Certified Legendary Thread Delusional Pearlers IV

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Mm hm.
 
The defence of bikies and motorcycle gangs in general by numerous Richmond supporters are delusions of the highest order. The smack down by Malifice when shutting down that thread was glorious to behold.
 

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Donakebab said:
The defence of bikies and motorcycle gangs in general by numerous Richmond supporters are delusions of the highest order. The smack down by Malifice when shutting down that thread was glorious to behold.
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Meh, pretty shit to make that kind of comment and not provide an avenue of reply.
 
The Prosecutor said:
Meh, pretty shit to make that kind of comment and not provide an avenue of reply.
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I like it.

Far too often in all walks of life people are afraid to call a spade a spade for fear of being howled down by apologists of all walks of life.

Illegal bikie gangs are filled with scumbags. They should be viewed as scumbags, called scumbags, and scumbags without citizenship should be thrown out of the ****ing country.
 
Jade said:
I like it.

Far too often in all walks of life people are afraid to call a spade a spade for fear of being howled down by apologists of all walks of life.

Illegal bikie gangs are filled with scumbags. They should be viewed as scumbags, called scumbags, and scumbags without citizenship should be thrown out of the ******* country.
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Hear ****ing hear.
 
So the police are as bad as outlaw bike gangs apparently...

From the opposing viewpoint I'll rephrase your well-stated argument:
I'm gonna go a bit against the grain here. I don't like the cops; I refuse to believe they are simply misunderstood protectors of society. I spent quite a bit of time in Queensland, where the Special Branch (and other members of the Qld Police Force) intimidated and terrorised people, paying particular attention to the marginalised members of society. They ALSO ran the drug trade, prostitution, illegal gambling and strong-arm enforcement of political and judicial corruption. In short, not nice people in my experience and not the kind of organisation that we should be allowing in civilised society. (The rough end of the pineapple). I understand there might be people who disagree with me.
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Jade said:
I like it.

Far too often in all walks of life people are afraid to call a spade a spade for fear of being howled down by apologists of all walks of life.

Illegal bikie gangs are filled with scumbags. They should be viewed as scumbags, called scumbags, and scumbags without citizenship should be thrown out of the ******* country.
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They are literally defending the largest criminal gang in the country. My uncle is a patched member of the Rebels, the family has nothing to do with him, meanwhile these peanuts are defending someone they don't even know because his son plays football for them. It's beyond ridiculous.
 
Dave said:
So the police are as bad as outlaw bike gangs apparently...
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Nothing wrong with the first part of the quoted post - History has shown that Police are often the facilitators of crime and are paid accordingly - There has been more than one royal commission into the actions of police forces in Australia - Whether Police are as bad or worse than bikie gangs is open to debate - But both act off each other.
 
yaco55 said:
Nothing wrong with the first part of the quoted post - History has shown that Police are often the facilitators of crime and are paid accordingly - There has been more than one royal commission into the actions of police forces in Australia - Whether Police are as bad or worse than bikie gangs is open to debate - But both act off each other.
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Pretty rough to generalise there. There is no debate to be had, and suggesting that there is undermines the work that our Aussie coppers do.

Sure, there are individual scumbag cops - who should be and are prosecuted and jailed like any other scumbag. But it is more than a bit rich to suggest that the police could be as bad as a criminal organisation with stated criminal goals.
The police, as an organisation, are not in the same universe of 'bad' as bikie gangs. Bikie gangs aim to be bad! Even the minority of corrupt cops still have to slink around and hide from the mechanisms of their organisation which actively try to guard against criminal behaviour from within. Bikie gangs have no such mechanisms.

The core of a democratically backed legal monopoly of force is one based on a societally agreed upon morality. A criminal gang has a moral core that has nothing to do with society, and is usually willing to exploit society for money or power or whatever.

You are far more likely to come across a scumbag biker than a scumbag cop. Through my life I have been impressed watching individuals of the police force handling very very delicate situations. I recently had a homeless guy squatting in my dorm, the poor dude had nowhere else to go, was hungry, slightly unhinged, was stealing food and scaring residents. The police came in and dealt with an explosive and near impossible situation in a way that respected the guy, looked after his wellbeing, protected the residents and avoided an escalation of some bad shit. And they do that every day.
A bikie member might have just shot him, and demanded payment for the service.

Yes there are good blokes in bikie gangs, who are there for the sense of community or whatever. But I don't hear them asking for royal commissions into their organisation when the gang engages in criminal activity that endangers society. For every shitty thing a cop has done, there have been good cops who have spoken up. And every day there are many many cops doing really hard, good things.
Of course the police 'act of' the bikie gangs - it is their job to investigate criminal activity. And criminals are of course going to try and avoid the police. Using that reality to suggest that it is open to debate whether police are more harmful than bikie gangs is quite silly.
 
TDay said:
Pretty rough to generalise there. There is no debate to be had, and suggesting that there is undermines the work that our Aussie coppers do.

Sure, there are individual scumbag cops - who should be and are prosecuted and jailed like any other scumbag. But it is more than a bit rich to suggest that the police could be as bad as a criminal organisation with stated criminal goals.
The police, as an organisation, are not in the same universe of 'bad' as bikie gangs. Bikie gangs aim to be bad! Even the minority of corrupt cops still have to slink around and hide from the mechanisms of their organisation which actively try to guard against criminal behaviour from within. Bikie gangs have no such mechanisms.

The core of a democratically backed legal monopoly of force is one based on a societally agreed upon morality. A criminal gang has a moral core that has nothing to do with society, and is usually willing to exploit society for money or power or whatever.

