Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[Angry Red Bull]

All good questions. But none relate to the police theory of an accident.

I think we all want to know what happened. Three choices at outset. Abduction..Accident. Homicide.

The behaviour patterns and care of W and by FPs has a direct bearing on likelihood of the 3rd choice. The SFR talk about accident only but it's design is to hope for cooperation to locate a body that can then be forensically examined for more serious charges..Make no mistake they are aware of the likelihood of more serious charges looming in background. The mere fact FM is now in cross hairs and still refuses to co-operate in face on increasing pressure is becoming more likely that what happened has elements that weren't accidental. SFR won't play that card until after a body is found if it is.

 

[js47]

I wonder if we will ever hear testimony from William's pre-school and child-care staff? They were a significant presence in William's short life and saw more of William than the FPs did most week days. They were all mandatory reporters. There are so many questions l would like to ask.

* Was William ever reluctant to go home with his carers? What was his attitude when SD arrived to collect him?

* Did they ever notice or document his apparent weight loss after his Bali holiday? What were his eating habits? Did he bring adequate food?

* William was reported to be "head-shy" early in the investigation. Did they observe this?

* How did he interact with other children? Was he overbearing, passive, violent or demanding? Was he overly compliant with staff?

* What were his favourite topics of conversation and which FP did he prefer to talk about?

* Was he appropriately dressed each day? Did he ever wear costumes at times or for extended periods?

* Did he ever present with unexplained bruising or evidence of neglect other than the black eye?

* Was he developmentally delayed? How were his problem-solving skills? Was he comfortable asking for assistance when necessary?

* Was he frequently sad or was he bubbly and optimistic? How did he express his feelings?

My entire career has involved child and vulnerable adult protection, working with families and professional stakeholders at a high level over 40 years. Documentations of William's early childhood are crucial; particularly essential as he was a foster child. Where are these documents? Have they been taken into evidence? As expected, they will be guarded by the Dept like Fort Knox, but must surely be subpoenaed in closed court if every aspect of William's short life matters.

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OMG AT LAST THANK YOU

 

[31550]

The Crabb's had a regular morning exercise routine, so there is some accuracy in their timing. Also it was their habit to have morning tea out on their verandah after their walk, which is how they would hear children or cars. Presumably more difficult to hear from inside the house. Narrows down the time window - when were they outside?
It is clearly well before 10.30 when FF went to see them otherwise they would have said, "Oh we just heard the postie, maybe she saw something?"

So I followed up this by seeing what is written by Overington and Chumley about the Crabbs.
Both have them returning to their home after 9:30am, and then having morning tea on their back deck.
Overington says they remained out there until just before 11 when Mrs Crabb went inside and was preparing some chicken for lunch when she saw a couple coming up the driveway, who she later found out were the fosters. FF asked to search her back yard. so this would be after the 000 call
Chumley says the Crabbs did not see any cars on the street when they left at 8:00-8:30, nor were there any when they returned at 9:30.
Both authors report that the Crabbs heard a vehicle. Chumley says they assumed it was the postie because no doors were heard to open, the turn it made, and the sound of the engine (postie drives a small car, not a motorbike). Mrs Crabb said it was going quite fast. Chumley says she checked with the post office and found the postie had been in Benaroon Drive around 10 that morning.
According to Overington, they were half-listening for the postie because they were collecting the Miller's mail. Overington says Paul Crabb said the car did not stop at the Savages, but at FGMs (48), stopped about as long as it takes to deliver something, then turned around.
Neither author talks about the time of the vehicle exactly. I assume this was only explored at the inquest, years later.
It seems it might have been the postie, or it might have been the FGM backing out of the driveway.
I wonder why SFR never worked out exactly when the postie was in Benaroon Drive, if Chumley could? The postie would also have been able to see any cars parked in the street.
So it seems very unlikely that William could have left the house without being heard or seen by either the Crabbs or the postie.
The only opportunity was in FGMs car driven by FM, and that was what the Crabbs must have heard. Unless the postie took him.

