Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[31550]

Does anyone else think that the flower container has been moved. Look at the shadow of the verandah post and position of the legs. You should be able to see the purple flowers. It has been reported in the newspaper that this photo was taken the very next day.
View attachment 2136785

 

[Lady O]

I know this is not that important but why was there a towel hanging over William’s bike handlebars? Wonder when that photo was taken and by whom ?

To stop birds from pooping on them.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I have maintained that 9.40 to 10.20 isn't enough time for a fatal accident and aftermath. Likewise for an alleged manslaughter/ siblicide. Not all agree.

• She would have enlisted husband help. Didn't
• She would have waited to clearly decide death. Didn't
• She would have taken time to contemplate risk of hiding and where. Didn't.
• She would have delayed reporting. Most always do. Didn't

From a witness statement / Behavioural perspective their reaction (especially hers) includes all the elements you expect from a parent driven by concern for welfare of a MISSING child. Please please return him. Please please don't harm him. Sentiment all there in that YouTube link post 2536 by stormbird. So behaviours compatible with abduction.

At the save time there have been behaviours entirely indicative of storytelling AND deception. The FGM walk through hiding something about FF whereabouts imo. And 8 to 9 time. The constant storytelling that it was happy and they were perfect parents. The fake memories of cars in the street that weren't seen by others.

Let's look at possible explanations on what we now know. They were lying about it being happy and then being wonderful parents because they were dysfunctional often abusive parents. Explained. What we still don't know is why the lies about the cars. That type of behaviour can be consciousness of guilt misdirection. Possible. But if so their reaction to him being missing would be different. I conclude that the alleged fabricated cars was to hide their behaviour in negligence knowing that it had led to an actual abduction and also led to a shortened search and earlier than usual reporting.

We are not being told something by guilt of some form. Perhaps it was negligent conduct around why he went missing. Too lax in watching. An argument that forced him to run off or be left somewhere. Something that creates guilt but not for direct involvement AND forces them to push an abduction scenario report earlier..At the same time the deception likely relates to the car trip 1.3 klm which was way too far for 5 minutes not watching and confirms they are hiding something burdening their guilt

 

[truecrimepath]

Does anyone else think the pot has been moved. Look at the shadow of the verandah post and legs. Why was it moved? To get more sun? Change of season. The purple flowers should be visible if as has been stated that these photos were taken the very next day

.

 

[truecrimepath]

• She would have waited to clearly decide death. Didn't
• She would have taken time to contemplate risk of hiding and where. Didn't.
• She would have delayed reporting. Most always do. Didn't

This is the bit I agree with. The timing is simply wrong for a fall from the verandah. It is just too tight.

 

[Lady O]

Does anyone else think the pot has been moved. Look at the shadow of the verandah post and legs. Why was it moved? To get more sun? Change of season. The purple flowers should be visible if as has been stated that these photos were taken the very next day

.View attachment 2136787

It hasn't been moved. It's just that the photo was taken from a different position.

 

[truecrimepath]

It hasn't been moved. It's just that the photo was taken from a different position.

Look at the shadow of the verandah post. Not possible with this photo. It has been rotated 120 degrees anticlockwise to get the shadow at that position.

 

[truecrimepath]

I have maintained that 9.40 to 10.20 isn't enough time for a fatal accident and aftermath. Likewise for an alleged manslaughter/ siblicide. Not all agree.

• She would have enlisted husband help. Didn't
• She would have waited to clearly decide death. Didn't
• She would have taken time to contemplate risk of hiding and where. Didn't.
• She would have delayed reporting. Most always do. Didn't

From a witness statement / Behavioural perspective their reaction (especially hers) includes all the elements you expect from a parent driven by concern for welfare of a MISSING child. Please please return him. Please please don't harm him. Sentiment all there in that YouTube link post 2536 by stormbird. So behaviours compatible with abduction.

At the save time there have been behaviours entirely indicative of storytelling AND deception. The FGM walk through hiding something about FF whereabouts imo. And 8 to 9 time. The constant storytelling that it was happy and they were perfect parents. The fake memories of cars in the street that weren't seen by others.

Let's look at possible explanations on what we now know. They were lying about it being happy and then being wonderful parents because they were dysfunctional often abusive parents. Explained. What we still don't know is why the lies about the cars. That type of behaviour can be consciousness of guilt misdirection. Possible. But if so their reaction to him being missing would be different. I conclude that the alleged fabricated cars was to hide their behaviour in negligence knowing that it had led to an actual abduction and also led to a shortened search and earlier than usual reporting.

