Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[Underarrest_]

But the police might not know when (or even if) FM went driving. If she can't remember a time and hasn't claimed when she would have been in a position where Peter and Michelle should have seen her, it might not matter much if Peter (and presumably Michelle?) claim they didn't see her. She might still have been there, but at a different time.

Yes I agree, It might be about eliminating other cars seen along BCR or the blonde woman (although not sure what’s so suspicious about her.)
The police did a road block some time after William disappeared so I’m guessing they were eliminating cars going through the area.

 

[MarkyMark88]

. can't recall how many times the family visited Kendall. yeah right.
. "doing laps of the verandah". Does this mean she let a 3yo run around the high balcony unsupervised while she was drinking tea?

William Tyrrell inquest: foster mother explains the moment toddler vanished in video interview

William’s foster mother is questioned in minute detail about what happened on the morning of 14 September 2014

www.theguardian.com

 

[zedx]

If the bonnet was warm, it drove more than 2 minutes down the road. Anyone who denies that has a vested reason to think that way. I am not sure I like the word ‘vested’.

Let’s be honest about this. For the bonnet to get warm she drove a lot further than the riding school. No evidence of William was found there. No evidence has been presented that she was seen there.

There could have been another car on Benaroon drive. It does not mean they abducted WT. Think about it, drive to his exact location, abduct him without so much as a noise. Then drive off. Possibly this happened. My opinion is that it probably did not actually happen.

When scenarios don’t make sense as this one it usually means there is something fundamentally wrong with the narrative and time line.

The FGM walkthrough is also all over the place from Breakfast at 8 am. The call to Bill Spedding at 9am. We literally need to go back well before 8 am and see what the real timeline is.

This scenario is possible, its not impossible. In a sense it answers why he has not been found. We need to keep an open mind regarding all scenarios however unlikely some may think they are.

 

[js47]

The family knew that area like the back of their hands. They had been visiting for years.
This place is not Sydney. Every one knows every one’s habits. Partner local for a long time parents had a farm went to school there. Everyone would know what trucks were there and for what reason. Bet the FC’s mother did.
There are children living in that street.
Why would you drive past them over all the years and accidentally come across William?
What about the man mowing the lawn? You don’t do that in minutes they are big blocks.
Scratch on hand all the sticks were piled up near the garage?
Nah too many unanswered public questions hope the police have asked them
HG has visited the place please! don’t tell me she hasn’t doubts.

 

[Earls Smother]

Unless the Crabb's did hear her. They each reported different times. Maybe one heard her leave, one heard her return. This way every car entering or leaving Benaroon is accounted for.

Unless...
Maybe...
Nothing is certain though. It creates doubt, which weakens other theories.

 

[js47]

What if the female carer drove to meet male carer to tell him what happened? Wanted to tell him away from L.
The drive had nothing to do with William.

 

[stormbird]

Canberra Times / AAP, 07 Nov 2024

'Accidents can happen': toddler's foster mum grilled

A secret interrogation of William Tyrrell's foster mum has been publicly aired, shedding light on the moments before...

www.canberratimes.com.au

 

[truecrimepath]

I did wonder whether the plastic bottles on the patio - if they're water bottles - and the hat on the little table next to FGM meant they were preparing for a walk. I haven't seen anything to suggest they did that, though.

The water bottles suggest but does not prove hotter weather. It was 16 degrees that day in September and was overcast.Need for water?

3 year olds only walk so far. I think it’s more likely they just got back from a walk. The pink water bottle has fallen over. No water on verandah.

 

[Awakening]

That's exactly what happens in small towns. For instance Ron Chapman said positively the cars he saw weren't local

Yes. People in small towns know cars that are local. But that doesn’t mean that there’s never non local cars in the area. Of course there are.

 

[js47]

Stormbird someone drove the car a distance away, many of us have tested the theory of the warm bonnet. If you have questions test it.
As she was not seen on BCR allegedly by the truck driver,
Then WHO drove the car and where did it go?
That now puts FGM back in the picture as L was to young

 

[Underarrest_]

Canberra Times / AAP, 07 Nov 2024

'Accidents can happen': toddler's foster mum grilled

A secret interrogation of William Tyrrell's foster mum has been publicly aired, shedding light on the moments before...

www.canberratimes.com.au

Ok so a truck driver did see FM?

 

[js47]

TCP the water bottles save the family from constantly filling up glasses these days. Normal practice in a lot of families.
The walk I suggest was just hypothetical. They were going to the cemetery when the male carer got home. That was why they were doing cards.
I would not be surprised if the had planned to walk up the track.

They visited the area often. The female carer’s mother lived there for a long time they all knew the area well.

 

[Earls Smother]

If the bonnet was warm, it drove more than 2 minutes down the road. Anyone who denies that has a vested reason to think that way. I am not sure I like the word ‘vested’.

Let’s be honest about this. For the bonnet to get warm she drove a lot further than the riding school. No evidence of William was found there. No evidence has been presented that she was seen there.

She may have driven further. She may have idled for a fair while to call out the window.
There is doubt, but no evidence of wrong doing.

There could have been another car on Benaroon drive. It does not mean they abducted WT. Think about it, drive to his exact location, abduct him without so much as a noise. Then drive off. Possibly this happened. My opinion is that it probably did not actually happen.

A random abduction will always be a freak set of circumstances. Once again, there is no good evidence either way. Multiple car sightings, but they don't match in a way that would point more in a certain direction. One couple hearing a car turning - we have no idea whose car that was. If it was FGMs car, why would it do a u-turn on gravel?

