Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[LRitz]

From what I've read the fire trail was not accessible for 2WD vehicles - I think there were ruts in the track soon after the end of the bitumen near Nos. 51 and 52. But if police are saying FM drove after FF got home, her 4WD might have been available.

We haven't even been told if FM had ever been along that fire trail, though. Hypothetically, if she knew that route she probably wouldn't have attempted it except in a 4WD (so, after FF got home). But if she hadn't been that way before, she might have tried in FGM's car at any time but then had to turn around somewhere near Nos. 51 and 52 (potentially being heard by the Crabbs on their back deck as a car doing a U-turn on gravel). My speculation only, and so far there seems to be no evidence the fosters were even involved, IMO.

The time of the alleged drive by FM is confusing. Is it around ~ 10:10 if the Crabb's evidence is accurate and that was the car they heard ? But there seems to be that it was possibility later even after 10:30, just before or after FF returns. Why couldn't it be the FF who drove the 4WD.

Sorry to go over old ground but do we have set in stone what time FF returned to Benaroon drive? It is known the last phone call at Lakewood, and time to drive back. Was the newspaper stop an estimate or was it supported by any evidence. Could FF have arrived back ant then driven down the State Forest road. Even just a short 5 minute round trip. And be back by 10:35 when neighbours are notified.

 

[31550]

The female carer new that area she is not dumb she told the plods the cup of tea was two fingers from the top when she realised he was missing.
Of course she was vague. That is how she plays the game. The male does it tooooo. Listen to his interview where he was that morning. Er um yer er etc.

Agree FM has rat cunning.
Disagree re FF he is genuinely an idiot (but thinks he's smart).
IMO. Allegedly.

 

[js47]

No William would not go into a house but if the family had a key they could have put him there until nighttime.
I think the police did go in cannot say for sure

 

[Wallace52]

Agree FM has rat cunning.
Disagree re FF he is genuinely an idiot (but thinks he's smart).
IMO. Allegedly.

Yep. You’ve got it. He is not the cunning fox he would like to be. He’s been fooled.

 

[Earls Smother]

Professional investigators have looked at the Camera and photo times….

Please enlighten me…. What did they look at. What did they find….There is been no announcement that I am aware of.

Manipulation of EXIF is really easy. So easy that forensic experts cannot pick it up when transferring between devices.

Fess up with your evidence. What was found?

My scenario is that it happened earlier than most people have been lead to believe.

We don't know what was found because it's nothing that affects the investigation.

Don't you think the camera theory would have been under the microscope in this inquest if relevant? The police would have been all over it to support their scenario.

I agree with a fair bit of what you have said, but not the photo theory. You are very dubious on the abduction theory; me less so. The positions are reversed on your camera scenario. There wouldn't be pages of discussion if there was something bleedingly obvious staring us all in the face.

 

[stormbird]

First responder Constable Rowley said it was warm.

You would assume evidence (if it existed) of FM's trip, would have come out at the inquest, as it would have suited the police narrative.

The last point you and I agree on. Others lean in the direction of a random car not being able to drive down Benaroon, without it being obvious to all and sundry.

"First responder Constable Rowley said it was warm."

Where did he say that and what did he say?

 

[truecrimepath]

We don't know what was found because it's nothing that affects the investigation.

Don't you think the camera theory would have been under the microscope in this inquest if relevant? The police would have been all over it to support their scenario.

I agree with a fair bit of what you have said, but not the photo theory. You are very dubious on the abduction theory; me less so. The positions are reversed on your camera scenario. There wouldn't be pages of discussion if there was something bleedingly obvious staring us all in the face.

In 2019 they said they were unsure at the inquest. Nothing has been released since. Look at digital manipulation of JPeG files. It is very easy to do and is not detectable.

There are pages of discussion on this. Most people do not have the technical skill to do it. I do. Have you looked at the evidence. It is staring you in the face. Don’t equate your technical inability to do this with it being untrue. I am 99% convinced they were not taken that day.

 

[31550]

In 2019 they said they were unsure at the inquest.

Right, and coroner ordered further examination. Don't you think if the further examination found anything material, the coroner would want to know about it right now? No point talking about anything else if the time of disappearance is still in doubt.

 

[truecrimepath]

TCP the water bottles save the family from constantly filling up glasses these days. Normal practice in a lot of families.
The walk I suggest was just hypothetical. They were going to the cemetery when the male carer got home. That was why they were doing cards.
I would not be surprised if the had planned to walk up the track.

They visited the area often. The female carer’s mother lived there for a long time they all knew the area well.

I think your walk to the graveyard could easily be right. I have four children with at least 100 water bottles stuffed in draws.

My best estimate for the date of the photos is when the foster grand father died. I know someone posted grave data. I literally think the children are drawing for the grave. I think the flowers in the planter box are for the grave.

I think the journey happened, just not on that day.

 

[Lady O]

Unless the Crabb's did hear her. They each reported different times. Maybe one heard her leave, one heard her return. This way every car entering or leaving Benaroon is accounted for.

FM could have left BEFORE the Crabbs returned home. Therefore the car heard could have been FM returning (which is what they described, a car doing a u-turn).