 

[js47]

All good questions. But none relate to the police theory of an accident.

Yes they do it shows a pattern of behaviour towards situations.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

If I were SFR and DPP I'd just keep raising charges until you wear the miscreants down

How about improper use of emergency services....the 000 call. 3 yrs or $38k fine.
You made a call knowing the child was dead

I'll keep thinking them up

 

[31550]

The aim of this lnquest is not just to explore the police theory of an accident. It is happening to explore every aspect of William's short life to ascertain whether he is alive or deceased, so my questions are relevant.

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Correct and I am agreeing these questions should be asked and answered.
I am just pointing out that the police, for some reason, are not going there.
I wonder why?

 

[31550]

Yes they do it shows a pattern of behaviour towards situations.

Accidents are accidents, they are not caused by a pattern of behaviour. Almost the opposite.
Situations, yes. IMO this wasn't an accident, and I think the police theory makes no sense. One doesn't need to cover up a genuine accident by moving a body. They should call a spade a spade, not pussyfoot about, being frightened by lawyers and PR companies. We are talking about a 3YO boy's life.

 

[31550]

They were not perfectly happy that day
Fact FF was annoyed FM told him to take care she would handle kids
William and L were fighting over toy
FGM was discussing William’s behaviour FM said that’s what little boys do
William Supposedly crashed bike.
Doesn’t sound to happy to me

Woke up early just before 6am.
Insisted on wearing the Spiderman suit.
DELIBERATELY crashed his bike into the garden.
Refused to climb the 'great climbing tree'
Didn't roll the dice correctly.
Kept taking over the conversation.
Soon got fed up with drawing.
"Has he got ADD?" ...

... but they LOVED going to Opa's (even though Opa had been dead for seven months and they hadn't been since). Just wondering what exactly they loved about going there ... no toys to play with, nowhere to ride bikes, FGM preferred to read her paper than interact, ...

 

[Lady O]

It has previously been suggested that FGM had a male friend who was a Pilot.
I guess no one but them really knows the extent of that friendship, and personally I don’t care. …. as long as he had no involvement in William’s disappearance.

I was wondering how long before he was brought into this! Absolutely NO EVIDENCE this man had any involvement at all in WT's disappearance!!

 

[js47]

OMG ask the posty
1 what time were you in BD
2 did you drop off any mail at 48 or neighbours
3 did you see William playing?

Over and done with problem solved.

If not it was FM or FF coming home

 

[31550]

I was wondering how long before he was brought into this! Absolutely NO EVIDENCE this man had any involvement at all in WT's disappearance!!

That's true there is no evidence. But there is not much evidence of anything.
There is no evidence that William wandered off and got lost (people and dogs found no trace). But that theory was pursued.
There is no reliable evidence of abduction either. (Strange cars only seen by the FM, neighbours didn't see or hear). And no ransom demand or body or sighting). But that theory was pursued.
There was no evidence that Spedding or Savage had anything to do with William's disappearance. Yet those theories were pursued.

 

[js47]

Funny how some people see fun in life.
He had a toy cupboard. If William had it all over the patio then that would have been a happy snap.

 

[Lady O]

That's true there is no evidence. But there is not much evidence of anything.
There is no evidence that William wandered off and got lost (people and dogs found no trace). But that theory was pursued.
There is no reliable evidence of abduction either. (Strange cars only seen by the FM, neighbours didn't see or hear). And no ransom demand or body or sighting). But that theory was pursued.
There was no evidence that Spedding or Savage had anything to do with William's disappearance. Yet those theories were pursued.

Yep, and both Spedding and Savage have had their reputations ruined for no good reason, except that the "theories were pursued". I could name at least a dozen other people who could have abducted him. If they want to pursue FGM's male friend, then let them do so without telling the media!

