If it hasn't already been said, there is no reason to elevate Garlett as he can be nominated as a rookie next year. It makes little tactical sense to elevate him unless they are worried about his thin ego being on the rookie list.
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If it hasn't already been said, there is no reason to elevate Garlett as he can be nominated as a rookie next year. It makes little tactical sense to elevate him unless they are worried about his thin ego being on the rookie list.
Oh - how very kind of them - not. If we play our cards right we should not have to utilise that option. Young Tiller isn't going anywhere in a hurry and there's one or two that others that we could risk losing.
OK, so with the changes announced today we have another 4 guys off the senior list (for a total of 5 so far) and 3 off the rookie list. Given we have 2 already coming on to the senior list, that gives us 3 spaces on the senior list to fill if we don't delist anyone more. One of those spaces could be a rookie upgrade (likely Joseph) but if we want to upgrade any other rookies that would necessitate another pick in the draft. Now over on TC, Cazzesman, who's likely to know has said that the position with the rookies is as follows:
"AJ (2 yrs Must be listed on Primary list or put up for grabs)
Bentley (3 yrs (2yrs with Port 1yr with Blues) so I guess he must be listed on Primary list or put up for grabs)
Ellard (2 yrs Must be listed on Primary list or put up for grabs)
Jacobs (3 yrs Must be listed on Primary list or put up for grabs)
Garlett (1 yr Can be retained as Rookie for a 2nd yr if agrees. Could be listed as the Nominated Rookie so can play AFL anytime)"
Assuming that is accurate I would have thought that means AJ will be promoted (surely - indeed it is undestood he has a contract for a couple of years already), Bentley will go (i am amazed he hasn't yet gone, but surely we couldn't promote him), Ellard will probably go although I wouldn't put it beyond possibility he might be promoted, Jacobs will be promoted (ruckmen have currency) and Garlett although he could argue for deserving elevation will be retained on the rookie list simply to evade the need for an extra delisting. That would be 2 elevations (possibly 3) only one of which would count in our minimum 3 picks in the ND so we need to take a fourth (or if Ellard is elevated a 5th) pick in the ND - so there must be one, maybe 2 more delistings. But then we hear that Swann says we will go to the PSD, so that means another delisting, ie a total of 2 or 3 more. One will be Stevens if we can either get his salary out of next years cap or afford to wear it, but that remains to be seen. So, the upshot is 1 - 3 more guys to go depending on Stevens and Ellard. Who are the potential 3 on the senior list? Wiggins, Browne, Cloke, Fisher, Anderson ...? The first 2 are apparently out of contract which would give them cause for concern while the others have another year to go, but might be paid out at a pinch. My own view is that means Wiggler will go (sadly) and maybe Browne (again sadly) will be the unlucky one if Stevens has to stay on (or Ellard is promoted), although perhaps he could be rookied, in which event we would have 1 retained rookie (Garlett), one demoted to rookie (Browne) and 2 international rookies (Labi and Tuohy assuming he is still coming) and 4 rookie spots to fill. If we promoted Ellard AND Stevens stayed on the list then we would have to cut one of the contracted trio. Then again, maybe one or more other players are at risk? If I understand it correctly the only other player who MAY be uncontracted is Kreuzer but even if he is we know he won't be delisted, so on that assumption again anyone else to go would have to have their contract paid out, which probably won't happen.
So my guess (red equals confimed, "?" means I possible but I doubt it)
SENIOR LIST
ON
Maclean
Henderson
Joseph
Jacobs
Ellard?
ND PICKS (2) 12 & 43
PSD PICK (1) (suspect Buckley is in mind - hope not)
OFF
Fevola
Edwards
Hartlett
Bannister
Bentick
Stevens
Wiggins
Browne?
ROOKIES
ELEVATED - Joseph, Jacobs, Ellard?
RETAINED - Garlett
NEW INTERNATIONALS Labi, Tuohy
DEMOTED SENIOR Browne?
RD PICKS 4-5
I think you will find if they were de-listed by their club (be it another club or the same) and are then re-rookied then the process starts all over again. We don't have to elevate Bentley, that's for sure, and I think there might be one or two others that were re-rookied within the last two years.