 

[31550]

'Accidents can happen': Toddler's foster mum grilled

A secret interrogation of William Tyrrell's foster mum has been publicly aired, shedding light on the moments before the toddler vanished from a rural NSW home.

www.thenewdaily.com.au

A focus of the examination was a drive she said she took to a nearby riding school while searching for her foster son soon after he vanished.

A truck driver who claimed he had seen her on a road near the foster grandmother’s home on the day of William’s disappearance was also being examined by police, Callan said.

Huh? Is there another truck driver besides Peter? Peter said he didn't see her.
And how could a truck driver claim to have seen her, when nobody knew who she was or what she looked like or what car she may have been driving?

 

[truecrimepath]

Right, and coroner ordered further examination. Don't you think if the further examination found anything material, the coroner would want to know about it right now? No point talking about anything else if the time of disappearance is still in doubt.

You can’t determine time reliably electronically and therefore physical examination should have been utilised. The coroner ordered that they be examined by an IT expert. This I am afraid will not give a reliable answer if done and moved to a different device.

You are spot on about the time being the critical factor. Everything else stems from it.

 

[Lady O]

But he wasn't there when police arrived

Um, he was. He arrived home at 10.35ish, ran around looking for WT for another 20 mins or so, then FM called 000 at 11.00ish. Cops weren't there before the 000 call.

 

[Earls Smother]

"First responder Constable Rowley said it was warm."

Where did he say that and what did he say?

I'm sorry I wasn't there when he said it.

It has been spoken about multiple times on here. If it didn't happen I apologise.

 

[31550]

You can’t determine time reliably electronically and therefore physical examination should have been utilised. The coroner ordered that they be examined by an IT expert. This I am afraid will not give a reliable answer if done and moved to a different device.

You are spot on about the time being the critical factor. Everything else stems from it.

Where do you get the bit about "ordered to be examined by an IT expert"?
That's not what I said or what I thought the coroner said. She wanted further examination of the photographs to confirm the circumstances of the timestamp discrepancy and to accurately determine the date/time they were taken, so there was no confusion about timestamps.

 

[31550]

Um, he was. He arrived home at 10.35ish, ran around looking for WT for another 20 mins or so, then FM called 000 at 11.00ish. Cops weren't there before the 000 call.

No. Not FF, William. William wasn't there. js47 said FM went to meet FF and tell him about William. I asked where William was when she did this. How could he possibly leave FGM house if FM didn't take him? And what happened to William that FM would leave him there and have to go tell FF?

 

[31550]

I'm sorry I wasn't there when he said it.

It has been spoken about multiple times on here. If it didn't happen I apologise.

Might be an urban myth. Like 'everyone was happy'?

 

[Earls Smother]

In 2019 they said they were unsure at the inquest. Nothing has been released since. Look at digital manipulation of JPeG files. It is very easy to do and is not detectable.

There are pages of discussion on this. Most people do not have the technical skill to do it. I do. Have you looked at the evidence. It is staring you in the face. Don’t equate your technical inability to do this with it being untrue. I am 99% convinced they were not taken that day.

I've read all your stuff and the effort is impressive. I hope for the case's sake you are right.

If they were unsure in 2019 and still not sure in 2024, then why not? They must have no doubt at all now, or the inquest would have raised it surely?

 

[Lady O]

No. Not FF, William. William wasn't there. js47 said FM went to meet FF and tell him about William. I asked where William was when she did this. How could he possibly leave FGM house if FM didn't take him? And what happened to William that FM would leave him there and have to go tell FF?

Too many stories, getting them mixed up.

 

[stormbird]

I'm sorry I wasn't there when he said it.

It has been spoken about multiple times on here. If it didn't happen I apologise.

It's been spoken about multiple times but so far no one has been able or willing to say where the information comes from. It's obviously an important fact if true - the car's engine would only have heated up if the car had been running - but maybe it's not true.

 

[js47]

Sniffer dogs would have detected his scent.

Concede but I said there could other scenarios

 

[truecrimepath]

I've read all your stuff and the effort is impressive. I hope for the case's sake you are right.

If they were unsure in 2019 and still not sure in 2024, then why not? They must have no doubt at all now, or the inquest would have raised it surely?

You would think so. I sent a more complete document to the Coroner and Rosann last week. It detailed the shadow analysis and anthropomorphic data that I had compiled.

The problem is the police in 2019 said they were unsure and the photos look to have had the EXIF stripped. Why were they unsure? In this situation IT analysis is not going to give a reliable answer.

Looking at the whole inquest this week. I am unsure you can rely on the police to have done what should have been 10 years ago.

 

[js47]

. can't recall how many times the family visited Kendall. yeah right.
. "doing laps of the verandah". Does this mean she let a 3yo run around the high balcony unsupervised while she was drinking tea?
Well she locked l outside when she was 2, and she had probably been going to Kendall for some 20 plus years while her Mother lived there

William Tyrrell inquest: foster mother explains the moment toddler vanished in video interview

William’s foster mother is questioned in minute detail about what happened on the morning of 14 September 2014

www.theguardian.com