Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * Coroners Inquiry Current

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[Lady O]

I don't think I have suggested anywhere IMO that there was an abduction.

I said the suspects that were conveniently suggested by the FGM have led to be wrong. And resulted in a lot of time wasting for the investigation.
I am suggesting the present line of investigation will also lead nowhere.

It was the FM who suggested abduction if I recall correctly.

 

[stormbird]

There's been a development in France in a missing persons case which has some elements similar to William's case. Last year in July, two-and-a-half-year-old Emile Soleil went missing from his grandparents' house in a village in the French Alps, one day after arriving for a holiday. A search in the days afterwards by police, soldiers, sniffer dogs, a helicopter and drones did not find him.

Yesterday it was announced that Emile's remains have now been found by a walker.

See Le Monde (English version) / AFP, 31 March 2024

 

[LRitz]

It was the FM who suggested abduction if I recall correctly.

But who said the neighbour was very suspicious? Must have been the FGM. The fosters all jumped on the abduction distraction.
And there is still the coincidence that FGM organised the repair of the washing machine just before the family visit.

 

[Wallace52]

There's been a development in France in a missing persons case which has some elements similar to William's case. Last year in July, two-and-a-half-year-old Emile Soleil went missing from his grandparents' house in a village in the French Alps, one day after arriving for a holiday. A search in the days afterwards by police, soldiers, sniffer dogs, a helicopter and drones did not find him.

Yesterday it was announced that Emile's remains have now been found by a walker.

See Le Monde (English version) / AFP, 31 March 2024

Omg

 

[LRitz]

There's been a development in France in a missing persons case which has some elements similar to William's case. Last year in July, two-and-a-half-year-old Emile Soleil went missing from his grandparents' house in a village in the French Alps, one day after arriving for a holiday. A search in the days afterwards by police, soldiers, sniffer dogs, a helicopter and drones did not find him.

Yesterday it was announced that Emile's remains have now been found by a walker.

See Le Monde (English version) / AFP, 31 March 2024

In the article it says:
..."Police on Thursday returned to the village, cordoning off the area and summoning 17 people including family members, neighbors and witnesses to re-enact the last moments before he went missing to try to solve the mystery...."

This would be an interesting exercise in the search for WT, as some people would have to be in two locations at the same time. FF eating toast and also at the tennis club at 8:50am.

 

[Wallace52]

But who said the neighbour was very suspicious? Must have been the FGM. The fosters all jumped on the abduction distraction.
And there is still the coincidence that FGM organised the repair of the washing machine just before the family visit.

Whatever happened, it wasn’t planned. IMO

There might have been an escalation of violence towards W and an increase in frustration toward him. Maybe.

He had a lot of injuries, some of them very obvious, and he had lost a lot of weight.

But not a planned homicide. Surely. The police certainly have never suggested this to the public or to the media so I don’t want to engage really with that idea right now.

 

[Wallace52]

In the article it says:
..."Police on Thursday returned to the village, cordoning off the area and summoning 17 people including family members, neighbors and witnesses to re-enact the last moments before he went missing to try to solve the mystery...."

This would be an interesting exercise in the search for WT, as some people would have to be in two locations at the same time. FF eating toast and also at the tennis club at 8:50am.

Yes, exactly!

What a great idea though by the police in the case of missing child Emile Soleil.

 

[LRitz]

Whatever happened, it wasn’t planned. IMO

But it is possible.
A few too many coincidences for my liking.

 

[31550]

My mistake, droids of course.
Does seem that lots of what they say is taken for fact or evidence. (Even among those present)

Absolutely: Jedi mind tricks.

• William and his sister loved visiting Nanna and Opa. (Because every toddler loves spending 4 hours in a car to visit strange old people who they have only seen a couple of times, where there is nothing to play with or do, ...).
• William didn't like climbing trees. "Put me down Mummy!, too high!" (He would never have climbed on the balcony).
• Everybody was happy. (Who said they weren't and why is this relevant?).
• McDonalds was a special treat. (Not just a quick and easy way to keep troublesome toddlers quiet).
• William wasn't a wanderer (would never have tried to run away).
• The semi trailer driver pulled over to let me by, and I waved at him.

