I would like us to take a punt on mitch clarke

Too injury prone. The body can't take it anymore and he has really slowed down - ironic given he spent time on a wing with Brisbane.
Clark can't provide defensive pressure either which is one of the reasons Cloke was let go.

 

[Matt_352]

I would like us to take a punt on mitch clarke

Too much chance of him not playing due to depression again

 

[Justlokan]

Lee has been super-unlucky. By the end of his first year with us he was comfortably in our starting 18 up forward and kicked 16 goals in his last 8 games (including 3 games of 3 goals, in a poor team) and was looking like being excellent in the 2nd or 3rd role up there for years to come, but then he had both shoulders reconstructed after that season (injuries that he played with all year, along with a calf issue and a dodgy knee) and he then had significant issues with one or both shoulders throughout the following season, which left him a shadow of his late previous season self in that 2nd year.

By this time Watters had been sacked and Richo had taken over and I don't think Richo was impressed with his first impressions of Tom (who was way out of form and confidence when he was brought in to the seniors due to injuries to others and him being about the only option we had) and ever since he's rarely been given a fair crack at senior footy.

The following year he was struggling up forward at the beginning and was switched back to defence and seemed to regain his confidence back there and started to play some really good footy consistently again, but was not rewarded once for it with a senior opportunity, before an injury prematurely ended his season.

Then this year he again played a lot of strong footy down back in the VFL and was finally rewarded with a return to AFL level and had 19 disposals and 9 marks against Hawthorn and then played what most on our board thought was an even better game the following week, against GWS (I for one thought he was about our only positive to take out of the match, when he took a number of strong intercept marks) but then he was to the shock of most of us dropped the following week (apparently because they didn't think he had a "defend first" attitude) and when he was brought back in again for a couple of weeks later in the year, he really struggled (seemed to have lost all his attacking/intercepting instincts) and wasn't seen at senior level again. Was switched forward in the VFL finals and kicked 4 or 5 goals in Sandy's first final, as a reminder that he can also play forward.

Basically I think circumstances have really hurt Tom's chances of making it. Firstly the shoulder and other injuries at in-opportune times, the arrival of the likes of Bruce, Paddy and Membrey and possibly even more importantly, the coaching change after his first year. He is the type that Watters seemed to like, but he just isn't Richo's type and as such he's rarely given him much of a go.

Up forward Lee showed in his first year that he can really hurt teams with minimal opportunities (due to his deadly kicking, good marking and ability to pick the ball up even on the half-volley), but Richo is massive on forward pressure and that is not a strength of Tom's (and also Membrey is now killing it in that 3rd tall role that I reckon Tom could play), while down back, Tom is the sort that I reckon could do really well in teams who play a zone set-up in defence (as opposed to going 1-on-1), as he reads the play really well, intercept marks strongly and has a superb and long kick on him, but we don't play that way and prefer to play the traditional 1-on-1 set-up and Tom is not as well suited that that, as he lacks body strength in particular. The other thing that I believe holds him back from getting a game back there for us is that for that 3rd-tall role back there Richo prefers them to be able to play both tall and small and Tom doesn't really have the agility/mobility/speed to play small, like say Dempster/Gilbert/Roberton do.

So he's really been shit out of luck ever since he had both shoulders reconstructed and Richo took over from Watters at the end of his first year with us. In a different team and with a better injury run, he could have played a lot more footy by now IMO and been likely to have a pretty long career. He's also struggled to build a tank, which wasn't as much of an issue when he started, but is harder to get by without now.

Thanks for the write-up. Judging by this, you're suggesting he could be a Tom Lynch (Adelaide) type, as long as there are other key targets (Moore/White) who can get most of the attention.
Given that Membrey is the 3rd tall do you think this is the primary reason Lee is on thei outer? Sounds to me that throwing down back was an experiment to see if he could carve himself another role given that the forward line was out of the question.

And what's the latest on his injuries?

 

[Go Woods]

Whi

Whos this about?
On a side note paul stewart from port....never heard of him....apparently played 100ganes....is he any good?

Xavier Richards

 

[Good_Old]

We should go after Chris Dawes and Mitch Clark.

 

[4#Didak#4]

If you rate Mitch Brown you rate 100% of the players in the competition.

You lack perspective (amongst other things). We are talking about players outside of the competition who have or will be delisted and will not participate in the draft. If they do not have a spot on a list they are by definition not highly rated players. How high they are rated outside the competition is a whole other discussion.

 

[Nuffsaid]

Tim Mohr would be the one I would be interested in. Played good footy for GWS but copped a few injuries and the Tomlinson, Davis, Haynes trio have gone past him and they will prefer Corr and Himmelberg over him. He'd be ok. Uses it well. I'd just want to be sure his pace and agility havent dropped off with his injuries.

Be interesting to see if Matt Spangher gets cut loose.

I agree. Mohr is not that old and at basement price you could do worse. Big body.

