Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Good point. If there was anything incriminating in what he said, maybe that part couldn't be reported?

Phone pings occur when a message is sent received and also intermittently multiple times an hour by the towers as I understand. So they may be able to tell a trip occurred but not necessarily where. Then Peters testimony becomes important if they cross check the time to her claimed travel ( when she only had one trip) to Cobb & co per her statement. Proving the negative she wasn't where she said she would be at the time of the trip in the only trip she reportedly made.

If so it means it's close too. The reporting is entirely accurate. The traffic flow and logistics of Cobb & co is an extremely poor choice to hide a body. She knows the area..she would hide where there wasn't traffic/ houses etc

 

[31550]

How do we know they weren't near or on Benaroon DR? We dont. FM driving on Benaroon DR was not noticed? The point is, no one else noticed these four cars. So if these cars weren't seen or heard by anyone else there is the likely hood that there were other cars in the area that were also not noticed. Which IMO infers abduction by an unknown person could be a real possibility.

No, because we don't know for certain that ANY of the cars mentioned drove on Benaroon Drive. There is no independent verified eyewitness account of ANY of these vehicles being driven on Benaroon Drive on the day in question. FM and FF SAID they did, but nobody saw them. Crabbs HEARD a vehicle but didn't see it. People were coming and going all morning - the Crabbs, Lydene Heslop, Mrs Savage all left and returned by vehicle. AMS had been out earlier that morning and later was outside having a smoke and saw no vehicles. Lydene was unpacking groceries. Lawnmower man was mowing the lawn. Paul Savage went for a walk. Nobody saw any vehicle driving in Benaroon Drive (unless we accept the FM's account of the car which turned around). Crabbs didn't see any parked cars. AMS didn't see any parked cars.
To me this doesn't prove that anyone could come and go without being seen. It actually reinforces that if someone DID drive in Benaroon, then they WOULD most likely have been seen by one of the neighbours.

 

[Underarrest_]

I would like to assume that that these things were checked before he was brough in as a witness, which would have been very easy to confirm.

I think they’d have an idea of the time. Between Peter and Michelle, they’d know what time Peter went to Michelle’s.

 

[31550]

I would like to assume that that these things were checked before he was brough in as a witness, which would have been very easy to confirm.

Yeah but if they were, why bother even asking him about the other cars - just table the evidence which proves he was on BCR between xxx and yyy and didn't see FM. The DC is cherry-picking irrelevant evidence and ignoring what is relevant.

 

[truecrimepath]

Hey coppers, would you mind telling us what you have and haven’t done?

Do you think they even have a good grip on what they have done. Three different lead investigators; same shit different face. They seem to have done the same search at the same locations multiple times.

 

[Underarrest_]

Yeah but if they were, why bother even asking him about the other cars - just table the evidence which proves he was on BCR between xxx and yyy and didn't see FM. The DC is cherry-picking irrelevant evidence and ignoring what is relevant.

We don’t know why the truckie’s evidence is relevant.
Relevant enough for him to be at the inquest.
Maybe to confirm or eliminate possibilities.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Yeah but if they were, why bother even asking him about the other cars - just table the evidence which proves he was on BCR between xxx and yyy and didn't see FM. The DC is cherry-picking irrelevant evidence and ignoring what is relevant.

In fairness to her it's accepting the full extent of evidence even though much may now be irrelevant..To do otherwise is to cherry pick. Peter thought what he saw was relevant because of a suspicious woman but perhaps it was where he was and the time.

The car heard has been narrowed down to 10.08 to 10.13. ....3 min drive she SHOULD be at Cobb & co at 10.11 to 10.16.

I'm intrigued at how they can be so precise in their timeline..They are working off something

 

[Awakening]

In the 2016 Census, there were 1,141 people in Kendall. Of these 48.4% were male and 51.6% were female.

Are we expected to believe that the truckie knows every vehicle of the people who live there and anyone who might be visiting a local or travelling through for work or personal reasons?

So what if there were random vehicles there?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

In the 2016 Census, there were 1,141 people in Kendall. Of these 48.4% were male and 51.6% were female.