These are just some of the unsolicited and unnecessary details provided. Nobody asked for them. Yet other details seem to be missing or sketchy or unknown:

• Any strange cars? No, no, no, no ..... but then later there were three cars, described in great detail.
• Was he wearing shoes? (No answer).
• How long's he been gone? Well, it could be 5, maybe 15 ...

 

[31550]

But who said the neighbour was very suspicious? Must have been the FGM. The fosters all jumped on the abduction distraction.
And there is still the coincidence that FGM organised the repair of the washing machine just before the family visit.

Yes FGM pointed to at least one neighbour as suspicious.
Once police moved from the 'lost boy' theory to 'possible abduction / foul play' theory, (and IMO they should have immediately pursued both these avenues of investigation in parallel), the standard practice is to start with the immediate 'family' and work outward.

It seems they skipped the fosters altogether and then moved to the bio family, and then moved onto visitors to the house, which included Spedding. It is still unclear to me why GO (and his close associate FA) were also not investigated along with Spedding and Savage. It seems Rupp never bothered to look into the GO phone call, and Jubelin only found out about it when he was well down the Spedding rabbit-hole.

The problem I have is they did not follow the Occam's Razor approach. Once it was no longer a missing persons case, but a possible death, they need to look at the most likely cause of death in toddlers. And the most common cause of accidental death of a toddler in a home situation is a fall. And looking at the property, the immediate and most obvious cause of death of a toddler is a fall from the high balcony. You can't miss it - it is staring you in the face.

Again, the accident/coverup scenario was not investigated until AFTER the 'lost' and 'abducted' scenarios had played out for some time. But an accident / coverup is far more likely given the situation and location in which it occurred, and the fact that the body has never been found.

Then ask who is to benefit from a cover-up scenario? Only the people who may be considered responsible for the accident. Obviously the fosters, but also the FGM who owned the property, and also FACS and Young Hope who signed off on the fosters as appropriate carers, and signed off on the property being safe etc. These people would all (consciously or unconciously) want to support the narrative that there was NO accident - it MUST have been something else such as an abduction (even though this is highly improbable). They would all WANT to believe there wasn't an accident, so they would all fall for the same Jedi mind tricks.

 

[Wallace52]

But it is possible.
A few too many coincidences for my liking.

No, I don’t think it’s possible.

who is to benefit from a cover-up scenario? Only the people who may be considered responsible for the accident. Obviously the fosters, but also the FGM who owned the property, and also FACS and Young Hope who signed off on the fosters as appropriate carers, and signed off on the property being safe etc.

Exactly. FACS/DOCS are in this up to their teeth.

They never should have approved the bulk visits of W and L to 48 B Drive as the balcony was not built to safety regulations and the house was unsafe for children.

 

[LRitz]

Yes FGM pointed to at least one neighbour as suspicious.
Once police moved from the 'lost boy' theory to 'possible abduction / foul play' theory, (and IMO they should have immediately pursued both these avenues of investigation in parallel), the standard practice is to start with the immediate 'family' and work outward.

It seems they skipped the fosters altogether and then moved to the bio family, and then moved onto visitors to the house, which included Spedding. It is still unclear to me why GO (and his close associate FA) were also not investigated along with Spedding and Savage. It seems Rupp never bothered to look into the GO phone call, and Jubelin only found out about it when he was well down the Spedding rabbit-hole.

The problem I have is they did not follow the Occam's Razor approach. Once it was no longer a missing persons case, but a possible death, they need to look at the most likely cause of death in toddlers. And the most common cause of accidental death of a toddler in a home situation is a fall. And looking at the property, the immediate and most obvious cause of death of a toddler is a fall from the high balcony. You can't miss it - it is staring you in the face.

Again, the accident/coverup scenario was not investigated until AFTER the 'lost' and 'abducted' scenarios had played out for some time. But an accident / coverup is far more likely given the situation and location in which it occurred, and the fact that the body has never been found.

