Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[Kurve]

Not that one. The podcast that Lia made before that.

This is one of the early ones.

 

[LRitz]

If you listen to FGM long walk through she clearly says at one point that FF had TOLD HER that.......X y z..ie she was definitely parroting the FF responses to a question that should have been HER ANSWER . Then at the end of the long walk through when the detective starts to ask questions about where she was in relation to FD after the main time was finished she says I can't remember and follow up question again I can't remember. Ie immediately after what had been rehearsed she can't remember when she has to respond herself . Major red flag IMO that it all was rehearsed.

She couldn't even remember whether she went left or right down the hill towards road because that sort of specificity WASN'T rehearsed so it tripped her up.

And she asks the police interviewer "which way would I have gone?" (Funny, but it is actually not)
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then she says she saw the FM, but corrects herself immediately, and says no, I saw Neighbour AM. But I don't think that fits in with AM's evidence. At this point I think FM would have been back in the house looking for William. FGM seems IMO to be saying the FM was further down the street and then reappears. But she would be coming back from the house. So who sees AM first FM or FGM?
Then everything is a" blur". As I said before, no wonder they shipped her out, away from prying eyes.

 

[LRitz]

Not that one. The podcast that Lia made before that.

I don't know if I should listen. Will it just cause me confusion and down other rabbit holes. Am driving Sydney Canberra next week, but maybe just listen to Dylan.

(Aside, listened to ABC Mr Big series 6. interesting, not related to William Tyrrell)

 

[Angry Red Bull]

And she asks the police interviewer "which way would I have gone?" (Funny, but it is actually not)
.
then she says she saw the FM, but corrects herself immediately, and says no, I saw Neighbour AM. But I don't think that fits in with AM's evidence. At this point I think FM would have been back in the house looking for William. FGM seems IMO to be saying the FM was further down the street and then reappears. But she would be coming back from the house. So who sees AM first FM or FGM?
Then everything is a" blur". As I said before, no wonder they shipped her out, away from prying eyes.

I've listened to it over and over. Salient points:

* The FPs arrived at house about 9 pm and everyone went to bed by 9.30 COMMENT: further corroboration of arrival time from Mcd.. no hint of deception in account

* I woke up at my usual time 7.30. then hesitates seemingly to remember that's NOT what was rehearsed stumbles with her words then starts to talk about why FF wasn't there because he left early and she was in fact up LATE. COMMENT: imo deceptive..he was there.

* No mention whatsoever of bike riding. Neither in initial FM statements BUT it is in the where's William Tyrrell podcast that both FM and FGM had watched them at a time we now know to be about 9 COMMENT: deceptive conduct by both which coincides with time of departure of Car and FF.

* The 9.10 missed call from GO is imo likely because they were outside watching bike riding..she was asked about calls and was taken aback repeatedly saying no 6-7 time. COMMENT: no deception imo but nervous about LE expectations

* When in back yard off the verandah you CANT hear cars down on the road. It's. About 70 metres away

* There are multiple times where she resorts to what was in my view rehearsed from both FM and FF.

I remain firmly of the view that FGM is trying to take FF out of the picture for when he left in his car. The only way she/ they thought to do that was he left before she was up..the main reason they would hide the bike riding and FF leaving in car is because it killed WT perhaps in delayed death ' bouncing out of his skull' accident

 

[js47]

ARB all the best to your Mother, I hope all turns out well

 

[LRitz]

I've listened to it over and over. Salient points:

* The FPs arrived at house about 9 pm and everyone went to bed by 9.30 COMMENT: further corroboration of arrival time from Mcd.. no hint of deception in account

* I woke up at my usual time 7.30. then hesitates seemingly to remember that's NOT what was rehearsed stumbles with her words then starts to talk about why FF wasn't there because he left early and she was in fact up LATE. COMNENT: imo deceptive..he was there

And then at the end (between the blurry bits) she throws BS under the bus.

 

[LRitz]

And then at the end (between the blurry bits) she throws BS under the bus.

Would it have been generally well known by people in the area of the previous allegation against BS. FGM was local for many years and it may have been in local papers or gossip.
Did she specifically choose hime to come to the house that week.

 

[truecrimepath]

Natasha Belling says "they arrived at ABOUT 9.30 at night"

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The Little Boy in the Spiderman Suit - Where's William Tyrrell? (podcast)

00:39:55 - How does a child simply disappear with his mother just metres away? 10 News First's Lia Harris and Natarsha Belling chronicle the hours leading up …

www.listennotes.com

For those that have not listened. Natasha Belling and Leah Harris are discussing the FM official Police statement of the journey when this time is quoted twice. What's not clear is whether this is where they got the time of 9.30 from or from other discussions.

 

[truecrimepath]

Everything they did from the time they got there is relevant IMO.

The FM was keen to do the washing and I noticed the red tights FD was wearing the night before were on the line, why is the shower/bath body washing missing?

That is very odd. Very good pickup.

 

[js47]

In the photo of the drive way I noticed two things.
1. There is a door to the car port if FGM car is parked there no one and L would see you take something to the car.
2. If that drive is steep there isn’t any way the kids could ride around in a circle rather straight down onto the road. I doubt they had the skill. Didn’t L have a Fall so William copied her? Mmmmm!
Sorry I have read to many books pod casts this site. I cannot confirm this.
So to sum it up that drawing IMO is a lie (if it happened).

