Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[Wallace52]

The well renowned Candace Sutton

Oh that’s nice to have dig at people, CS is an authority on this case and has been on the case consistently for years.

I am so excited to read what she writes this week.

What are you writing this week, Liandra ? Anything good?

 

[Wallace52]

Thank you for sharing your feelings Wallace52. You’ve described the reality of what this is really about and the importance of answers (and justice)...for William, who deserved so much better.

I’m trying to.

 

[Liandra]

Oh that’s nice to have dig at people, CS is an authority on this case and has been on the case consistently for years.

I am so excited to read what she writes this week.

What are you writing this week, Liandra ? Anything good?

Well sensationalism does have an exciting feel I guess.

Suggest you revisit the piece she wrote about the merchandise out the front of the coronial inquest. The key word is 'offered'. To be fair she does have a special way of framing things, sneaky.

 

[Wallace52]

Well sensationalism does have an exciting feel I guess.

Suggest you revisit the piece she wrote about the merchandise out the front of the coronial inquest. The key word is 'offered'. To be fair she does have a special way of framing things, sneaky.

Just because you do not like a particular journalist or the way they write, it doesn’t mean they are wrong or inaccurate. And don’t call people “sneaky”. The DMA have a legal department too, and you may be hiding behind a keyboard but you’re a real person saying real things about real people.

There are many journalists that saw the merchandise outside court. Lia Harris was there also. Overington was there for a bit, and the list goes on and on. Dan Box wasn’t there. Nina Young wasn’t there either.

At least even you can see that you see that, in retrospect, how ugly it was to have ever sold Where’s William merchandise outside court, which is evident by the fact that you’re trying to deny it even happened and gaslight me.

And don’t come at me about framing things. Every journalist or writer has an angle.

There is an entire podcast being curated with this assistance of Clare and Alice Collins, with JS and SD and their team.

IMO, News are framing the fosters up to be innocent, and they are throwing mud Laidlaw’s way to portray him in a certain light. That is their angle.

I’m really done with this discussion so I’m good to move on.

 

[31550]

Well sensationalism does have an exciting feel I guess.

Suggest you revisit the piece she wrote about the merchandise out the front of the coronial inquest. The key word is 'offered'. To be fair she does have a special way of framing things, sneaky.

Regardless of semantics, is it appropriate that the Where's William organisation continues to promote itself by appearing at court and the Inquest? What is to be gained? The Daniel Morcombe Foundation has distanced itself from Where's William. Where's William is not a charity. Appearing at court and the inquest encourages people to engage with WW and its website. What purpose does this serve? The inquest is in progress. It's a little late now for people to come forward with new information but if they did, they should go to the police not WW. If it's supposed to be supporting Williams family and loved ones, then where is the inventory of 'support' that has been provided so far, and who received this support?
Time WW was wound up.

 

[stormbird]

I am a bit puzzled today when I read this from 2015. When asked when he last saw William, the FF replies 10.15. The FM is vague. 10.15???? how does that fit into the timeline?

IN THEIR WORDS: William Tyrrell's parents talk of the day their boy went missing and the 'living nightmare' they endure

The parents of missing toddler William Tyrrell have spoken for the first time about their son’s disap...

www.9news.com.au

MarkyMark88, in the video it sounds to me like FF might be talking to FM more than the interviewer when he says "10-- about 10:15" (but it's not possible to see him, so I'm just guessing).

And after this FM says "No...", which is not in the 9News transcript. From 01:28 minutes:

 

[Wallace52]

MarkyMark88, in the video it sounds to me like FF might be talking to FM more than the interviewer when he says "10-- about 10:15" (but it's not possible to see him, so I'm just guessing).

And after this FM says "No...", which is not in the 9News transcript. From 01:28 minutes:

“We had to watch his sister learn to be an only child: Heartbreaking.”

No, you didn’t. You didn’t have to watch her learn to be an only child. She had two other brothers who were her full biological siblings, and she now has 4 siblings. And her brothers lived in Sydney as did she. So it’s not like they were even geographically isolated. Just prevented from growing up together or seeing each other.

It’s your fault for keeping her from her siblings and her parents, and somehow feeding her the narrative that without William she was an only child: It’s such an unnecessary lie.

 

[Wallace52]

"Untold story of William Tyrrell: Dan Box Pt.1", I Catch Killers (season 4, episode 214) 03 Nov 2024

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/t...ox-pt1/audio/3a8ea0d2836f2351c18f73967b5c8fca

They’ve re-branded and re-released an ICK interview from last week.

 

[Wallace52]

They already fired Jubelin and I don't think there's many around who buy the official reason put forward of why he was fired. There was always more to that story imo.

We might eventually find out.

Oh, I’ve got an inkling. I don’t think we will ever officially be told, but I think it’s pretty obvious once you get to know the case well.

Let’s just say it is possible that surveillance was on GJ phone and a certain FM phone earlier than 2020 and may have intercepted some conversations, but due to ethical standards we will probably never officially know how that occurred or what was said between the two of them. And I don’t even want to know.
organisation.

 

[shorsky]

Yeah I think even “blind-Freddie” would concede that there was probably another person there when the photos were taken, as William seemed to be looking right at him/her and it wasn’t the grandmother, as she is in the frame.

Why could he not be looking at FM, standing above him to take the photo ?

I guess surely Police checked all the other photos taken at that time to ensure there were similar photos taken of L as well..

 

[Wallace52]

Why could he not be looking at FM, standing above him to take the photo ?

I guess surely Police checked all the other photos taken at that time to ensure there were similar photos taken of L as well..

FM has talked about her angle and how she took the photo and she’s specifically said or implied that he was not looking at her.