Then ask who is to benefit from a cover-up scenario? Only the people who may be considered responsible for the accident. Obviously the fosters, but also the FGM who owned the property, and also FACS and Young Hope who signed off on the fosters as appropriate carers, and signed off on the property being safe etc. These people would all (consciously or unconciously) want to support the narrative that there was NO accident - it MUST have been something else such as an abduction (even though this is highly improbable). They would all WANT to believe there wasn't an accident, so they would all fall for the same Jedi mind tricks.

Yes. I get Occam's Razor.
Also common things occur commonly. Do you know the about horses and zebras? When you hear hoof beats think of horses first not zebras. Now all this is sort of true but in context. What if you were in Africa, then zebras or horses? White swans v black swans. I just saw a couple of black swans in Canberra. Not a white swan in sight.

First line of investigation is the common. But don't ignore the zebras or you will miss them.

 

[LRitz]

No, I don’t think it’s possible.

Not trying to be difficult, .....but why do think it is impossible? I think the aliens would be impossible.

Balconies dangerous. But so are some local park playgrounds. The balcony had been there for years and not doubt other children had visited with no previous falls.

 

[Wallace52]

Yes. I get Occam's Razor.
Also common things occur commonly. Do you know the about horses and zebras? When you hear hoof beats think of horses first not zebras. Now all this is sort of true but in context. What if you were in Africa, then zebras or horses? White swans v black swans. I just saw a couple of black swans in Canberra. Not a white swan in sight.

First line of investigation is the common. But don't ignore the zebras or you will miss them.

Zebras have all been accounted for, LRitz .

 

[Wallace52]

Not trying to be difficult, .....but why do think it is impossible? I think the aliens would be impossible.

Balconies dangerous. But so are some local park playgrounds. The balcony had been there for years and not doubt other children had visited with no previous falls.

If William’s death had been pre-meditated, then presumably there would be different charges sitting with the ODPP.

Right??

 

[LRitz]

Zebras have all been accounted for, LRitz .

I think there is still one on the loose IMO

 

[LRitz]

If William’s death had been pre-meditated, then presumably there would be different charges sitting with the ODPP.

Maybe the police got it wrong. Possible?
Even Vera sometimes chases the wrong lead in the beginning. She is right in the end but then that is TV drama for you - always a neat resolution and answers, but may not work out in real life.

 

[Wallace52]

I think there is still one on the loose IMO

I was actually quite suss of that petrol station attendant, the one who was charged with sex offences and didn’t cooperate with police when asked about William.

Remember? I think he had some sort of reported intellectual impairment?

Moo

 

[LRitz]

I was actually quite suss of that petrol station attendant, the one who was charged with sex offences and didn’t cooperate with police when asked about William.

What about the FF. Not much cooperation from him when asked about the deleted phone messages. I think his answers were along the lines of "I don't recall"

 

[Wallace52]

What about the FF. Not much cooperation from him when asked about the deleted phone messages. I think his answers were along the lines of "I don't recall"

Yeah, I know.

He’s obstinate, in my opinion. Some people may call this a combative witness. And yet he is not a suspect or a person of interest, is he.

IMO

 

[31550]

Yeah, I know.

He’s obstinate. And yet he is not a suspect or a person of interest, is he.

IMO

I don't think he's smart enough to be part of any successful conspiracy.

 

[Wallace52]

I don't think he's smart enough to be part of any successful conspiracy.

No, he’s not. I don’t think he knows what’s happened to William.

And I honestly believe he cared about William.

Moo

 

[31550]

No, he’s not. I don’t think he knows what’s happened to William.

And I honestly believe he cared about William.

Moo

Yeah maybe in his own weird way. His stories about William ring true. Hers don't.

 

[Wallace52]

Yeah maybe in his own weird way. His stories about William ring true. Hers don't.

From the outside it seems like the FF and William had a bond and there wasn’t really much of a maternal bond between the FM and William but there was a bond between FM and William’s sister.

Jmo

 

[Lady O]

But who said the neighbour was very suspicious? Must have been the FGM. The fosters all jumped on the abduction distraction.
And there is still the coincidence that FGM organised the repair of the washing machine just before the family visit.

Are you alluding to the FGM being the reason for his disappearance?