We are not being told something by guilt of some form. Perhaps it was negligent conduct around why he went missing. Too lax in watching. An argument that forced him to run off or be left somewhere. Something that creates guilt but not for direct involvement AND forces them to push an abduction scenario report earlier..At the same time the deception likely relates to the car trip 1.3 klm which was way too far for 5 minutes not watching and confirms they are hiding something burdening their guilt

Think about this scenario. It is completely hypothetical.

Stop at rest area between Heatherbrae and Kendall. William mucks up. He is belted in head by FP.
Taken to Kendall. Dies during night from extradural haemorrhage. Discovered dead the next morning by FP, 5.30/6 am. WS in different room, she is unaware he is dead.

Abduction theory formulated.
FF disposes of body, leaving for meeting before 8AM for a 20 minute drive for a meeting at 9.30 am. FGM walkthrough.
FM concocts photos at 7.30 am for the purpose of staging. Proof of life photo to provide alibis for FF.
Photos taken from GFM computer. She is experienced at photoshop.

This scenario explains the aberrant timeline.
It explains the photos and the discrepancy in them is explained.
Explains the FF travel discrepancy that morning.

It explains why they are devastated, they did not mean to kill him.

 

[stormbird]

"Top William Tyrrell cop left 19 unsolved cases to ‘gather dust’", news.com.au, 10 Oct 2024

https://www.news.com.au/national/cr...t/news-story/17c06dfd1fb56ffff3a663ef1f5b7142

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Think about this scenario. It is completely hypothetical.

Stop at rest area between Heatherbrae and Kendall. William mucks up. He is belted in head by FP.
Taken to Kendall. Dies during night from extradural haemorrhage. Discovered dead the next morning by FP, 5.30/6 am. WS in different room, she is unaware he is dead.

Abduction theory formulated.
FF disposes of body, leaving for meeting before 8AM for a 20 minute drive for a meeting at 9.30 am. FGM walkthrough.
FM concocts photos at 7.30 am for the purpose of staging. Proof of life photo to provide alibis for FF.
Photos taken from GFM computer. She is experienced at photoshop.

This scenario explains the aberrant timeline.
It explains the photos and the discrepancy in them is explained.
Explains the FF travel discrepancy that morning.

It explains why they are devastated, they did not mean to kill him.

Ok. But the missing pieces are that FD was asked about how WT went missing. Answer: "He went off balcony in search of FF" or similar

It also ignores 2 neighbours hearing children playing before and after 9. You say they are wrong or created false memory. I question that especially when one corroborates the other and FD corroborates both.

FD wouldn't have known 7.30 v 8.30. So maybe most of events as described happened but much earlier. But it still doesn't explain what neighbours heard and it should. Unless of course what they heard was after WT was taken away by FF and it was one child not two. Mistaken.

There is conjecture about sequence especially the bike riding. Breakfast was after the bike rides supposedly. So too the verandah. But they aren't dressed like that on the verandah shots. FD still wearing dressing gown. Seems wrong

 

[31550]

Think about this scenario. It is completely hypothetical.

Stop at rest area between Heatherbrae and Kendall. William mucks up. He is belted in head by FP.
Taken to Kendall. Dies during night from extradural haemorrhage. Discovered dead the next morning by FP, 5.30/6 am. WS in different room, she is unaware he is dead.

Abduction theory formulated.
FF disposes of body, leaving for meeting before 8AM for a 20 minute drive for a meeting at 9.30 am. FGM walkthrough.
FM concocts photos at 7.30 am for the purpose of staging. Proof of life photo to provide alibis for FF.
Photos taken from GFM computer. She is experienced at photoshop.

This scenario explains the aberrant timeline.
It explains the photos and the discrepancy in them is explained.
Explains the FF travel discrepancy that morning.

It explains why they are devastated, they did not mean to kill him.

How did the photos get on FGM computer? When were they taken? Using what camera? Why was FGM in slippers? Why were kids drawing, making cards? When were the family all in Kendall last? How do you explain the newly created drawings for Opa witnessed by Wendy Hudson? When was the other Spiderman suit purchased? Why did William's sister not notice William wasn't there at all? Why did neighbours report hearing multiple children's voices?

 

[truecrimepath]

How did the photos get on FGM computer? The same way any photo gets there, It was downloaded previously. Even Opa potentially could have taken them.

Why were the kids drawing? Really. Because that's what children do.
There is a photo of WT in the daily mail on his third birthday at FGM house. Have a look. 2/12 months earlier. Only partly explains the flower discrepancy. I think the flower bed is completely different. May not have been taken that season.

Newly created drawings. Really. Did William sign his name? The existence of drawings means nothing.

The rest has already been discussed ad nauseam. Have you got the FF purchase receipts for the last 10 years?

 

[Underarrest_]

I have maintained that 9.40 to 10.20 isn't enough time for a fatal accident and aftermath. Likewise for an alleged manslaughter/ siblicide. Not all agree.

