Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry Current

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[passball]

I don’t know if she’s cognitively impaired or she’s had PTSD for 10 years, but either way she can’t seem to answer a simple straight question and that’s been evident from the 000 call where she could not (or refused) to answer some very simple questions, to the walkthrough on 12/9/14+5, all of her statements, and every interview she’s ever given to the media.


It’s hard to know if anything she’s ever said to police or to her friends or to the media has been true or accurate and imo she is a wholly unreliable witness.

If she doesn't know left or right get off the road.
How is she with GPS directions?

 

[31550]

From Benaroon Dr, if you turn left, there is a track that leads to the Kendall Cemetery access rd (off Albert St). From there you can go via the Kendall Forest Rd back to Batar Ck Rd, (past Cobb & Co rd) back to Benaroon Dr. Less than 10km trip.

In Mums Mazda?

 

[Lady O]

Why do a loop and not simply go BCR?
What benefit does she get going that route I wonder.....

Was she trying to hide the outward bound route on BCR intersection? Why?

The route goes through the forest.

 

[Lady O]

In Mums Mazda?

They are tracks, but passable. Because they are forestry and so close to settlements, the fire trails would need to be kept well graded.

Edit: This is a likely route. Cobb & Co/Batar ck rd circled.

 

[Kurve]

After hearing what was in those tapes does Jubelin think the FPs abuse is within normal parenting? Is he fine with the abuse heard?
Is Jubelin not rethinking that maybe he did have tunnel vision while wearing rose coloured glasses? Apparently not.
Is he at all shocked by what he heard on the tapes, enough to step back from his support?
Is there a personal reason stopping him from thinking the untouchable FPs are guilty?

I'm confused why any supporter of the FPs are accepting of the FPS abuse and behaviour.

Too many people sleeping in the same bed IMO.

It's a shame because I really did have confidence in his ability when he took over.

I haven't heard Jubelin mention the convictions of criminal offences against a child.

Many who locked in behind supporting the fosters and the razzle dazzle of the Where's William PR machine's campaign, are glossing right over it.

Of course there's an argument that kicking, stalking and intimidation of a child isn't evidence towards what happened to William but it is a real turn off and raises questions about whether William was a victim of abuse and if the FM was lying about how he got a black eye.

 

[passball]

I can only speak for myself but I’m not a FP supporter. I want the truth and don’t accept/condone any abuse of the FD or anyone else by the FP’s.
Although the abuse might be a red flag it doesn’t mean FM is guilty of dumping William in the bush. Thousands of children are removed from their homes from both parents and even foster parents for abuse each year. It doesn’t mean they would cover a death up (we know some have.) Maybe FM is guilty. I don’t know.

I think there is a cover up. If you are innocent you would say that you had looked everywhere and took a drive. It should have come out of her mouth when they asked where she had searched.
That info wouldn't come out days later if it actually was days later.
She's done a great job distracting the Police with her lies, they are digging up her narrative.

 

[jason_recliner]

I thought Jubelin was a positive step when he was put on this case but I think it ended up being a huge negative.
He did the wrong thing, he assumed. He assumed the FPS couldn't be responsible for William missing. He got too close to the FPS, too close to keep them as POIs.

He bugged them.

 

[passball]

I haven't heard Jubelin mention the convictions of criminal offences against a child.

Many who locked in behind supporting the fosters and the razzle dazzle of the Where's William PR machine, are glossing right over it.

Of course there's an argument that kicking, stalking and intimidation of a child isn't evidence towards what happened to William but it is a real turn off and raises questions about whether William was a victim of abuse and if the FM was lying about how he got a black eye.

He still can't distance himself from the FPS.
He failed because he's biased.

 

[passball]

He bugged them.

And then they were bugged again.
How did that turn out?

 

[31550]

I think there is a cover up. If you are innocent you would say that you had looked everywhere and took a drive. It should have come out of her mouth when they asked where she had searched.
That info wouldn't come out days later if it actually was days later.
She's done a great job distracting the Police with her lies, they are digging up her narrative.

They seem to be making progress but it's been ten years. It's too late to be asking a lot of these questions now. Too easy to say "I don't remember".
So many potential red flags were just ignored.

Black eyes.
Hand injuries.
Deleted texts.
Phone calls unanswered within minutes of making a call.
Cars suddenly remembered, days later.
Drive down BCR not mentioned until days later.
Shoes on or off?
How many for breakfast.
Unlocked high balcony.
FF goes out alone.

All of these things were just ignored or accepted on face value. Nothing was actually investigated.