Are we expected to believe that the truckie knows every vehicle of the people who live there and anyone who might be visiting a local or travelling through for work or personal reasons?

So what if there were random vehicles there?

That's exactly what happens in small towns. For instance Ron Chapman said positively the cars he saw weren't local

 

[stormbird]

That's exactly what happens in small towns. For instance Ron Chapman said positively the cars he saw weren't local

He might have thought that, but he couldn't know that.

 

[zedx]

Yeah but if they were, why bother even asking him about the other cars - just table the evidence which proves he was on BCR between xxx and yyy and didn't see FM. The DC is cherry-picking irrelevant evidence and ignoring what is relevant.

But it is very relevant. The point IMO is that there were random cars in the area that were not noticed, so there is the likelihood that there could have been cars on Benaroon Dr that the neighbors did not see or hear. We also dont know if these vehicle did drive on Benaroon DR. No one saw or heard the FM. No one saw the postie?

 

[stormbird]

I think they’d have an idea of the time. Between Peter and Michelle, they’d know what time Peter went to Michelle’s.

But the police might not know when (or even if) FM went driving. If she can't remember a time and hasn't claimed when she would have been in a position where Peter and Michelle should have seen her, it might not matter much if Peter (and presumably Michelle?) claim they didn't see her. She might still have been there, but at a different time.

 

[stormbird]

News.com.au, 07 Nov 2024

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/secret-william-tyrrell-hearing-set-to-be-revealed/news-story/913a24391a9d8f1822b794a7b3c70cbd

 

[js47]

What do you think Kurve ?

A typo or a hint?

• Inquest will examine if foster grandmother disposed of his body

Tragic theory on what happened to William Tyrrell to be examined

The toddler - who was last seen wearing a Spider-Man costume - went missing while playing on the verandah at his foster grandmother's home in Kendall, on the NSW mid-north coast.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I said COs book RC paints female owner of 48 BD in Sep 2014 as a person who is ‘boss Cocky’ ‘her word is law’
She has lived in Kendall >20 years was involved in the local paper. It would be reasonable to think she knew every inch of that place.
She would know who went where and when.
And! She was instigating and fabricating scenarios
He was gone by …
We had this for breakfast..,
Every one was happy (cough cough)
William was …(detail if William’s behaviour)
And this is there rooms
And this is where it happened
And on it goes
I think Female owner of 48 BD on 3014 was sent away to the naughty corner for saying to much and the carers sent pol to tell her to stop talking
Mmmmmm!

 

[Earls Smother]

But the police might not know when (or even if) FM went driving. If she can't remember a time and hasn't claimed when she would have been in a position where Peter and Michelle should have seen her, it might not matter much if Peter (and presumably Michelle?) claim they didn't see her. She might still have been there, but at a different time.

If she didn't drive somewhere how do we explain the warm bonnet?

She clearly drove the car. If it was on the dirt track, it would have been covered in dust. If it was covered in dust and the police didn't notice, then god help them.

Therefore, she drove the car on Benaroon, but no-one saw or heard her. It therefore stands to reason that another car could have done a similiar drive and not be noticed. People who don't want to acknowledge that, have a vested reason to think the way they do.

 

[js47]

Sorry about grammar and spelling working from iPhone.

 

[31550]

In fairness to her it's accepting the full extent of evidence even though much may now be irrelevant..To do otherwise is to cherry pick. Peter thought what he saw was relevant because of a suspicious woman but perhaps it was where he was and the time.

The car heard has been narrowed down to 10.08 to 10.13. ....3 min drive she SHOULD be at Cobb & co at 10.11 to 10.16.

I'm intrigued at how they can be so precise in their timeline..They are working off something

What car are we talking about? The Crabb's didn't see a car, only heard one. No proof that it was FM, but certainly possible. No proof that she went to BCR and not elsewhere. And why didn't the Crabb's hear her return? And if it can be proven to be FM, it indicates the drive was her FIRST reaction to William going missing. This is inconsistent with an abduction - you would dial police immediately and ensure L was safe. And you would drive towards Kendall and the Highway. It's inconsistent with wandered off - you search the house, garden and street first.

