Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[jason_recliner]

, does that make him a better addict and parent than a different type of addict?

All other things being equal, yes IMO. An addict with the resources to provide the best education and connect with the higher echelons of society is going to provide better parental outcomes than a poor addict.

 

[js47]

TCP how do we know they cleaned their teeth? Good Mum comment?

 

[js47]

All other thing being equal, yes IMO. An addict with the resources to proves the best education and connect with the higher echelons of society is going to provide better parental outcomes than a poor addict.

PLEASE! What qualifications do you hold Jason?
That’s an arrogant statement.

 

[jason_recliner]

PLEASE! What qualifications do you hold Jason?
That’s an arrogant statement.

No qualifications. Just somebody who grew up poor and is now doing pretty well.

 

[31550]

The highway between Pt Macquarie and Hexham completed in 2013.. Watch the podcast again. How did you know they were going 80km/hr. It is 110 km/hr nearly all the way. The arrived at 9.30. and brushed their teeth.

Where do you get 9:30 from?
According to Overington's book they arrived at around 9pm.
But they could have arrived any time - nobody witnessed them arriving.
We know they stopped to supposedly "put pull-ups on the kids".
They left after 6:40pm based on CCTV evidence.
It's a 2-hour drive at best. Plus say a 10-minute stop for pull-ups.
That's only a 10-minute 'discrepancy' which might be due to traffic or slow driving, or maybe they actually arrived at 8:50?

 

[31550]

No qualifications. Just somebody who grew up poor and is now doing pretty well.

Look, there's no argument that people with money have more opportunities than people without, and this passes to their children. We would all rather have money than go without it.

But money alone is not a valid reason for removing children from parents and placing them in care.
Nor does having money miraculously give a person parenting skills.

The imbalance between rich and poor unfortunately finds its way into the legal system, especially in the Family Court, where financially disadvantaged people are often deprived of their rights. Case in point - Brendan and Karlie - if they were wealthy, they could have paid a lawyer to go to court to fight for custody of their children, instead of having to represent themselves. The judiciary is stacked with judges who mostly come from privileged backgrounds themselves (how else could they afford to go to law school, and find connections in the legal world to do their articles, get admitted to the Bar etc.)? Do you think a judge from a privileged background is going to be impressed by a poor uneducated couple living on subsistence, or a QC in a wig and gown who probably went to the same university and private school as the judge? Money talks!
This is one reason why you find children from poor families making their way into foster care more than children from rich families. It's not that the rich are better parents - it's that they can pay money to make sure their sh*t parenting doesn't come to the attention of FACS or police.

 

[truecrimepath]

Where do you get 9:30 from?
According to Overington's book they arrived at around 9pm.
But they could have arrived any time - nobody witnessed them arriving.
We know they stopped to supposedly "put pull-ups on the kids".
They left after 6:40pm based on CCTV evidence.
It's a 2-hour drive at best. Plus say a 10-minute stop for pull-ups.
That's only a 10-minute 'discrepancy' which might be due to traffic or slow driving, or maybe they actually arrived at 8:50?

The podcast that has been subpoenaed clearly states 9.30pm. I thought 9 pm as well. As you well know I don't think the photos were taken the day he disappeared and considered that something happened on the journey between Heatherbrae and Kendall. There is a yawning gap if it was actually 9.30 pm. I wonder whether this is the reason the episodes were under subpoena. The police must have checked cell phone data at Kendall and know when they arrived hence the shifting storyline. There is a very good chance he did not get to Kendall in one piece. It certainly explains the 7.30 timestamp and the FGM walkthrough where she states the FF had left by 8am. It also explains why the FD and William slept in seperate beds that night. Maybe the FD was asleep when it happened. Maybe she does not know what happened to her brother. Interestingly the female police officer who talked to her got no information from her.

 

[Poppy Penny]

So it's not the Spiderman doll. What does that have to do with eyebrows?