OK, so with the changes announced today we have another 4 guys off the senior list (for a total of 5 so far) and 3 off the rookie list. Given we have 2 already coming on to the senior list, that gives us 3 spaces on the senior list to fill if we don't delist anyone more. One of those spaces could be a rookie upgrade (likely Joseph) but if we want to upgrade any other rookies that would necessitate another pick in the draft. Now over on TC, Cazzesman, who's likely to know has said that the position with the rookies is as follows:
"AJ (2 yrs Must be listed on Primary list or put up for grabs)
Bentley (3 yrs (2yrs with Port 1yr with Blues) so I guess he must be listed on Primary list or put up for grabs)
Ellard (2 yrs Must be listed on Primary list or put up for grabs)
Jacobs (3 yrs Must be listed on Primary list or put up for grabs)
Garlett (1 yr Can be retained as Rookie for a 2nd yr if agrees. Could be listed as the Nominated Rookie so can play AFL anytime)"
Assuming that is accurate I would have thought that means AJ will be promoted (surely - indeed it is undestood he has a contract for a couple of years already), Bentley will go (i am amazed he hasn't yet gone, but surely we couldn't promote him), Ellard will probably go although I wouldn't put it beyond possibility he might be promoted, Jacobs will be promoted (ruckmen have currency) and Garlett although he could argue for deserving elevation will be retained on the rookie list simply to evade the need for an extra delisting. That would be 2 elevations (possibly 3) only one of which would count in our minimum 3 picks in the ND so we need to take a fourth (or if Ellard is elevated a 5th) pick in the ND - so there must be one, maybe 2 more delistings. But then we hear that Swann says we will go to the PSD, so that means another delisting, ie a total of 2 or 3 more. One will be Stevens if we can either get his salary out of next years cap or afford to wear it, but that remains to be seen. So, the upshot is 1 - 3 more guys to go depending on Stevens and Ellard. Who are the potential 3 on the senior list? Wiggins, Browne, Cloke, Fisher, Anderson ...? The first 2 are apparently out of contract which would give them cause for concern while the others have another year to go, but might be paid out at a pinch. My own view is that means Wiggler will go (sadly) and maybe Browne (again sadly) will be the unlucky one if Stevens has to stay on (or Ellard is promoted), although perhaps he could be rookied, in which event we would have 1 retained rookie (Garlett), one demoted to rookie (Browne) and 2 international rookies (Labi and Tuohy assuming he is still coming) and 4 rookie spots to fill. If we promoted Ellard AND Stevens stayed on the list then we would have to cut one of the contracted trio. Then again, maybe one or more other players are at risk? If I understand it correctly the only other player who MAY be uncontracted is Kreuzer but even if he is we know he won't be delisted, so on that assumption again anyone else to go would have to have their contract paid out, which probably won't happen.
So my guess (red equals confimed, "?" means I possible but I doubt it)
SENIOR LIST
ON
Maclean
Henderson
Joseph
Jacobs
Ellard?
ND PICKS (2) 12 & 43
PSD PICK (1) (suspect Buckley is in mind - hope not)
OFF
Fevola
Edwards
Hartlett
Bannister
Bentick
Stevens
Wiggins
Browne?
ROOKIES
ELEVATED - Joseph, Jacobs, Ellard?
RETAINED - Garlett
NEW INTERNATIONALS Labi, Tuohy
DEMOTED SENIOR Browne?
RD PICKS 4-5
i don't think browne is at any risk of being cut or rookied, he's showed a lot of promise and is definitely on the way up when there are players who are going down, older and more expensive to get rid of first. surely any of cloke, fisher, wiggins, joey, tiller and others would be gone long before browne. who's this Labi guy, haven't heard anything about him?
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i would have given Bannister one more year to prove himself. He's been hampered by injuries and he's shown glimpses of form to suggest he can mix it with the best.
Stanton was a bit unlucky. Would have delisted Bentley before Stanton.
Stanton was a bit unlucky. Would have delisted Bentley before Stanton.
i would have given Bannister one more year to prove himself. He's been hampered by injuries and he's shown glimpses of form to suggest he can mix it with the best.
Stanton was a bit unlucky. Would have delisted Bentley before Stanton.
Stanton was a bit unlucky. Would have delisted Bentley before Stanton.
You dont give a 25-26 year old who averages 9-10 games a year another year to prove themselves. Bannister has his fans and has played some good games but that Essendon game showed why his time was up. Not good enough in defence, not worthy of a spot in midfield, but a good tryer.
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It's harsh to judge him on his performance in defence in the only game he played there in twelve months. From what I saw the problems he had that night were down to a lack of understanding between him and the regulars down back. Let's face it, the whole side was a sieve that night. The week before against the Saints he was excellent.