 

[Angry Red Bull]

If I were SFR and DPP I'd just keep raising charges until you wear the miscreants down

How about improper use of emergency services....the 000 call. 3 yrs or $38k fine.
You made a call knowing the child was dead

I'll keep thinking them up

How about concealing a child abuse offence..

FF was there when FD was kicked and didn't report it.

FM was aware of FF abusing FD and didn't report it


Separate and distinct from intimidation and assault

 

[js47]

Did the crabs ever socialise with the FGM? She may have mentioned Fosters coming up. She mentioned that he D Was going to adopt to another neighbour.

 

[Wallace52]

How about concealing a child abuse offence..

FF was there when FD was kicked and didn't report it.

FM was aware of FF abusing FD and didn't report it


Separate and distinct from intimidation and assault

They were not mandatory reporters. Like teachers and nurses.

They should have reported it but they didn’t.

Edit: I’ve since been enlightened that in NSW foster carers are mandatory reporters and have obligations around this.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

They were not mandatory reporters. Like teachers and nurses.

They should have reported it but they didn’t.

No it's over arching nothing to do with mandatory reporting.

I'd have these miscreants in court for the next 10 years until they were bankrupt

The thing is that every single offence we see has another 8 -10 possible charges that can be applied

 

[31550]

They were not mandatory reporters. Like teachers and nurses.

They should have reported it but they didn’t.

In New South Wales (NSW), Australia, foster carers are indeed considered mandatory reporters under the Children and Young Persons (Care and Protection) Act 1998. This law requires foster carers, along with other designated professionals, to report any reasonable suspicion of abuse, neglect, or risk of harm to a child or young person.

In NSW, mandatory reporters must notify the Department of Communities and Justice (DCJ) if they believe that a child is at risk of significant harm. Foster carers can make these reports using the Child Protection Helpline or the Mandatory Reporter Guide, an online tool that helps determine if a report should be made.

Foster carers in NSW are provided with training to understand their responsibilities around mandatory reporting, including recognizing signs of abuse and knowing the appropriate procedures for making a report.

 

[Wallace52]

In New South Wales (NSW), Australia, foster carers are indeed considered mandatory reporters under the Children and Young Persons (Care and Protection) Act 1998. This law requires foster carers, along with other designated professionals, to report any reasonable suspicion of abuse, neglect, or risk of harm to a child or young person.

In NSW, mandatory reporters must notify the Department of Communities and Justice (DCJ) if they believe that a child is at risk of significant harm. Foster carers can make these reports using the Child Protection Helpline or the Mandatory Reporter Guide, an online tool that helps determine if a report should be made.

Foster carers in NSW are provided with training to understand their responsibilities around mandatory reporting, including recognizing signs of abuse and knowing the appropriate procedures for making a repo
rt.

Thank you for enlightening me. I really appreciate it.

 

[stormbird]

So I followed up this by seeing what is written by Overington and Chumley about the Crabbs.
Both have them returning to their home after 9:30am, and then having morning tea on their back deck.
Overington says they remained out there until just before 11 when Mrs Crabb went inside and was preparing some chicken for lunch when she saw a couple coming up the driveway, who she later found out were the fosters. FF asked to search her back yard. so this would be after the 000 call
Chumley says the Crabbs did not see any cars on the street when they left at 8:00-8:30, nor were there any when they returned at 9:30.
Both authors report that the Crabbs heard a vehicle. Chumley says they assumed it was the postie because no doors were heard to open, the turn it made, and the sound of the engine (postie drives a small car, not a motorbike). Mrs Crabb said it was going quite fast. Chumley says she checked with the post office and found the postie had been in Benaroon Drive around 10 that morning.
According to Overington, they were half-listening for the postie because they were collecting the Miller's mail. Overington says Paul Crabb said the car did not stop at the Savages, but at FGMs (48), stopped about as long as it takes to deliver something, then turned around.
Neither author talks about the time of the vehicle exactly. I assume this was only explored at the inquest, years later.
It seems it might have been the postie, or it might have been the FGM backing out of the driveway.
I wonder why SFR never worked out exactly when the postie was in Benaroon Drive, if Chumley could? The postie would also have been able to see any cars parked in the street.
So it seems very unlikely that William could have left the house without being heard or seen by either the Crabbs or the postie.
The only opportunity was in FGMs car driven by FM, and that was what the Crabbs must have heard. Unless the postie took him.