 

[Lady O]

This is one of the early ones.

I didn't get anything much from that except "That fateful morning was like any sunny Friday in Kendall"

 

[truecrimepath]

I have seen many discussion regarding time of photo. I really don't know, and I have just let everyone else slog it out. My suggestion was for someone to go to the house around the 12th Sept on sunny and cloudy days and take a few snaps. I am not suggesting were the light source was from, or angle or height. But why not a small weak flash close enough to just impact Williams eyes. The light would not be strong enough to light up the whole area. Some of those camera flashes are a rectangle shape built into the camera. I can see the roof reflection in the windows, not sure of the significance. i can see shadows of the table legs and the pink drink bottle which all seem to correspond to me. I think it would be quite bright at that time of year from 7:30 onwards. Drink Bottle - SH for shadow and R for reflection. It is clearly a reflection on the shiny deck as you can also see the colours of the bottle. The main light is brighter on Williams left side of his face (i.e the right side of the photo as you look at it). His right cheek is in a bit of a shadow.

Edit: sorry somehow my attached files are added to yours. Told you Im not IT.

That part of the verandah is clearly in shadow from the trees and the house in the Geraghty photo taken at about 9 to 9.30. I did the trigonometry on it. Objects closest such as William and GM legs should have no shadow with a flash.

The fact there is bright light on the drink bottle argues that it was not taken that day. White tends to reflect light well, but pink not so well.Look at the photo below again. See how the reflection from the white legs is seen.
Look at the depth of the shadow from the wall and roofing




Now look at this. The shadows are almost vertical. The light is directly above them.

 

[truecrimepath]

In the photo of the drive way I noticed two things.
1. There is a door to the car port if FGM car is parked there no one and L would see you take something to the car.
2. If that drive is steep there isn’t any way the kids could ride around in a circle rather straight down onto the road. I doubt they had the skill. Didn’t L have a Fall so William copied her? Mmmmm!
Sorry I have read to many books pod casts this site. I cannot confirm this.
So to sum it up that drawing IMO is a lie (if it happened).

Didn't Heather Savage see them? She left for Bingo that morning. Saw no one I believe. I wonder if she even saw the FGM car.

 

[Wallace52]

This is one of the early ones.

Thanks for digging that up you LEGEND!

 

[js47]

In the photo of William with the paper his hair looks wet. FD Hair may be wet too that is why she looks like she has foils. (Surely not). The red pants may have been washed because she may have wet them.
If they had showers once again the time lines go down the toilet with every thing else. Showers/bath take time with kids jumping around trying to get them out cleaning teeth. When did FM have her shower night morning.

 

[js47]

Yep! William FF told him to fix him self up before a cuddle. He would have had a shower or bath phew!

 

[Wallace52]

Yep! William FF told him to fix him self up before a cuddle. He would have had a shower or bath phew!

Yeah, a 3 year old is not showering or bathing themselves!

It’s hard enough to get the mix of cold and hot water at just the right temperature. It’s not in any way responsible to allow a 3 year old to turn on the taps themselves or to bathe or shower themselves without assistance from a parent.

 

[Underarrest_]

In the photo of William with the paper his hair looks wet. FD Hair may be wet too that is why she looks like she has foils. (Surely not). The red pants may have been washed because she may have wet them.
If they had showers once again the time lines go down the toilet with every thing else. Showers/bath take time with kids jumping around trying to get them out cleaning teeth. When did FM have her shower night morning.

Very true, showers for two little ones would take time.
Unfortunately we don’t know whether we just haven’t heard this in the narrative or
the children didn’t bathe for 24 hours.
FM is said to have showered herself at 7.55am.

 

[BFew]

It’s not in any way responsible to allow a 3 year old to turn on the taps themselves or to bathe or shower themselves without assistance from a parent.

Even moreso in a bathroom that is not in their home.

 

[Wallace52]

Even moreso in a bathroom that is not in their home.

So I have a 5 year old grand child and he is very smart and independent, and he has just worked out how to turn the shower on at his mums house, to the point where the hot and cold balance out, and he can pretty much do the routine by himself now. He will be 6 soon and he’s a high achiever all-round.

Now, William is 3, he’s reportedly got some gross motor issues and some behavioural issues. He is not going to be able to independently shower and/or bathe himself.

 

[Underarrest_]

Even moreso in a bathroom that is not in their home.

Yes 3 or 5. I think js47 was just saying he would have had to have had a bath.
Edit as in he would have been due for one.

 

[Wallace52]

Very true, showers for two little ones would take time.
Unfortunately we don’t know whether we just haven’t heard this in the narrative or
the children didn’t bathe for 24 hours.
FM is said to have showered herself at 7.55am.

Well I am so glad she was able to feel fresh and clean for her day!

 

[Wallace52]

Yes 3 or 5. I think js47 was just saying he would have had to have had a bath.

Not necessarily. Looking at his feet I would say it would have been a few days.

 

[Underarrest_]

Not necessarily. Looking at his feet I would say it would have been a few days.

Yes agree and it’s possible they didn’t.
Was more meaning this would take time in FM’s timeline if they did.

 

[Lady O]

Yep! William FF told him to fix him self up before a cuddle. He would have had a shower or bath phew!

I think FF might have told him to take off his wet pull-ups. At least that has been discussed before.