 

[Awakening]

My thinking is that she drove straight past. Peter the T didn't notice because he seems distracted by cars stopping. She drove past, notice him. Went 10 min away to hide in virgin bush. Outside search zone still winin parameters for total trip.

Why do you keep saying virgin bush? Maybe it was slutty bush?

 

[Awakening]

Cadaver scent is detectable to humans after 24 - 48 hrs and intensifies hitting peak intensity day 4 to 10. The location was checked by cadaver dogs the following day. I simply do not accept that feral animals is a reasonable explanation. Not when people and dogs were searching.

Pigs can eat a human. But on what i read there is usually something left. Then you have the suit. Did they carry that away too?

The suggestion doesn't work

His remains could very easily have been taken by foxes.

 

[passball]

They seem to be making progress but it's been ten years. It's too late to be asking a lot of these questions now. Too easy to say "I don't remember".
So many potential red flags were just ignored.

Black eyes.
Hand injuries.
Deleted texts.
Phone calls unanswered within minutes of making a call.
Cars suddenly remembered, days later.
Drive down BCR not mentioned until days later.
Shoes on or off?
How many for breakfast.
Unlocked high balcony.
FF goes out alone.

All of these things were just ignored or accepted on face value. Nothing was actually investigated.

All this above.

Then you have the truckie coming forward within a week but it wasn't the truckie with the semi trailer than gave her a wave.
Peter didn't say he waved at her, or anybody and I'm pretty that he would remember that a week later.

 

[Underarrest_]

I think there is a cover up. If you are innocent you would say that you had looked everywhere and took a drive. It should have come out of her mouth when they asked where she had searched.
That info wouldn't come out days later if it actually was days later.
She's done a great job distracting the Police with her lies, they are digging up her narrative.

You’re possibly right.
If FM has done this and continued with a 10 year campaign ‘where’s William,’ I hope she and anyone else who might have known is punished accordingly.

 

[passball]

Were any of the FMs sibling coming to visit the FGM that day? Does anyone know?

 

[Lady O]

Why do you keep saying virgin bush? Maybe it was slutty bush?

You can't ride a horse through the virgin bush around there. Probably can't walk through it either.

 

[Wallace52]

He still can't distance himself from the FPS.
He failed because he's biased.

He gave the foster mother a nice big hug at the recent inquest. In public.

 

[passball]

You’re possibly right.
If FM has done this and continued with a 10 year campaign ‘where’s William,’ I hope she and anyone else who might have known is punished accordingly.

I can also say if my kid was missing I WOULD NOT cook dinner, drink wine, and go to bed.
I would do an all nighter until i dropped.
I wonder if I'm the odd one out here.

 

[Lady O]

You can't ride a horse through the virgin bush around there. Probably can't walk through it either.

 

[Underarrest_]

I can also say if my kid was missing I WOULD NOT cook dinner, drink wine, and go to bed.
I would do an all nighter until i dropped.
I wonder if I'm the odd one out here.

You’re probably not the odd one out.
I would have thought neighbours might have dropped food in but maybe they didn’t.

 

[Wallace52]

He still can't distance himself from the FPS.
He failed because he's biased.

Gary’s brand is “I catch killers”.

It wouldn’t do to have the most obvious one slip through the cracks. Would it?

Best if she’s just an innocent victim.

 

[Wallace52]

You’re possibly right.
If FM has done this and continued with a 10 year campaign ‘where’s William,’ I hope she and anyone else who might have known is punished accordingly.

I know what you’re saying but it’s not Clare or Alice’s fault if they didn’t know.

IMO

And in fairness, both the original chief investigator and Jubelin cleared her and her husband.
So why would the Collins ladies have any reason to suspect anything apart from that the FM told them ?

 

[Underarrest_]

I know what you’re saying but it’s not Clare or Alice’s fault if they didn’t know.

IMO

Agree I’m sure they weren’t aware.
Was referring to if FF knows.

 

[Wallace52]

Agree I’m sure they weren’t aware.
Was referring to if FF knows.

Oh….. gotcha.

 

[Wallace52]

I can also say if my kid was missing I WOULD NOT cook dinner, drink wine, and go to bed.
I would do an all nighter until i dropped.
I wonder if I'm the odd one out here.

I don’t know how they could eat knowing he was out there in the cold wearing that thin super hero costume. If he really was “little boy lost” he would have died that night even if he was alive when he left that house that morning. IMO. He had asthma also so what chance did he have out in the elements?

How could you eat and drink wine?

What gets me emotional is that his bio family were not allowed to go and join in the search.

I would imagine they would have left no stone unturned: I would if it was my child. I wouldn’t retire for bed. I would not give up searching.