When scenarios don’t make sense as this one it usually means there is something fundamentally wrong with the narrative and time line.

The FGM walkthrough is also all over the place from Breakfast at 8 am. The call to Bill Spedding at 9am. We literally need to go back well before 8 am and see what the real timeline is.

Your scenario doesn't make sense to most people. Professional investigators have looked at the camera and photo times.
There is something fundamentally wrong with that narrative IMO. Does that make it definitely wrong? No.

By "vested interest" I mean in terms of ignoring or debunking other possible scenarios to strengthen one's own belief in what happened. The total lack of real evidence is unfortunately leaving too many things on the table IMO.

 

[31550]

What if the female carer drove to meet male carer to tell him what happened? Wanted to tell him away from L.
The drive had nothing to do with William.

Then what happened to William? How did he leave FGM house?

 

[js47]

I wonder which track the male carer was on when the police told him not to go there and was it the same track they found him on next day?
Does any one know?

 

[js47]

Then what happened to William? How did he leave FGM house?

He stayed at home

 

[31550]

He stayed at home

But he wasn't there when police arrived

 

[js47]

31550 how thorough was the search of the house on the 12th? And what about the neighbours house?
Did they have a warrant? I would not be happy to come home and find Mr Plod had gone through my cupboards etc.

 

[31550]

TCP the water bottles save the family from constantly filling up glasses these days. Normal practice in a lot of families.
The walk I suggest was just hypothetical. They were going to the cemetery when the male carer got home. That was why they were doing cards.
I would not be surprised if the had planned to walk up the track.

They visited the area often. The female carer’s mother lived there for a long time they all knew the area well.

They had not visited for 7 months. FM did not recognise the name Ellendale Crescent, apparently.
I think FF probably had a good knowledge of the neighbourhood and landscape - just ask him!
FM was pretty vague about that sort of stuff. She claimed she "didn't understand directions" when the coroner asked her which way she turned at BCR, right or left.

 

[31550]

31550 how thorough was the search of the house on the 12th? And what about the neighbours house?
Did they have a warrant? I would not be happy to come home and find Mr Plod had gone through my cupboards etc.

Don't need warrants if the people are home and allow you to search. And if people don't allow you to search it just attarcts suspicion. Next-door neighbours were not home but the house was locked, so William (or anyone else) couldn't have got in or out. Police established a command post from Day 1 and set up road blocks, so if William was in any of the immediate houses he would have been spotted during the initial search (*)

(Of course it seems they left the 'command post' unattended on the very first night and allowed the FF to leave on his own, so it's entirely possible William could have been moved on the first night!)

(*) This is why the suspicion of Savage later on was ridiculous - there was nowhere he could have hidden William from sight on the first day.

 

[js47]

I know it is a long shot but William was not at BCR so he had to be somewhere.
Saying it again IMO that house had a well hidden safe. Built by an engineer, who had lived in the bush in PNG.
I have a well hidden safe my son had a business. Come on I bet you have a place no one knows about for valuables. You are one smart person.

 

[truecrimepath]

She may have driven further. She may have idled for a fair while to call out the window.
There is doubt, but no evidence of wrong doing.



A random abduction will always be a freak set of circumstances. Once again, there is no good evidence either way. Multiple car sightings, but they don't match in a way that would point more in a certain direction. One couple hearing a car turning - we have no idea whose car that was. If it was FGMs car, why would it do a u-turn on gravel?



Your scenario doesn't make sense to most people. Professional investigators have looked at the camera and photo times.
There is something fundamentally wrong with that narrative IMO. Does that make it definitely wrong? No.

By "vested interest" I mean in terms of ignoring or debunking other possible scenarios to strengthen one's own belief in what happened. The total lack of real evidence is unfortunately leaving too many things on the table IMO.

Professional investigators have looked at the Camera and photo times….

Please enlighten me…. What did they look at. What did they find….There is been no announcement that I am aware of.

Manipulation of EXIF is really easy. So easy that forensic experts cannot pick it up when transferring between devices.

Fess up with your evidence. What was found?

My scenario is that it happened earlier than most people have been lead to believe.

 

[Underarrest_]

I know it is a long shot but William was not at BCR so he had to be somewhere.
Saying it again IMO that house had a well hidden safe. Built by an engineer, who had lived in the bush in PNG.
I have a well hidden safe my son had a business. Come on I bet you have a place no one knows about for valuables. You are one smart person.

No open slather at my place
No hidey places.
A lot of people do though.

 

[Earls Smother]

But Earls Smother, was there evidence the car bonnet was warm? I haven't seen anyone give a source for that, and if there isn't a reliable source then the idea might be just speculation.

And is there even any evidence that no one saw or heard FM? People keep saying that too, but based on what? The statements from all the neighbours haven't been made public, as far as I've seen, so how would anyone else know what they've claimed?

It's obvious that vehicles can drive around and not be seen or heard - presumably that's the case with most vehicles on most roads on most days - but so what? Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.

First responder Constable Rowley said it was warm.

You would assume evidence (if it existed) of FM's trip, would have come out at the inquest, as it would have suited the police narrative.

The last point you and I agree on. Others lean in the direction of a random car not being able to drive down Benaroon, without it being obvious to all and sundry.

 

[js47]

The female carer new that area she is not dumb she told the plods the cup of tea was two fingers from the top when she realised he was missing.
Of course she was vague. That is how she plays the game. The male does it tooooo. Listen to his interview where he was that morning. Er um yer er etc.