You are far more likely to come across a scumbag biker than a scumbag cop. Through my life I have been impressed watching individuals of the police force handling very very delicate situations. I recently had a homeless guy squatting in my dorm, the poor dude had nowhere else to go, was hungry, slightly unhinged, was stealing food and scaring residents. The police came in and dealt with an explosive and near impossible situation in a way that respected the guy, looked after his wellbeing, protected the residents and avoided an escalation of some bad shit. And they do that every day.
A bikie member might have just shot him, and demanded payment for the service.

Yes there are good blokes in bikie gangs, who are there for the sense of community or whatever. But I don't hear them asking for royal commissions into their organisation when the gang engages in criminal activity that endangers society. For every shitty thing a cop has done, there have been good cops who have spoken up. And every day there are many many cops doing really hard, good things.
Of course the police 'act of' the bikie gangs - it is their job to investigate criminal activity. And criminals are of course going to try and avoid the police. Using that reality to suggest that it is open to debate whether police are more harmful than bikie gangs is quite silly.
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All you probably needed to say was “well it is the delusional pearlers thread Yaco - you’re in the right place”

;)
 
yaco55 said:
Nothing wrong with the first part of the quoted post - History has shown that Police are often the facilitators of crime and are paid accordingly - There has been more than one royal commission into the actions of police forces in Australia - Whether Police are as bad or worse than bikie gangs is open to debate - But both act off each other.
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Horseshit Yaco.
 

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Wow, the delusion really is seeping into this thread from our own posters. Are people really suggesting that the cops are only tarnished by select individuals? On a whole the cops do a fantastic job, often against the odds, and they are nowhere near the moral pits of bikie gangs, but there is a corruption within, not merely rogue individuals. How else would the term ‘policing the police’ become such a universal way of saying that you’re a fool to blindly trust in authority.
 
I for one am glad it's the police attempting to maintain the law in our society and not outlaw bikie gangs.

Is there corruption within the police force? Absolutely, just like there's corruption in most nooks and crannies of society, but be ****ed if I'd want anyone playing cops except the cops themselves.
 
TDay said:
Pretty rough to generalise there. There is no debate to be had, and suggesting that there is undermines the work that our Aussie coppers do.

Sure, there are individual scumbag cops - who should be and are prosecuted and jailed like any other scumbag. But it is more than a bit rich to suggest that the police could be as bad as a criminal organisation with stated criminal goals.
The police, as an organisation, are not in the same universe of 'bad' as bikie gangs. Bikie gangs aim to be bad! Even the minority of corrupt cops still have to slink around and hide from the mechanisms of their organisation which actively try to guard against criminal behaviour from within. Bikie gangs have no such mechanisms.

The core of a democratically backed legal monopoly of force is one based on a societally agreed upon morality. A criminal gang has a moral core that has nothing to do with society, and is usually willing to exploit society for money or power or whatever.

You are far more likely to come across a scumbag biker than a scumbag cop. Through my life I have been impressed watching individuals of the police force handling very very delicate situations. I recently had a homeless guy squatting in my dorm, the poor dude had nowhere else to go, was hungry, slightly unhinged, was stealing food and scaring residents. The police came in and dealt with an explosive and near impossible situation in a way that respected the guy, looked after his wellbeing, protected the residents and avoided an escalation of some bad shit. And they do that every day.
A bikie member might have just shot him, and demanded payment for the service.

Yes there are good blokes in bikie gangs, who are there for the sense of community or whatever. But I don't hear them asking for royal commissions into their organisation when the gang engages in criminal activity that endangers society. For every shitty thing a cop has done, there have been good cops who have spoken up. And every day there are many many cops doing really hard, good things.
Of course the police 'act of' the bikie gangs - it is their job to investigate criminal activity. And criminals are of course going to try and avoid the police. Using that reality to suggest that it is open to debate whether police are more harmful than bikie gangs is quite silly.
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I think you are denying reality in your post - My last sentence never stated police were better or worse than other criminal elements - My last sentence is showing that for the police to do their job, they need to be side by side with criminal elements - That's why informers ( who are actually criminals ) are an important part of police work - To solve one criminal issue, you need to let another one pass - It's quite possible that at times Police have supported the wrong 'informers' but it happens - Then the next step above is the criminal justice system in which deals are made every day of the week for better or worse - Finally I suggest you watch series like Blue Murder or Underbelly or read similar books or read excerpts from past Royal Commissions to see Police were front and centre of criminal enterprises.
 
yaco55 said:
I think you are denying reality in your post - My last sentence never stated police were better or worse than other criminal elements - My last sentence is showing that for the police to do their job, they need to be side by side with criminal elements - That's why informers ( who are actually criminals ) are an important part of police work - To solve one criminal issue, you need to let another one pass - It's quite possible that at times Police have supported the wrong 'informers' but it happens - Then the next step above is the criminal justice system in which deals are made every day of the week for better or worse - Finally I suggest you watch series like Blue Murder or Underbelly or read similar books or read excerpts from past Royal Commissions to see Police were front and centre of criminal enterprises.
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Yac, I think it was this line more than the one you refer to that people (well I know I did ) found incredulous:

"Whether Police are as bad or worse than bikie gangs is open to debate"

It really isn't.
 
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The problem with shows like underbelly is it makes it seem like that kind of corruption is common place throughout the force.

It isn't.
 
boncer34 said:
The problem with shows like underbelly is it makes it seem like that kind of corruption is common place throughout the force.

It isn't.
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It also makes the crims out to be more glamorous than they really are. Most of them are just nasty campaigners.
 

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