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This may give you a smile sr6, bullengarook voting place there was 1 yes and no campaigner respectively. They were getting along like old mates, discussing sponge recipes
The sad reality is that unless the Yes and No How to Vote campaigners were of first nations people, then the vote didn't really affect them - no reason for them not to get along, as the Voice would have had little to no impact to there lives - very sad day for the 3% of Australians that the Voice had a real meaning for.
 

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Arguably the whole initiative was symbolic given that the Voice is an advisory body.

Could have achieved recognition in the constitution and legislated a Voice type body. A vastly preferable outcome to what we have now.

Looking at this train-wreck there were so many ways Albo and the ALP could have responded, even way back in June... but they chose not to. Spectacular own goal.
The Uluṟu statement is clear that constitutional recognition is bound to a voice to parliament. Albo put forward the proposal as intended by the people who created it.
 
Didn’t you just say the nation was divided but blamed it all on the No side?
The no campaign created the idea of a divided nation if the yes vote succeeded.
The concept is not about people disagreeing on big footy. It’s about an Indigenous advisory group somehow having the power to divide a nation.

How do you think they would be able to do that?
 
What nonsense! A third chamber?? That myth still has legs?

If the supposed “legal risk” doesn’t worry the Solicitor-General, why does it worry you?
Here’s a snippet of the treaty section in the statement

Treaty would be the vehicle to achieve self determination, autonomy and self government

Could you be so kind to explain to us what the self government means?
 
He’s and some of the others are just nit picking. You’ll leave out a full stop and he’ll jump on it

Needs to move on from their disappointment
Why move on? I hope people keep talking about this for a long time.
 
Arguably the whole initiative was symbolic given that the Voice is an advisory body.

Could have achieved recognition in the constitution and legislated a Voice type body. A vastly preferable outcome to what we have now.

Looking at this train-wreck there were so many ways Albo and the ALP could have responded, even way back in June... but they chose not to. Spectacular own goal.
Why do we blame the politicians? Australians voted, many it seems, voted for something they didn't understand, those that did, seemed to accept Trump like falsehoods and outright lies rather than take the time to understand what was proposed and apply a systematic approach to information gathering and critical thinking - I am yet to meet a No voter who has read the wording of the proposed constitution change - most I have spoken to, whilst spending countless hours on-line, simply rely on Social Media for "information".

For the first time in my life, I'm ashamed to be an Australian. Not sure how I can stand with those 60% who were too untrusting, lazy, scared, ignorant, racist or preferred to put political gain before helping those people that our fore-father's and us have done so much to ensure are systematically disadvantaged.

How can we have an Indigenous Round of football, when we can't even put out a helping hand to our fellow Australians?
 
Save you a bit of time Gouk

Self-government is a system in which the citizens of a country (or smaller political unit, such as a state) rule themselves and control their own affairs. Self-governments are free from external government
 
From the Uluṟu statement website. This meant a bit more than mere symbolism.


A Week of Silence for the Voice

Recognition in the Constitution of the descendants of the original and continuing owners of Australia would have been a great advance for Australians. Alas, the majority have rejected it.

This is a bitter irony. That people who have only been on this continent for 235 years would refuse to recognise those whose home this land has been for 60,000 and more years is beyond reason.

It was never in the gift of these newcomers to refuse recognition to the true owners of Australia. The referendum was a chance for newcomers to show a long-refused grace and gratitude and to acknowledge that the brutal dispossession of our people underwrote their every advantage in this country.

For more than six years, we have explained to our nation why the Voice was our great hope to achieve real change for our families and communities.

To the Australians who supported us in this vote - we thank you sincerely. You comprise many millions of Australians of love and goodwill. We know you wanted a better future for Australia, and to put the colonial past behind us by choosing belated recognition and justice.

We thank the Prime Minister and his government for having the conviction to take this referendum to the Australian people at our request. We thank him for his advocacy and all parliamentarians who did the same, including members of the Teals, Greens, Nationals and independents who stood by us. We pay particular respect to the Liberal parliamentarians who bravely advocated for the Voice.

We also thank our fellow Australians from all sectors of the community, including multicultural, faith, professional, business, creative and sporting organisations. To the hundreds of thousands who took to the streets, knocked on doors and made over a million phone calls, thank you for your love and support.

Our deep chagrin at this result does not in any way diminish our pride and gratefulness for the stand they had the moral courage to take in this cause now lost. We know we have them by our side in the ongoing cause for justice and fairness in our own land.

