Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[Lady O]

What's a possible scenario? An accident in the bath? Relatively common - more common than abductions. But why cover it up? Why not call an ambulance?

It’s a possible scenario if police are looking at it from an accident point of view which they have obviously indicated.

For there to be an accident-cover up, it would be necessary that there was something other than that accident to cover up. Maybe evidence of previous injuries would be the most likely. So just an accident in the bath wouldn't be a reason not to report it and call for help.

 

[31550]

It’s a possible scenario if police are looking at it from an accident point of view which they have obviously indicated.

Why cover it up?

 

[Wallace52]

For there to be an accident-cover up, it would be necessary that there was something other than that accident to cover up. Maybe evidence of previous injuries would be the most likely. So just an accident in the bath wouldn't be a reason not to report it and call for help.

I don’t even think that an accident of any kind and a cover up is likely.

Because as Nina Young has stated in Witness, you’d have to be a psychopath.

I think he was potentially murdered and then taken off the property, or there was a struggle and it was a case of manslaughter and again, taken off the property.

If it wasn’t that, I would say he wandered off, was taken by a wild animal or abducted.

The likelihood of an accident, a relatively calm 000 call after disposing of the child’s body would indicate there is something seriously wrong with the FM, I am not convinced she’s sufficiently messed up enough mentally and psychologically to do that. It’s against what I would say is normal human behaviour. I think the accident theory was an “out” provided by SFR to try and offer the FM no conviction and to locate William’s body.

IMO

 

[Kurve]

Probably there’s a suggestion around appropriate hygiene being provided by the foster parents for William and his sister? IDK?

There’s really no reason to think that a bath or a shower may have been a place for an accident, a drowning or an injury.

There’s absolutely no evidence that would suggest that, and no statements or walk through testimonies that would suggest either child had a bath or shower.

And I mean, if you look at William’s feet in the pictures, you will notice they are very dirty indeed.

I'm not suggesting WT had an accident in the bathroom, I've said for a long time I think he went over the balcony.

If I was the cops though, I'd be asking about showers or baths. Crossing all the t's and dotting the i's.

 

[Wallace52]

I'm not suggesting WT had an accident in the bathroom, I've said for a long time I think he went over the balcony.

If I was the cops though, I'd be asking about showers or baths. Crossing all the t's and dotting the i's.

I would also be asking about baths and showers if I was an investigating officer, but I wouldn’t be asking about that on the eve of an inquest. I would have dealt with that a while ago and either ruled it out or pursued it until I could rule it out.

I think there’s some last minute “investigating” going on by journalists associated with the News Corp podcast, as they desperately try to throw up any and all manner of red herrings before the inquest begins. IMO

I hope if William did go off the balcony and the FM covered that up, as the police have previously suggested, then I hope she faces some appropriate consequences because that kind of cover up would be unconscionable.

 

[shorsky]

It would be good to know the source for the warm bonnet. I did two consecutive 5 minute drives yesterday and the bonnet was barely warm.

If it was a trip it was much further than just down the road.

We know no one saw William physically that day. Did anyone actually see the FM either in Benaroon drive before the disappearance?

IF she went for a drive after the 9.37 am photo taking, I think there time for one significantly longer than 5 mins.

 

[Wallace52]

IF she went for a drive after the 9.37 am photo taking, I think there time for one significantly longer than 5 mins.

Yes, but it’s my view that police have triangulated some cellphone data that has led them to that location.
If she was smarter (well she’s already pretty smart) she should have driven further out, as she had some time.

Also, some have suggested she dumped him for others to find, in a false misadventure narrative scenario. So driving not too far away may have suited that particular scenario.

 

[shorsky]

The evidence or witness of FM's drive is not clear. There was a recent question of the whole warm bonnet theory. I don't think the original source was identified. The FM in the short part of her walkthrough that was released ALLEGES she drove and saw a truck. it would be a mystery why she would claim this if she had not driven. Especially early, when we think she was not a major suspect. As for seeing anyone? First sighting is FF's car, and we assume that they could see it was him driving, at ~ 8:50 passing the Kendall tennis club on CCTV. Even though the FM said he was running late and left around 9:00. No one saw FM, FGM, William or sister until around 10:30, about the time the FF returned.

It’s my understanding that Constable Rowley commented on the warm bonnet when he arrived arrived as first responder to the 000 call .