Now the previous year, he was a gun down back and looked to have finally made it. He just has the bad luck to be out of contract at the wrong time. I still would have delisted Cloke and Fisher (and we may still) before him even if it meant paying out contracts.
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If you look just at the number of Carlton call ups these guys had (including Cloke and Fish) it is clear the club has the delistings about right. As players get older the chances of them getting better now diminishes so if they cannot get games now the likelihood they will play next season is even slimmer. So we are far more likely to use Fish and Cloke than Harts or Edwards, and we have plenty of cover for Bentick with Hads and now Mclean, and unfortunately the game has also passed Bano by and he was only used because we had so many backmen injured and whilst it may happen again we have other better options as younger players improve. I suspect Bano and Bents might find themselves on the Bullants lists next year.
On the balance of probability of who would play a part in the seniors they got it spot on.
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Daewoo needs to go!! Oh, I meant Bentley!He makes me sick!!
Ellard is a hack!!
Scotland will NOT be delisted. No way!!
I agree with you Bently would have to be the worst carlton player on the list. Every time he gets the ball it is a turn over which results in a goal.
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I frickin hate these kind of statements. Are you really trying to tell people that not a single Bentley disposal ever hit a team mate, not a hand pass, short pass or long kick was to a team mate. Ever? Is that really what you mean?
I accept he is probably the least likely on the list to get another game, fine, say that but these clearly false statements are a joke.
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I frickin hate these kind of statements. Are you really trying to tell people that not a single Bentley disposal ever hit a team mate, not a hand pass, short pass or long kick was to a team mate. Ever? Is that really what you mean?
I accept he is probably the least likely on the list to get another game, fine, say that but these clearly false statements are a joke.
I Just think he should go do you?
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Those 4 were the no-brainers really, and they've said there'll be more.
I think Cloke's in big trouble.
Despite Fev going, I don't see Cloke as our FF option and with Warnock up and running next year, plus Kreuzer, Hampson, Sauce..there's no need for him in the ruck. Is he a part of Ratten's forwardline plan?
Bannister's time was up, but I'll miss the way he always towelled up Chad Cornes
I think Cloke's in big trouble.
Despite Fev going, I don't see Cloke as our FF option and with Warnock up and running next year, plus Kreuzer, Hampson, Sauce..there's no need for him in the ruck. Is he a part of Ratten's forwardline plan?
Bannister's time was up, but I'll miss the way he always towelled up Chad Cornes
Those 4 were the no-brainers really, and they've said there'll be more.
I think Cloke's in big trouble.
Despite Fev going, I don't see Cloke as our FF option and with Warnock up and running, plus Kreuzer, Hampson, Sauce..there's no need for him in the ruck. Is he a part of Ratten's forwardline plan?
Bannister's time was up, but I will miss the way he always towelled up Chad Cornes
Is he?
+ I think Cloke might get another year especially after his Bullants GF performance
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Bentnick should go to Richmond. Banno should go back to bloody essescumbags.
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Probably on what we have seen but he may have qualities we have not seen yet, but that the MC saw in him when they decided to give him a try.
No problems seeing peoples opinions on who they think will go or stay but at least don't exaggerate or make stuff up.
BTW Bentley is a rookie so if he goes he opens a spot for another rookie so he is hardly a list clogger. Rookies are a speculative pick especially mature aged ones.
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I do wonder if there is room on the list for Cloke, Fish and The Chief. I think it would very much depend on who nominates for the draft. If the club thinks that they need another spot open for a PSD pick then perhaps there will be more delistings, but I do believe anyone with a contract is safe, which is Fish and may be Cloke if the 10 game clause was there. Not sure on Wiggo's contract status.
But having said that, now that there is to be a different forward structure, players that have seemed to struggle might (yes a big if but not unknown to happen before) come into their own. We might be surprised at who might bob up and play out of their skin.
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the other 2 will be Stevo and Fisher now that Bradshaw will be coming our way.
we are slowly getting rid of some decent dead wood.
we are coming
the other 2 will be Stevo and Fisher now that Bradshaw will be coming our way.
we are slowly getting rid of some decent dead wood.
we are coming
I find it hard to believe Bentley has not been delisted. Is not much chop imo.
Wiggins should be the next guy on the block but going by the way Ratten seems to favour him, I find this unlikely.
Wiggins should be the next guy on the block but going by the way Ratten seems to favour him, I find this unlikely.
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Bentley's only a rookie remember, was probably still rated ahead of the other delisted rookies. And he still may go yet.
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