You mean Labor announced $5-7 billion worth of railway, costed on a beer coaster over lunch at the old brewery... sold it for 2 billion and will no doubt get a bunch of bites from the 5%'ers.
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You mean Labor announced $5-7 billion worth of railway, costed on a beer coaster over lunch at the old brewery... sold it for 2 billion and will no doubt get a bunch of bites from the 5%'ers.
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I mean no such thing.
Labour has always said it would cost $300 million more to build Burswood stadium and now Labour is saying that they will save $300 million on construction costs. Burswood was always going to cost more for the stadium build.
IMO $300 million seems very high but that's what Labour says.
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The value is in the $300 million saving on construction costs.
Trains ? Nice if barnett bought some more carriages just for starters.
Delays ? Haven't you noticed but nobody has started so how can there be delays.?
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Labour's claim is false. The original report estimated the cost of the stadium at Subiaco at just under 1 billion and Burswood at 1.25 billion. So yes, the original plan for Burswood was was $300 million dearer. But, the planing work that has gone into the Burswood stadium has got the cost down to around $1 billion ($700 million for the building and $300 for the transport upgrades). Roughly equal to the original cheapest options. Now Labour have shifted the goal posts and have cut back another $300 million. They must somehow think that the transport in Subiaco doesn't need upgrading.
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Labour said the "multi-purpose" aspect was costed at $300 million.
Labour said that Burswood would cost an extra $300 million in construction.
IMO both parties aren't being upfront.
In simple terms KP is going to cost less for the same stadium for the same construction.
KP is not going to require some of additional infrastructure of Burswood like a pedestrian bridge.
So it's really a no-brainer when it comes down to cost.
I have question.
If the stadium is built at KP the implication is that the WAFC will be happy but KP is not Subiaco.
They would require a lease for KP just like they have for Subiaco.
SO, if it's not a problem to re-jig Subiaco as KP then why can't Burswood be on the same footing?
(That's lease-wise, i'm talking)
So for those advocating the KP plan, I suppose you'll be the first members to raise your hand and give up your membership when half of Subiaco is torn down 
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Basically. A new stadium is obviously well overdue. But what's the point in clean facilities and leg room if you're waiting an hour for a train? Because the absolute clusterfuark of Subi/West Leedy stations is bad enough currently. Labor are moronic and undercutting the benefit of a new stadium if they put their fingers in their ears and say transport's sufficient. It basically isn't.
My family is traditionally Labor. But I'd be voting Liberal simply because a footy ground is what I think Perth needs most. Selfish, probably. But the train and bus services in Perth aren't that awful.
When was the last time you went to Subi?
Getting to the footy is easy. Everyone rocks up at different times, so there's no congestion issues at all. Getting out, though, is nothing other than amateur. Regardless of whether you go to West Leedy or Subiaco station, you'll be waiting on packed platforms. The first few trains that go past are usually too crowded to even think about jumping on. When you've waited 20 minutes to jump on one, it's still pretty packed.
I'm not one to complain about the specifics. And it really isn't the end of the world. But you compare it to the other footy grounds in Australia. It's much, much less time consuming than going home from Subi.
And that's with 40,000ish thousand at the footy. Basically doubling the demand for public transport is going to require a huuuuge overhaul of the train system.
For the price of doing that, you might as well go to Burswood. And with Burswood you get the waterfront project. Any new development in Perth, especially one built for tourism, culture, and reinvigoration, is absolutely good for the city and state. After getting to know somewhere other than Freo last year (Curtin Uni in East Vic Park, basically), the location of the new stadium is pretty great. It's basically central. It doesn't have the nice vibe or leafiness of Subiaco, but if it's even like Southbank in Melbourne, that's cool – all people want is somewhere non-scungy to get a beer, plenty of options for food, places to go afterwards, and good transport. Burswood can give Perthians that.
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I go there fortnightly. It used to be weekly.
So Subiaco needs an upgrade.
Well for starters you could put on more carriages.
Barnett has refused to buy more carriages that are desperately need before anything else.
I agree with you that the stadium is long and my vote depends on a new stadium being built.
I'll wait to see exactly what Labor are proposing.