Now is not the time to dissect the reasons for this tragic outcome. This will be done in the weeks, years and decades to come. Now is the time for silence, to mourn and deeply consider the consequence of this outcome.

Much will be asked about the role of racism and prejudice against Indigenous people in this result. The only thing we ask is that each and every Australian who voted in this election reflect hard on this question.

To our people we say: do not shed tears. This rejection was never for others to issue.

The truth is that rejection was always ours to determine. The truth is that we offered this recognition and it has been refused. We now know where we stand in this our own country.


Always was. Always will be.

We will not rest long. Pack up the Uluru Statement from the Heart. Fly our flags low.

Talk not of recognition and reconciliation. Only of justice and the rights of our people in our own country. Things that no one else can gift us, but to which we are entitled by fact that this is the country of our birth and inheritance.

Regather our strength and resolve, and when we determine a new direction for justice and our rights, let us once again unite. Let us convene in due course to carefully consider our path forward.

We are calling A Week of Silence from tonight (Saturday 14th October) to grieve this outcome and reflect on its meaning and significance. We will not be commenting further on the result at this time.

We will be lowering our Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander flags to half-mast for the week of silence to acknowledge this result.”



We ask others to do the same.
 

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What we have triggered is those indigenous who have radical views to take a stronger stand.
These are the ones who don’t want reconciliation, but they want recognition that the land was stolen and that land to be returned.
There’s a particular senator that has this viewpoint and has been vocal in the No campaign to make sure she can further that cause.
Agree, the International Court has ruled that Indigenous Peoples have rights - if the No Campaigners feared the consultative approach adopted by the Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders, then wait for Reconciliation by Arbitration - there's now a clear precedent that the Australian people do not want to consult.
 
Here’s a snippet of the treaty section in the statement

Treaty would be the vehicle to achieve self determination, autonomy and self government

Could you be so kind to explain to us what the self government means?
Where was that in the referendum? You’re wetting the bed over something that wasn’t proposed
 
Here’s a snippet of the treaty section in the statement

Treaty would be the vehicle to achieve self determination, autonomy and self government

Could you be so kind to explain to us what the self government means?
It's pretty straight forward DB. The divide the country argument is ridiculous, as the country is already divided. There's vast chunks of the country that you need a permit to enter which have communities that are currently governed by a combination of Aboriginal lore with the Australian Government able to sweep in to impose Australian laws when they choose. Many Aboriginal people ultimately want to self govern these communities without the government of the day coming up with "solutions", because there is a very understandable distrust of the Australian Government.
 
Where was that in the referendum? You’re wetting the bed over something that wasn’t proposed
Drought Break - not sure where you got that statement from, but it wasn't part of the proposed wording change to the Constitution. The word Treaty simply does not appear in the proposal. You, like so many, have been sold a pup - pls take some time to look at the proposed wording and then consider more reliable sources of information before making decision that affect us all.
 
Drought Break - not sure where you got that statement from, but it wasn't part of the proposed wording change to the Constitution. The word Treaty simply does not appear in the proposal. You, like so many, have been sold a pup - pls take some time to look at the proposed wording and then consider more reliable sources of information before making decision that affect us all.
I posted the full Uluṟu statement earlier

You can believe it’s just the one page if you wish. Why write the whole statement then if it’s only 1 page. What a waste of time for the drafters
 
Already mentioned where it was. And if anyone’s wetting the bed and having little kid tantrums it’s you.
You’ve shown how easily seemingly intelligent people can be misled by lies.
 
I posted the full Uluṟu statement earlier

You can believe it’s just the one page if you wish. Why write the whole statement then if it’s only 1 page. What a waste of time for the drafters
This is such a huge insult to the people who gave so much for this cause. Really poor.
 
I posted the full Uluṟu statement earlier

You can believe it’s just the one page if you wish. Why write the whole statement then if it’s only 1 page. What a waste of time for the drafters
Apologies for mis-interpreting - if you didn't want the Voice, then you are right to be concerned about a treaty. The more radical elements of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander community have been given what they wanted, a platform for arbitration and anarchy, and after failing in their attempt at consultation, many more Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are likely to be radicalized - be careful what you wish for.
 
Apologies for mis-interpreting - if you didn't want the Voice, then you are right to be concerned about a treaty. The more radical elements of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander community have been given what they wanted, a platform for arbitration and anarchy, and after failing in their attempt at consultation, many more Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are likely to be radicalized - be careful what you wish for.
We will have a treaty in Victoria. Other states will follow.
 
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