• She would have enlisted husband help. Didn't
• She would have waited to clearly decide death. Didn't
• She would have taken time to contemplate risk of hiding and where. Didn't.
• She would have delayed reporting. Most always do. Didn't

From a witness statement / Behavioural perspective their reaction (especially hers) includes all the elements you expect from a parent driven by concern for welfare of a MISSING child. Please please return him. Please please don't harm him. Sentiment all there in that YouTube link post 2536 by stormbird. So behaviours compatible with abduction.

At the save time there have been behaviours entirely indicative of storytelling AND deception. The FGM walk through hiding something about FF whereabouts imo. And 8 to 9 time. The constant storytelling that it was happy and they were perfect parents. The fake memories of cars in the street that weren't seen by others.

Let's look at possible explanations on what we now know. They were lying about it being happy and then being wonderful parents because they were dysfunctional often abusive parents. Explained. What we still don't know is why the lies about the cars. That type of behaviour can be consciousness of guilt misdirection. Possible. But if so their reaction to him being missing would be different. I conclude that the alleged fabricated cars was to hide their behaviour in negligence knowing that it had led to an actual abduction and also led to a shortened search and earlier than usual reporting.

We are not being told something by guilt of some form. Perhaps it was negligent conduct around why he went missing. Too lax in watching. An argument that forced him to run off or be left somewhere. Something that creates guilt but not for direct involvement AND forces them to push an abduction scenario report earlier..At the same time the deception likely relates to the car trip 1.3 klm which was way too far for 5 minutes not watching and confirms they are hiding something burdening their guilt

Could William have been injured and FM has put him in the car to take him to hospital (thinking it’s not life threatening) but he’s stopped breathing so FM has panicked?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Speculation:

Play happened earlier. Photos taken. WT heard FF start car and wanted to go with him. Took off off verandah along front pathway and was hit by FF car at 8.20 say where it meets driveway. Concentrated dog scent at this point. Head knock. Gets up and is ok. But is bleeding in his head. FF leaves. FGM Freudian slip later about "bouncing out of his skull "

Progressively declines and by 9.20 is taken inside by FM ( who doesn't report it for fear of losing care) thinking he would recover, wrapping him in hot pink blanket in bed. Missing second blanket if one exists

Checks and realises he died, panics and uses FGM car to take him to cnr C & co & BC Rd hiding him there with blanket because she realises it should have been reported (negligence). No cadaver scent being less than 90 minutes. About 10.20 now. Abduction scam

The only issue is why WT wasn't found in initial searches there and IF they moved him to more secure site

Addendum :

It explains FGM obsession that FF and his car weren't there before 8 because they were how he died.

It explains that neighbours heard them play because they did

It explains FD comment about going after FF off balcony because he did and she remembers that

It explains why there was a concentration of dog scent in the driveway

It explains FM hesitation in call as to time he went missing....." Well we've been looking for 15 minutes" . She didn't give a time because she knew he was dead. Deception

It explains lack of cadaver scent less that 90 minutes post death

Make up a fake illogical reason for the 1.3 klm trip. To find a missing WT.

 

[truecrimepath]

"Top William Tyrrell cop left 19 unsolved cases to ‘gather dust’", news.com.au, 10 Oct 2024

https://www.news.com.au/national/cr...t/news-story/17c06dfd1fb56ffff3a663ef1f5b7142

There is no doubt the whole police investigation has been a dud. Every single one of them can be accused of tunnel vision. Rather than look at all the evidence clearly and precisely, they seem to form a theory and then try and prove it.

In science the opposite method is used. You form a theory and then try and disprove it.

 

[Underarrest_]

Think about this scenario. It is completely hypothetical.

Stop at rest area between Heatherbrae and Kendall. William mucks up. He is belted in head by FP.
Taken to Kendall. Dies during night from extradural haemorrhage. Discovered dead the next morning by FP, 5.30/6 am. WS in different room, she is unaware he is dead.

Abduction theory formulated.
FF disposes of body, leaving for meeting before 8AM for a 20 minute drive for a meeting at 9.30 am. FGM walkthrough.
FM concocts photos at 7.30 am for the purpose of staging. Proof of life photo to provide alibis for FF.
Photos taken from GFM computer. She is experienced at photoshop.

This scenario explains the aberrant timeline.
It explains the photos and the discrepancy in them is explained.
Explains the FF travel discrepancy that morning.

It explains why they are devastated, they did not mean to kill him.

It’s possible, there’s a reason the Coroner released those photos of the patio and at McDonalds.
The only thing is that if police are going with the theory of the balcony accident, they think William was there that morning. Why would FP’s stage the whole photo setup? They could have just said there was no photos, less to scrutinise.