Barnett had a great opportunity to lock the new football stadium in but he wasted so much time over issue of stadium control that we could've had contracts signed by now. Now it's just part of an election platform and we all know what happens to election platforms after an election - the train doesn't come in.
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Wrong. Five trains come in. The first two are out of service, the next couple are packed, and the the last one you just manage to squeeze on.
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lol. Outed as a massive trog long ago, but you keep on bringing the lols.
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Obviously. They have committed to 20 years of railway upgrades with MetroNet.
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Some interesting designs from the failed finalists of the new Japanese National Stadium in Tokyo.
Zaha Hadid mob won with some Stingray looking crap.
Some of the proposals are using a proper moveable ground tier for multipurpous flexibility like Etihad, ANZ Stad and Stad de France. While others are mearly using a minor telescopic seating to add another 5/8 rows of seats as a cheaper alternative to the former and the same a such proposed by the current Perth Stadium brief (rubbish solution that they shouldn't even bother with)
Zaha Hadid mob won with some Stingray looking crap.
Some of the proposals are using a proper moveable ground tier for multipurpous flexibility like Etihad, ANZ Stad and Stad de France. While others are mearly using a minor telescopic seating to add another 5/8 rows of seats as a cheaper alternative to the former and the same a such proposed by the current Perth Stadium brief (rubbish solution that they shouldn't even bother with)
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What politican said that?
Once MetroNet is complete in the next three terms which is what it would take to plan and build, then things like line duplication and comprehensive station upgrades would need to come into effect to ensure the system doesn’t break down and suffer from Sydney syndrome. Especially along the Midland and Joondalup lines.
But you have NFI so what’s the bother.
Scheduling a train set to meet a peak on out of business hours must be a tough gig. Surely you dont need to buy more carriages to meet a footy peak?
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It's easy to comprehend that some people have given up being discerning and using their logical instincts actually for believing (or hoping) politician's promises.
Did you see today that the contracts are drawn for Riverside Drive. Where stuck with Barnett's folly.
He couldn't go and sign the contracts for the stadium could he. He's had plenty of time tomsign contracts and lock it all in. No . Now we're talking about railways or the the lack of them when we don't have enough carriages to serve the current demand. We're the boom state in the best performing country in the world but the media says we'll be downgraded if the deficiet gets any worse.
You still think we're going to get a state-of-the-art stadium with decent capacity on shedule??
Looking pretty dim to me.
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You're a bit hard to follow Cos.
Are you suggesting that Colin Barnett won't build the stadium after all? That if he wins the election the Monday morning he'll just turn around and cancel the whole thing?
Are you suggesting that Colin Barnett won't build the stadium after all? That if he wins the election the Monday morning he'll just turn around and cancel the whole thing?
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Maybe people should stop trying to read too much into what I say.
Where do I suggest that?
That could be a possibility since you brought it up but I doubt it.
He did admit to the Ellenbrook railway being a broken promise.
No, IMO, the like scenario is that the project will be delayed and run down.
We have already seen Barnett wind down the big picture of the Eastern Gateway, light rail etc.
Maybe the pedestrian bridge will get dropped.
The extended capacity will never happen.
Remember this stadium was "promised" before the rush to buy railway election votes.
Something will be a broken promise or so slow on takeup that it's effectively the same.
There's mean a huge lead in to the Burswood stadium yet we we have no contracts signed like we do for Riverside Drive. Barnett doesn't not seem to be energetically promoting this stadium idea.
P.S. The Riverside Drive project basically puts the Citylink idea on hold so the CBD stadium could be built.
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I'm not sure I can share your pessimism. Construction is the last part of the process, you can't start building until you have the engineering drawings, you can't have them till the design has been chosen. Right now we're in between the end of the planning stage and inviting entries to the design competition. If Colin wins the election I expect that the design competition will be launched pretty soon after. In 6 months time we'll have a list of entries to choose from, a bit like what has just been posted above.
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That's obvious. Even you have to admit that Burswood is not the grand plan it started out to be.
Exactly my point. There's nothing stopping Labor canning the idea.
Barnett could have easily locked in the project with a little more effort.
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Whats he going to lock in though? We dont even have a design. Before we have a design we need to finish the soil testing.
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That's exactly my point.
If Barnett had tried a little harder we would have something to lock in.
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