 

[js47]

Female carer’s mother had lived in Kendall >20 years never forget that.
Daughter would have gone to Kendall to see her mother so knows the area.
Do you think she never walked along the track/s never forget that.
Male foster carer bragged he knew all the fire trails never forget that.

Did the pol have a search warrant for neighbours house who were away never forget that.

Male carer was out when pol arrived next morning never forget that.

Make carer vomited in bathroom, Ambulance called on night of disappearance never forget that.

Has the pol ever considered Male carer could have moved a corpse?

If so much is kept from the public then the DC cannot expect silence from the public.

But for society there would be no need for an inquest.

 

[31550]

Therefore, she drove the car on Benaroon, but no-one saw or heard her. It therefore stands to reason that another car could have done a similiar drive and not be noticed.

Unless the Crabb's did hear her. They each reported different times. Maybe one heard her leave, one heard her return. This way every car entering or leaving Benaroon is accounted for.

 

[truecrimepath]

If she didn't drive somewhere how do we explain the warm bonnet?

She clearly drove the car. If it was on the dirt track, it would have been covered in dust. If it was covered in dust and the police didn't notice, then god help them.

Therefore, she drove the car on Benaroon, but no-one saw or heard her. It therefore stands to reason that another car could have done a similiar drive and not be noticed. People who don't want to acknowledge that, have a vested reason to think the way they do.

If the bonnet was warm, it drove more than 2 minutes down the road. Anyone who denies that has a vested reason to think that way. I am not sure I like the word ‘vested’.

Let’s be honest about this. For the bonnet to get warm she drove a lot further than the riding school. No evidence of William was found there. No evidence has been presented that she was seen there.

There could have been another car on Benaroon drive. It does not mean they abducted WT. Think about it, drive to his exact location, abduct him without so much as a noise. Then drive off. Possibly this happened. My opinion is that it probably did not actually happen.

When scenarios don’t make sense as this one it usually means there is something fundamentally wrong with the narrative and time line.

The FGM walkthrough is also all over the place from Breakfast at 8 am. The call to Bill Spedding at 9am. We literally need to go back well before 8 am and see what the real timeline is.

 

[js47]

What W, L, Fc Fc’s mother all started walking along track to cemetery? 4people what if 3 returned?

A wild assumption but see!
There are other scenarios.

If William stayed at the house or next door he could have been carried away. Before pol arrived when Male carer was out searching.

Strange if Female carers father passed away at the house what implication should that be for cadaver dog? Does any one know where he passed away?

 

[js47]

I meant to say William could have been carried away in the night early morning before pol arrived they found the male carer missing.

 

[stormbird]

If she didn't drive somewhere how do we explain the warm bonnet?

She clearly drove the car. If it was on the dirt track, it would have been covered in dust. If it was covered in dust and the police didn't notice, then god help them.

Therefore, she drove the car on Benaroon, but no-one saw or heard her. It therefore stands to reason that another car could have done a similiar drive and not be noticed. People who don't want to acknowledge that, have a vested reason to think the way they do.

But Earls Smother, was there evidence the car bonnet was warm? I haven't seen anyone give a source for that, and if there isn't a reliable source then the idea might be just speculation.

And is there even any evidence that no one saw or heard FM? People keep saying that too, but based on what? The statements from all the neighbours haven't been made public, as far as I've seen, so how would anyone else know what they've claimed?

It's obvious that vehicles can drive around and not be seen or heard - presumably that's the case with most vehicles on most roads on most days - but so what? Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.

 

[31550]

What W, L, Fc Fc’s mother all started walking along track to cemetery? 4people what if 3 returned?

Sniffer dogs would have detected his scent.

 

[stormbird]

What W, L, Fc Fc’s mother all started walking along track to cemetery? 4people what if 3 returned?

A wild assumption but see!
There are other scenarios.

If William stayed at the house or next door he could have been carried away. Before pol arrived when Male carer was out searching.

Strange if Female carers father passed away at the house what implication should that be for cadaver dog? Does any one know where he passed away?

I did wonder whether the plastic bottles on the patio - if they're water bottles - and the hat on the little table next to FGM meant they were preparing for a walk. I haven't seen anything to suggest they did that, though.