FFS

 

[truecrimepath]

FFS

Someone claimed there was a Spiderman doll hiding in the flower garden. It was a hose nozzle. LOL

 

[31550]

The podcast that has been subpoenaed clearly states 9.30pm. I thought 9 pm as well. As you well know I don't think the photos were taken the day he disappeared and considered that something happened on the journey between Heatherbrae and Kendall. There is a yawning gap if it was actually 9.30 pm. I wonder whether this is the reason the episodes were under subpoena. The police must have checked cell phone data at Kendall and know when they arrived hence the shifting storyline. There is a very good chance he did not get to Kendall in one piece. It certainly explains the 7.30 timestamp and the FGM walkthrough where she states the FF had left by 8am. It also explains why the FD and William slept in seperate beds that night. Maybe the FD was asleep when it happened. Maybe she does not know what happened to her brother. Interestingly the female police officer who talked to her got no information from her.

podcast schmodcast. Where's the source? Overington did extensive research for her book. She spoke to many people. She's an award winning journalist. And the book was written many years ago when people's memories were fresher. If she says it ways 9.00pm when they arrived in Kendall then she probably had a good reason.
FGM saying 8am for brakfast was ridiculous - doesn't fit with any of the rest of the narrative, and should have been immediately challenged and clarified at the time. She was probably just guessing and had no idea what the real time was, but clearly it could not have been 8am as FF was captured on CCTV. But she may have been lying so should have been cross-examined on this - how did she KNOW it was 8am? What reference pojnt did she use? Clock, radio, phone, something else? Shoddy police work.

 

[jason_recliner]

Look, there's no argument that people with money have more opportunities than people without, and this passes to their children. We would all rather have money than go without it.

But money alone is not a valid reason for removing children from parents and placing them in care.
Nor does having money miraculously give a person parenting skills.

The imbalance between rich and poor unfortunately finds its way into the legal system, especially in the Family Court, where financially disadvantaged people are often deprived of their rights. Case in point - Brendan and Karlie - if they were wealthy, they could have paid a lawyer to go to court to fight for custody of their children, instead of having to represent themselves. The judiciary is stacked with judges who mostly come from privileged backgrounds themselves (how else could they afford to go to law school, and find connections in the legal world to do their articles, get admitted to the Bar etc.)? Do you think a judge from a privileged background is going to be impressed by a poor uneducated couple living on subsistence, or a QC in a wig and gown who probably went to the same university and private school as the judge? Money talks!
This is one reason why you find children from poor families making their way into foster care more than children from rich families. It's not that the rich are better parents - it's that they can pay money to make sure their sh*t parenting doesn't come to the attention of FACS or police.

I agree right up to the end. The rich are better at most things (generally, and all other things being equal), that's why they're rich, and that includes being better parents.

 

[truecrimepath]

podcast schmodcast. Where's the source? Overington did extensive research for her book. She spoke to many people. She's an award winning journalist. And the book was written many years ago when people's memories were fresher. If she says it ways 9.00pm when they arrived in Kendall then she probably had a good reason.
FGM saying 8am for brakfast was ridiculous - doesn't fit with any of the rest of the narrative, and should have been immediately challenged and clarified at the time. She was probably just guessing and had no idea what the real time was, but clearly it could not have been 8am as FF was captured on CCTV. But she may have been lying so should have been cross-examined on this - how did she KNOW it was 8am? What reference pojnt did she use? Clock, radio, phone, something else? Shoddy police work.

Just because you don't like what is said on the podcast, does not mean it's not right. People Lie when they commit crimes. Not everything is true. The police are not using what is probably a work fiction as evidence. There are using the podcast with Leah Harris who has been there since the day dot as evidence. The podcast mentioned in this sub for the fourth time.

here's William Tyrrell? The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)​

 

[Underarrest_]

The podcast that has been subpoenaed clearly states 9.30pm. I thought 9 pm as well. As you well know I don't think the photos were taken the day he disappeared and considered that something happened on the journey between Heatherbrae and Kendall. There is a yawning gap if it was actually 9.30 pm. I wonder whether this is the reason the episodes were under subpoena. The police must have checked cell phone data at Kendall and know when they arrived hence the shifting storyline. There is a very good chance he did not get to Kendall in one piece. It certainly explains the 7.30 timestamp and the FGM walkthrough where she states the FF had left by 8am. It also explains why the FD and William slept in seperate beds that night. Maybe the FD was asleep when it happened. Maybe she does not know what happened to her brother. Interestingly the female police officer who talked to her got no information from her.