31550, here's your post 1,698 from June this year with a quote from Chumley's book - which doesn't say "postie drives a small car" and doesn't say Chumley "checked with the post office". I think it's more likely that she (rather than Jubelin) is wrong about the postie's time that day, but I'm just guessing.

As far as I've found, no one has ever said what type of vehicle the Crabbs might have heard - which makes me wonder if it's information the police either held back or possibly didn't believe. They released descriptions of FM's reported two parked cars in 2015, and FM's descriptions of the third car was reported from the inquest (I think for the first time?). But there's been no specific description of what the vehicle sounded like to the Crabbs: quiet? rattling? revving? like a small car? large car? van? ute? 4WD? truck?

Your post also has a quote from Overington, in which she refers to the (female) postie as "him", which for me calls into question her accuracy about the rest, MOO.

 

[Awakening]

Well I wasn’t expecting this from the truckie and it gives credence to Ron’s story.

In no way could the FM be described as an overweight blonde woman. She’s always appeared very lean.

So was anyone else at FGMs house? We’ve never heard anything about FM’s siblings.

And round and round we go and still no William.

What an absolute balls up.

Truckie reveals 'suspicious' sight on the day William Tyrrell vanished

A truck driver has told the William Tyrrell inquest that he saw a woman 'acting suspiciously' in a town near where William Tyrrell vanished on the morning the three-year-old disappeared.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Wallace52]

Breach of a legal suppression order or non-publication order is a criminal offence. It may even constitute contempt of court.

The problem is that these orders themselves are often secret, so we don't always know their full extent, who took them out, who they apply to, and for how long etc.

"Journalists" (and I use the term loosely) are generally free to publish what they like as long as there is 'absence of malice'. So unless Box and his cronies have been specifically prohibited from using people's names, they can legally do so, even though it's morally contemptible.

Also I'm not sure that the coronial suppression order is as far-reaching as other more general suppression orders and NPOs which may be in place protecting the fosters etc. The coroner only has jurisdiction over matters relating to the inquest.

I’m not suggesting News Corp should be charged or that they are malicious, but I’m saying the order has been made and they should comply.

It’s not fair just to respect some orders and not all of them.

AFAIK Deputy State Coroner Harriet Grahame made it quite clear so far this week that the suppression orders on the bio family are still in place.

 

[31550]

31550, here's your post 1,698 from June this year with a quote from Chumley's book - which doesn't say "postie drives a small car" and doesn't say Chumley "checked with the post office". I think it's more likely that she (rather than Jubelin) is wrong about the postie's time that day, but I'm just guessing.

I was paraphrasing, not quoting, and yes, I should have referred to that old post. OK, Chumley says 'car' not 'small car'. My own enquiries revealed it was a small car (not a large car or van). Also it was my assumption that Chumley checked with the PO - she says she "did some digging".

 

[stormbird]

News.com.au, 06 Nov 2024

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/inquest-to-probe-day-what-happened-in-hours-after-williams-disappearance/news-story/2f97c656f10125d18c1404173084ed38

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Photographic evidence of child endangerment.. you allowed your foster child Willian to run around FGM yard without proper footwear and in bindi season unsupervised in peak snake breeding season and to be supervised only by an 80 yo cognitively impaired adult in proximity to an 8 metre high balcony while you a made a cup of tea. Or was it FGM that made the tea? Avd allowing him to crash his bike into a bush/ tree

Mmmmmmmm go for the jugular