 

[Kurve]

I would also be asking about baths and showers if I was an investigating officer, but I wouldn’t be asking about that on the eve of an inquest. I would have dealt with that a while ago and either ruled it out or pursued it until I could rule it out.

Yes, those questions should have been asked in the first couple of days of William going missing.

And the bathroom/drains at the FGM house checked.

 

[LRitz]

There is definitely a secondary light source. When I say a light box, what I mean is a brightly lit object. Like white car in the yard or a white sheet in sun.etc. I agree it's the same direction, it's just that the pot plant is further over to the right. I considered the verandah post as well but it looks too square rather than a line.

I meant to show you the reflection in the window of the roof structure but It did not download. It appears to be bright. The inside of the timber work is lit up (big arrow) Trying to work out under what circumstance that can occur. I was wondering whether its a reflection off the same light source that can be seen in Williams eyes? Is it reflection from the bright wall.

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I have seen many discussion regarding time of photo. I really don't know, and I have just let everyone else slog it out. My suggestion was for someone to go to the house around the 12th Sept on sunny and cloudy days and take a few snaps. I am not suggesting were the light source was from, or angle or height. But why not a small weak flash close enough to just impact Williams eyes. The light would not be strong enough to light up the whole area. Some of those camera flashes are a rectangle shape built into the camera. I can see the roof reflection in the windows, not sure of the significance. i can see shadows of the table legs and the pink drink bottle which all seem to correspond to me. I think it would be quite bright at that time of year from 7:30 onwards. Drink Bottle - SH for shadow and R for reflection. It is clearly a reflection on the shiny deck as you can also see the colours of the bottle. The main light is brighter on Williams left side of his face (i.e the right side of the photo as you look at it). His right cheek is in a bit of a shadow.

Edit: sorry somehow my attached files are added to yours. Told you Im not IT.

 

[Kurve]

It’s my understanding that Constable Rowley commented on the warm bonnet when he arrived arrived as first responder to the 000 call .

The FM went out in the car twice IMO.

Once before the 000 call and again after the 000 call. I don't know why she went out twice but if she was involved and given she avoided answering the operator on what shoes William was wearing, I would suspect it was because she realised the shoes were still on the back porch and she needed to get rid of them.

 

[31550]

It’s my understanding that Constable Rowley commented on the warm bonnet when he arrived arrived as first responder to the 000 call .

If that is true it was good policing by Rowley but terrible policing by Rupp and the rest. There is no way the drive could be explained as "looking for William" - it doesn't fit the timeline of him being only gone 5 minutes. Giant red flag.

 

[js47]

Ok but I thought she did not take her phone or am I wrong and if that is right we’ll red flag for me.

 

[shorsky]

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They arrived at the FGM's approx 20:50 . Heather Savage confirmed this too, saying she saw the tail lights of the car pull up at the FGM's house.

They left McDonalds @ 18:40

From Google maps leaving at this time gives you the arrival time of 20:50

McDonald's - Heatherbrae to 48 Benaroon Dr

www.google.com

If everyone's times all lined up & were the same for every encounter told by them all, then, would you also be saying that was suss??

Personally I believe that would be a bigger Red flag.

This is the first I’ve heard of any evidence given by Heather Savage. Interesting. Was this documented during the initial stages of the inquest ?

( guess the driver made up the ‘stop’ time in order to do the trip in the estimated 2 hour timeframe )

 

[js47]

Do you really think he was only gone for 5 minutes. IMO he was forgotten about. FGM and FM had LOTS to discuss and finally he was quiet and they just forgot about him. His sister was locked outside.

 

[js47]

Will the inquest be new information or will it be clarification I do not know anything about this. I find it very interesting to read the posts about the inquest.

 

[31550]

This is the first I’ve heard of any evidence given by Heather Savage. Interesting. Was this documented during the initial stages of the inquest ?

( guess the driver made up the ‘stop’ time in order to do the trip in the estimated 2 hour timeframe )

Initial stage was
1. Bio parents took him
2. Lost in the bush
3. Spedding took him

Police had no interest in any other theories so no need to interview Heather Savage. Heather died in 2015. But Ally Chumley took an interest in the case and spoke to her before she died.

 

[31550]

Will the inquest be new information or will it be clarification I do not know anything about this. I find it very interesting to read the posts about the inquest.

I guess wait and see.
My money is on no new information. Open finding. Get it off the books. Next!