Remember FGM said she had no idea who was sleeping with who.

 

[truecrimepath]

I agree right up to the end. The rich are better at most things (generally, and all other things being equal), that's why they're rich, and that includes being better parents.

Define rich.

 

[truecrimepath]

Remember FGM said she had no idea who was sleeping with who.

In the podcast it clearly states that FD and William didn't sleep together that night. Leah Harris has interviewed the fosters and presumably that's where the info came from. Not sure whether it's true or not. Impossible for us to sort out what is actually true.

 

[jason_recliner]

Define rich.

I dunno, top 10%, top 1%. What does it matter? People with more money than you.

 

[truecrimepath]

I don't know, top 10%, top 1%. What does it matter? People with more money than you.

Is it financial assets, income, status. Being a professional. He is a real estate conman, unsure what she was.

 

[Underarrest_]

Is it financial assets, income, status. Being a professional. He is a real estate conman, unsure what she was.

Wasn’t one of FF’s arguments in court for child abuse that he was stressed as he was having financial difficulties?

 

[BFew]

I agree right up to the end. The rich are better at most things (generally, and all other things being equal), that's why they're rich, and that includes being better parents.

Including all the rich that acquired their richness primarily via inheritance?

 

[js47]

Look, there's no argument that people with money have more opportunities than people without, and this passes to their children. We would all rather have money than go without it.

But money alone is not a valid reason for removing children from parents and placing them in care.
Nor does having money miraculously give a person parenting skills.

The imbalance between rich and poor unfortunately finds its way into the legal system, especially in the Family Court, where financially disadvantaged people are often deprived of their rights. Case in point - Brendan and Karlie - if they were wealthy, they could have paid a lawyer to go to court to fight for custody of their children, instead of having to represent themselves. The judiciary is stacked with judges who mostly come from privileged backgrounds themselves (how else could they afford to go to law school, and find connections in the legal world to do their articles, get admitted to the Bar etc.)? Do you think a judge from a privileged background is going to be impressed by a poor uneducated couple living on subsistence, or a QC in a wig and gown who probably went to the same university and private school as the judge? Money talks!
This is one reason why you find children from poor families making their way into foster care more than children from rich families. It's not that the rich are better parents - it's that they can pay money to make sure their sh*t parenting doesn't come to the attention of FACS or police.

EXACTLY!

 

[truecrimepath]

Including all the rich that acquired their richness primarily via inheritance?

When my youngest daughter moved school to Sydney on the upper North Shore she was considered a Bogan, but where she came from she was considered a TOFF. It's all relative. I consider Williams biological parents extremely poor, but his FP, I would not consider wealthy, rich what ever you want to call it.

 

[jason_recliner]

Including all the rich that acquired their richness primarily via inheritance?

Nope. Successful people, as I said.

 

[Underarrest_]

I’m not sure if this is well known, but a foster carer only has to provide a safe and secure home for a foster child. Single people can foster a child and as long as they can provide for the child and they meet other eligibility requirements such as age, blue card, etc can foster. This is why they also get paid.

 

[js47]

I agree right up to the end. The rich are better at most things (generally, and all other things being equal), that's why they're rich, and that includes being better parents.

The fosters were better at realestate auctions. Guess you can be rich if you use dishonest means. That does not make you a good parent.

 

[Awakening]

Just catching up and it’s made me realise I’ve forgotten to rebook my eyebrow appointment.

Oh, and that I need to buy cocaine and pull ups.