 

[truecrimepath]

It’s possible, there’s a reason the Coroner released those photos of the patio and at McDonalds.
The only thing is that if police are going with the theory of the balcony accident, they think William was there that morning. Why would FP’s stage the whole photo setup? They could have just said there was no photos, less to scrutinise.

Hypothetical: To create an alibis for the FF who was disposing of his body at the time. They wanted to prove he was alive and at Kendall, when he was not.

When the photos of the balcony were released in 2019 by the coroner, I don't think they realised the photos could have been faked. It was in 2021 that the focus changed.

Staging often gets criminals caught in other cases.

 

[Underarrest_]

To stop birds from pooping on them.

I know it was quite cool there, but where I live we cover bikes to protect them from the heat.

 

[BFew]

Tried that, nothing.

There's definitely posts about teeth and dentists in that thread from my BF advanced search in it this morning.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Look at the shadow of the verandah post. Not possible with this photo. It has been rotated 120 degrees anticlockwise to get the shadow at that position.View attachment 2136797

The shape of the back verandah effectively forms a triangle to those two walls. The planter stand sits on one side of that triangle. Agree completely with Lady O. Not moved. Checked multiple shots.

 

[Underarrest_]

Port Macquarie Airport does flights to Bali and is only a 25 minute drive to Kendall.

They could have easily seen FGM on the way to or back home from their Bali trip.

FF is apparently frugal with money so perhaps it was cheaper to fly out or in at Port Macquarie airport?

Good reason to also call in and see FGM on the way back home.
Did William wear his new Spider-Man outfit in the plane back from Bali?

 

[truecrimepath]

The shape of the back verandah effectively forms a triangle to those two walls. The planter stand sits on one side of that triangle. Agree completely with Lady O. Not moved. Checked multiple shots.

Completely disagree, the verandah post shadow is not possible unless it has been moved. It's not a triangle, it's a square with a corner removed. This is a fact.

The problem is that you object to any evidence that counters your opinion even though you are obviously incorrect. I am undecided whether you just want to manipulate the thread to your own opinion. You have obviously pushed the idea prior that the photos were taken on the day.

Whether it be cloud cover, shadow direction, flowers, etc. Your response is always the same. You downplay without evidence and then over claim superior knowledge.

Need to be a little less obstinate and consider the images carefully.

Given that there is one shot provided by Michelle White in news that I found, please provide;

Checked multiple shots.

If you don't then I can assume you should be ignored as others have suggested to me. I would rather have a respectful mutually constructive analysis of the evidence.

 

[truecrimepath]

Good reason to also call in and see FGM on the way back home.
Did William wear his new Spider-Man outfit in the plane back from Bali?

How do you know conclusively when the suit was bought. Have you got receipts?

 

[Underarrest_]

How do you know conclusively when the suit was bought. Have you got receipts?

Unfortunately I don’t have receipts for the costume or privy to any other evidence. Just media reports it was his suit bought in Bali.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Completely disagree, the verandah post shadow is not possible unless it has been moved. It's not a triangle, it's a square with a corner removed. This is a fact.

The problem is that you object to any evidence that counters your opinion even though you are obviously incorrect. I am undecided whether you just want to manipulate the thread to your own opinion. You have obviously pushed the idea prior that the photos were taken on the day.

Whether it be cloud cover, shadow direction, flowers, etc. Your response is always the same. You downplay without evidence and then over claim superior knowledge.

Need to be a little less obstinate and consider the images carefully.

Given that there is one shot provided by Michelle White in news that I found, please provide;




If you don't then I can assume you should be ignored as others have suggested to me. I would rather have a respectful mutually constructive analysis of the evidence.

I don't object to contrary posts at all. No reason to. I don't have ownership of what's right or wrong. Science does which may or may not favour you. My view is it doesn't because there are too many assumptions and uncertainties in what you've posted some of which I've pointed out and some of which others have.

My personal observations is that you are way too defensive around your strategy more than once now with different posters.

I don't think a whole lot hinges on flowers or teeth or age milestones.

We arent even sure when Michele white took her photos . I do think it possible even likely photos times were edited but I don't think that's because they were 12 mths old.

You fervently want others to believe you to point of being too emotionally invested in that. You think the photos are 12- 18 mths old and go to elaborate lengths to try and support that. The upshot is it may change proof of life by 30 minutes IF you were correct. So the level of intensity is misplaced. I really don't care why they were if they were just that they were because that has relevance to the crime

Why not just work from that premise...a 30 minute change to POL by photo edits to time. Much easier.

You go to extraordinary lengths to prove something that could simply instead be stated that you believe photo edits occurred. Why they occurred is almost irrelevant but to you seemingly that has become the most important part. Meh.

I always show respect.