 

[js47]

I think something happened before he went around the side of the house then was forgotten about.

 

[js47]

31550 I think you are right.

 

[shorsky]

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FM thinks she had a shower.

Searching for Spiderman.

So from that, what time is ‘Anna’ saying ‘Nathan’ left and they took over the bike riding ?
Did the bike riding happen before breakfast ?

 

[shorsky]

The FM went out in the car twice IMO.

Once before the 000 call and again after the 000 call. I don't know why she went out twice but if she was involved and given she avoided answering the operator on what shoes William was wearing, I would suspect it was because she realised the shoes were still on the back porch and she needed to get rid of them.

Why not just say, ‘his shoes are here, he obviously didn’t have them on’ ??

Also its my understanding that Const Rowley was there very quickly after the 000 call so I doubt there was time for her to drive off ( unseen) then

 

[stormbird]

Searching For Spiderman by Ally Chumley pages 59-61.

Alley was also at the inquest, as was I.

We / you are talking about Thursday the 11/9/2014 & Heather was certainly alive than ( was making up a spare bed as she had visitors coming on Friday ).

I'd hedge a bet, that Ally had access to the whole brief also to write her book, as well as attending every day of the inquest.

alwaysintrigued, if you were at the inquest when Snr Cst Rowley was on the stand, can you remember whether he said anything about the temperature of cars or tea cups (or anything else he might have checked that showed whether the cars or cups had been used recently)? Thank you.

 

[CodyRose]

If that is true it was good policing by Rowley but terrible policing by Rupp and the rest. There is no way the drive could be explained as "looking for William" - it doesn't fit the timeline of him being only gone 5 minutes. Giant red flag.

I doubt it was literally five minutes, imo much longer

 

[Angry Red Bull]

If you were tasked with investigating this and this was entirely missing from the night before to the time William went missing, you'd want to know why IMO.

The suspicion being, that William died in the bathtub or the shower and the fosters don't want to draw any attention to that area, so they're leaving it out altogether.

There is enough depth of detail and independent witness accounts ( hearing children play) together with props....drawings, toys,water bottles including first hand witness accounts of those closest FGM, FD, FM , FF and cross verifying ( per GJ of FD, FGM) themselves to conclude the 12th happened with children there imo. Then you have the alleged photographs being shown to Rowley to say that not only they were there but they were photographed that day. Once you take that leap it renders irrelevant everything prior to that time including those interested in orthodontics, flower arrangements, age development patterns , and sunshine directions and weather patterns at different seasons of year, eye reflections of sheets, architecture reflections on the window, or whatever else obscure inane irrelevancy that might live in that massive rabbit hole.

The critical factors then become evidence that can be adduced which can aid direction in determining criminality and those responsible. GJ had penchant for testing criminality of parents and rightly/ wrongly excluded them as suspects because there was no self incrimination when he would usually expect there was on listening devices. There remains though critical facts which implicate:

• why the car trip 1.3 klm away by FM?
• the window of time to do the practical steps to hide a body and why?
• the shoes whereabouts?
• Hand injury why? Self defence v act of hiding
• inconsistencies in witness statements

- bike riding
- the existence/ purposely of trip
- start time of the search (SST)
- FF not heard until after SST
* Unverified abduction hoax indicia
- the mysterious cars
- U turn man
- truck man wave

The very first comment to independent party by FM after SST was words to AMS to effect....'he has either hit his head and cant hear me OR had been taken' They are critical. Why? Because they are not the very first thoughts that enter when a child goes missing.. the very first is where is he, have you seen him.... He's wandered off. No they are very much COG (consciousness of guilt ) behaviours.

Once you form the view that there are multiple COG behaviours (I have) of FM it quickly becomes a pivot on the time availability which in turn pivots on the time of photos including whether edited or not. There have been so many searches that you can conclude that IF he died and was hidden after 9.37 in short time available that you can be certain his body would be found OR there would have been cadaver stench detected in those close locations. If moved a second time cadaver scent in car.. The fact there hasn't strongly suggests the location is in a place much further away so they remained undetected.

That's where I'm at and what I've adduced. LE most definitely would have cadaver links already if it happened after 9.37. Perhaps they do. If they don't you must assume undetected edits occurred and he's in a place he won't be found. Coincidentally the FM audacity to attack LE now is a strong indication she feels safe enough she hasn't been exposed. Ie further away never to be found..