 

[MyManLynch]

We should go after Chris Dawes and Mitch Clark.

Ahhhh...how about...Nooooooooooo!

Nb I assume u r taking the p

 

[MyManLynch]

I would like us to take a punt on mitch clarke

Too risky...cannot stay on the paddock.
At 29 that's not suddenly going to change.
He can join Gault in WAFL land.

Edit: unless your name is Wells...

 

[Crazy Tails]

Gee we are really scraping the bottom of the barrel when we are talking up Dawes and Clark as possible fwd options. Pass!


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[Snoop Dog]

Reckon we should take him if there is still available at the backend of the draft....could develop into a really good forward, alla
Gunstan?

yep thats his go. Am surprised given Buckley desire for more mobile targets he isnt in the frame for us. personally would have much rathered him than Mayne and would have been much cheaper.

 

[Ketchup]

Josh Green delisted. wouldn't be against rookieing him and seeing if a rocket up his ass he will pull his finger out. definitely fills a need

 

[MagpieJoel]

I would like us to take a punt on mitch clarke

He has played something like 13 games in 4 years. No thanks.

 

[ThePhantom777]

Josh Green, Mitch Brown and Xavier Richards are all worth a free hit for depth. Remember that Ted Richards developed late so his bro could too.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

He isn't really that much worse than Nathan Brown, in fact if I didn't know better I would almost say they were twins . People were all outraged we let Nathan go and didn't pony up and pay an excessive contract for him. However, when an almost identical player could come on board for no trade cost and fill a bad KP depth problem on far less coin people are all saying thats crazy talk....but hey thats bigfooty

Nathan is a far superior player to Mitch, but you're right, with our current game plan not much difference between the two.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Thanks for the write-up. Judging by this, you're suggesting he could be a Tom Lynch (Adelaide) type, as long as there are other key targets (Moore/White) who can get most of the attention.
Given that Membrey is the 3rd tall do you think this is the primary reason Lee is on thei outer? Sounds to me that throwing down back was an experiment to see if he could carve himself another role given that the forward line was out of the question.

And what's the latest on his injuries?

When he played that chunk of games forward and kicked 16 goals in the 2nd half of his first season with us he was actually the primary target inside 50 for us a lot of the time and was for a chunk of those games ranked no.1 in the comp for retaining the balls that were kicked to him inside 50 (despite our regularly putrid delivery!), so he's probably more someone who is suited to playing inside 50 than he is the roaming far and wide type role that a Tom Lynch plays. He just doesn't have the tank for that sort of role- which may be the main thing that prevents him from having an AFL career from now on, as you really need a big one to play the 3rd type role up forward these days.

Throwing him down back wasn't so much of an experiment, as he had played pretty well down back in the WAFL after he first got cut by Adelaide at 19yo, before being swung forward and really killing it there, resulting in us recruiting him. I'd say we threw him back there as he was really struggling with his form and confidence up forward after that horror 2nd year with us (which seemed to destroy his confidence) and it probably just took the pressure off him and it didn't take long for him to get his form and confidence back in that role.

I was watching the replay of our game v GWS from R5 this year the other day as Jack Steele played pretty well in it and I wanted to have a good look at him and that was the game that Lee played I thought well in (and Jason Dunstall in commentary agreed) and it just made me wish we'd been able to get more out of him, as his hands overhead were beautifully clean and sharp and his kicking out of defence was a joy to watch and definitely something we could have done with seeing a lot more of, but it looks like it's not to be.

As for his current injury/body situation, this club review from a couple of weeks ago will probably sum it up much better than I would be able to: http://www.saints.com.au/news/2016-09-20/season-review-tom-lee

PS- Didn't realise this thread was on the Collingwood board, not sure how I came across it in the first place, I think I thought it was on the D&T board, lol!

 

[4#Didak#4]

Nathan is a far superior player to Mitch, but you're right, with our current game plan not much difference between the two.

There is not all that much difference between them. Mitch has had slightly more injury problems that have held him back, he was also played as a forward at the Eagles and could not get a shot at it with Kennedy, Darling and their ruck fwd stocks keeping him out. Nathan has had less competition and more opportunity, but for a time was ousted by Jack Frost, which isn't a glowing reference.

They are both genuinely good guys (quality ppl should always be considered) but they do have limits on what they can do especially these days in the age of mobility. I would see Mitch more as key forward depth, given we have none. I would argue he is better than Gault (this is the spot that needs taking) and can't see any real genuinely available key forwards that are currently available that could step in right now and play AFL if we get an injury - other than Mitch Clark, Chris Dawes and maybe even old Johny Butcher. Brown would be the safe option, less upside, less downside. Clark the other extreme.

 

[Breakthelines]

We should look at putting Minson on the Rookie list. Need a back up Ruck...and please don't say cox! He's still learning the game.

 

[pablo disco bar]

Wow theres a few options....everitt from the blues would be ok i reckon as a rookie