I think she has crouched down to take some of those photos and he’s looking at someone else or something else.

But all MOO.

I guess surely Police checked all the other photos taken at that time to ensure there were similar photos taken of L as well..

I highly doubt it.

 

[31550]

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/extraordinary-decision-revealed-as-william-tyrrell-inquest-finally-resumes/news-story/273a85deed6d2482bedbaa611f32c15c

Laidlaw will not appear at the inquest.
It seems the coroner isn't interested in what the current leader of SFR has to say.

 

[Kurve]

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/extraordinary-decision-revealed-as-william-tyrrell-inquest-finally-resumes/news-story/273a85deed6d2482bedbaa611f32c15c

Laidlaw will not appear at the inquest.
It seems the coroner isn't interested in what the current leader of SFR has to say.

Was it not with the Coroner's directions the big dig was launched?

In an extraordinary decision, the coroner overseeing the inquest refused a request by the NSW Police Commissioner, Karen Webb, asking for Detective Chief Inspector Detective Laidlaw to be called.

It means he will not be asked to explain why police launched a massive search of the area around Kendall, where William was reported missing in 2014.

This is a bit odd however ..

Nor will DCI Laidlaw be asked what evidence the strike force he commands has gathered, despite its detectives having said in court they believe William’s foster mother knows where the boy is.

Via link.

 

[31550]

Was it not with the Coroner's directions the big dig was launched?

In an extraordinary decision, the coroner overseeing the inquest refused a request by the NSW Police Commissioner, Karen Webb, asking for Detective Chief Inspector Detective Laidlaw to be called.

It means he will not be asked to explain why police launched a massive search of the area around Kendall, where William was reported missing in 2014.

Via link.

True, the big dig was at the coroner's request.

But if Laidlaw is not appearing, then who will present the findings of the big dig, and anything discovered by SFR since the inquest last convened?

Does this mean they have found nothing new in the last couple of years?

 

[Wallace52]

Was it not with the Coroner's directions the big dig was launched?

Thats what the public were told.
I’m baffled: What is going on here?

 

[31550]

Thats what the public were told.
I’m baffled: What is going on here?

 

[Lady O]

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/extraordinary-decision-revealed-as-william-tyrrell-inquest-finally-resumes/news-story/273a85deed6d2482bedbaa611f32c15c

Laidlaw will not appear at the inquest.
It seems the coroner isn't interested in what the current leader of SFR has to say.

Nor apparently was she interested in the previous leader of SFR had to say.

 

[31550]

Nor apparently was she interested in the previous leader of SFR had to say.

Yeah but he'd already been sacked.

 

[Kurve]

Thats what the public were told.
I’m baffled: What is going on here?

The Coroner may have already received the police reports.

 

[31550]

The Coroner may have already received the police reports.

 

[Lady O]

The Coroner may have already received the police reports.

Well, you would think the senior police officer(s) in charge of the case would need to give evidence in person. Same with all the other witnesses and Police officers involved.

 

[31550]

Well, you would think the senior police officer(s) in charge of the case would need to give evidence in person. Same with all the other witnesses and Police officers involved.

I think (Det Sgt) Laura Beacroft is the most senior police rep to give evidence.
It would appear that the coroner does not need to ask any questions about the police evidence she has.
The coroner is unlikely to go over old ground.
Either there is nothing new in the latest police brief, or the coroner has already made her decision about whether to accept or reject the 'new' evidence. Probably there is nothing new.
She asked the police to investigate the possibility of a balcony fall / other accident and/or concealment of the body near FGM house. SFR will presumably have provided details of any evidence found to support this theory. The coroner will probably weigh up this evidence against everything else, and use it to make her determination as to cause of death. That's all folks.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Nor apparently was she interested in the previous leader of SFR had to say.

The request was in my view a legally strategic decision to have information made public in questioning via coroner which perhaps wouldn't be if it were strict police natter.. coroner denying the request is a slap in face .....no I'm not playing your game, do you job without media persecution

Have to admire a coroner who stands up to police with integrity as sole motivation.

 

[31550]

The request was in my view a legally strategic decision to have information made public in questioning via coroner which perhaps wouldn't be if it were strict police natter.. coroner denying the request is a slap in face .....no I'm not playing your game, do you job with out media persecution

Are you talking about the original request by FM to have Jubelin at the inquest?
If so, coroner IMO was correct in decision to exclude him as he had no official role any more, and was not a material witness.
Or are you talking about current NSW Police Commissioner request for Laidlaw to give evidence?
If so, coroner has considered the request and ruled against it, but not revealed her reasons publicly.

Let's remember the coroner should 'swim in her own lane'. She is only interested in 'what happened to William', and not anything else. So she will only consider evidence which directly relates to the circumstances of William's presumed death. Not anything which happened before or after, unless it is proven to be connected.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Are you talking about the original request by FM to have Jubelin at the inquest?
If so, coroner IMO was correct in decision to exclude him as he had no official role any more, and was not a material witness.
Or are you talking about current NSW Police Commissioner request for Laidlaw to give evidence?
If so, coroner has considered the request and ruled against it, but not revealed her reasons publicly.

Let's remember the coroner should 'swim in her own lane'. She is only interested in 'what happened to William', and not anything else. So she will only consider evidence which directly relates to the circumstances of William's presumed death. Not anything which happened before or after, unless it is proven to be connected.

Read the article saying police applied to have head investigator questioned on stand. Was denied.

There are I suspect rules regarding secrecy of police evidence that could be circumvented if the coroner controls it instead. It was an attempt to talk about the whole police case against FPs without breaching legal police obligations to the prospective defendant's attempted. Persecution using the coroner's court..