Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[js47]

Me too. And I wouldn’t have deleted my spouses text. Jesus.

Maybe she spent the twenty minutes deleting the texts?

 

[Wallace52]

Maybe she spent the twenty minutes deleting the texts?

Maybe.

 

[Wallace52]

I wouldn't wait two hours if I was missing a three year old.

Especially if he wasn’t my child and I was caring for him on behalf of the Minister.

It’s a very serious business to be allowed to care for another person’s child, and yeah I would have liked the FM to call 000 earlier than like an hour and a half since she last saw William. IMO

 

[js47]

What Riding School was ‘Right’ on to Batar Creek Road ?

The Camden Show Society had a riding school / pony club I think at 23 Batar Creek Road - that would be turning Left from Benaroon on to BCR I think.

Turning Left could also have taken her to the Riding for the Disabled at 29 The Old Coach Rd, Batar Creek ( probably a 6 minute drive)

Or is it the Police theory that she didn’t go near a riding school ?

I’m so confused …. even more than usual !

Yes I am fairly sure you turn left

 

[js47]

The cops have told journalists that this is a real thing.

You can discount it but I think it’s true.

I will try CO book

 

[Underarrest_]

I think everyone’s on the same page.
You’d ring straight away if your young child was missing.
My question was why Craddock would state this.
Your child is in danger of anything. Police seem to be onto the 20mins or time not just that FM thought of Possible abduction.

 

[Awakening]

I think we need to discount the idea of a ‘warm bonnet’ even though I brought it up a while back.
I’ve searched for a reference to support the fact but cannot find it.
Can’t find Const Rowley’s complete testament at the earlier inquest
I’ve even looked though old posts where it was discussed, but no one seemed to have a ‘source’ that I could find.

You won’t find it. It was initially tweeted from journalists at the first inquest, but those tweets were subsequently deleted. Warm car bonnet and warm cups of tea. Perhaps the journos were mistaken.

 

[js47]

What ever happened to William the perpetrator/s are the cruelest person/people.


That is why there are so many emotive responses.

 

[js47]

She drove the car so the bonnet would have to be warm
She drank the tea the cup had to be hot
If she did not drive down BCR (because the truck driver did not see her or the car and her was so conservative he did not remember) then did she just guess about a semi. Or was she some where where she saw it? It would have been a low loader if it had an excavator on it.
She must have been able to see BCR.
What do you think?

 

[js47]

I keep wondering did she drive some where to intercept the husband?

 

[shorsky]

I had suggested that the bike riding only surfaced in the WWT podcast. It was countered that it was IN the original statement. Seems that I was right it was only later in WWT podcast..not mentioned by FGM either though podcast says she watched..

Someone had mentioned that bike riding was somehow confirmed at around 9 ish to my saying we didn't know when. If that is correct then they were bike riding close to time FF left 8.40 and FGM seemingly there watching BUT in circumstances she has said he wasn't there at all when she got up. WHAMMY!!!! LIE

I remain convinced FF hit W in his car and he died after 9.2O when they didn't take him to hospital originally.

Whoops 9.37 now lol

SFR subpoenaed that material because it was relevant to case probably to confirm lie.....the bike riding omission

The whole timeline seems to be a total jumbled mess.

I thought FM said somewhere that the bike riding was before 8.00am, she asked FF to watch them riding bikes while she had her shower at about 7.50am.

FF was captured on Tennis Courts cameras not all that long before 9.00am (noting there was something about clock being show or fast or something)

Given yesterday’s confirmation that the 9.37 am time of the iconic photo is correct, it’s not FF there when it was taken, as he’s been confirmed as in his online meeting.


Bit I have no idea how Police think they can begin to solve this without a Correct understanding of what happened over the full timeframe from their arrival at FGM on Thursday evening, until the 9.37 am photo > William’s disappearance > unmonitored trips after

 

[js47]

When did she delete the texts?

 

[js47]

Did they do a search on her mothers computer and mobile?
Any conversation prior to the visit that indicated in any way she was troubled about William?

 

[Wallace52]

I have no idea how Police think they can begin to solve this without a Correct understanding of what happened over the full timeframe from their arrival at FGM on Thursday evening, until the 9.37 am photo > William’s disappearance > unmonitored trips after

It is hard to solve a case when the main players, the main witnesses are such liars.

Maybe that’s why they (the Strike Force Rosann) interviewed 9 family members and close friends of SD to try to see which version of the truth they got served up, and to compare notes.

And we will never know what the foster father JS did on all of those un-monitored searches after W went missing.

They could have hidden 5 bodies and moved them thrice and the cops would never know, because they were given the benefit of the doubt and free-reign very early on, from the get go really.

IMO

 

[shorsky]

How does that possibly fit?
FF text at 10.30
FF home 10.35
FM talks to AMS 10.40
FM walks to bus stop near BCR 300m
Looking for William.
FM walks back to house 300m
000 call 10.57 AMS still in street and visiting Savage.
No neighbours see FM driving despite the whole street now looking.

I don’t think it does work. I think she had to do the drive before FF return / before she spoke to AMS

However, can someone please locate FM ‘grilling’ by Det Jubelin as I’m ( useless) pretty sure he corrected her and told her she did the drive After alerting neighbour.

 

[Kurve]

My question was why Craddock would state this.
Your child is in danger of anything. Police seem to be onto the 20mins or time not just that FM thought of Possible abduction.

I think it's a bit strange. There's a first for everything but if he's going to quote statistics, he might look in to how many stranger abductions of children under 4yo there are, then factor in how many of them are taken from a property on a rural block in a dead end street at 10.00am on a weekday.

 

[shorsky]

I’m lying. I was not there. But I wanted to show that anyone can come on here and say anything.

I’m also blonde, slim and very attractive.

Where were you on 12th Sept 2014 ?

Were you driving a black Camry around Kew & Kendall areas - and drawing attention to yourself as you strutted your stuff in your matching black shorts ?

 

[Wallace52]

A cup of tea is not an alibi, and yet the FM told her family and 9 people close to her that she was making a cup of tea inside the house when William went missing.

9 people.

But I don’t remember SD (the foster mum) saying this on the 10 News podcast with Lia Harris or the previous podcast with Lia Harris, or in the police media interview that was broadcast to the public, the one with her and her husbands face in an ominous shadow.

I don’t remember reading it in any of her police statements.

Why does she have different versions of events for different audiences?

 

[Wallace52]

I think it's a bit strange. There's a first for everything but if he's going to quote statistics, he might look in to how many stranger abductions of children under 4yo there are, then factor in how many of them are taken from a property on a rural block in a dead end street at 10.00am on a weekday.

Thats a very good point Kurve

IMHO: He quotes stats because he’s not very original. No offence to him, but I get the sense that he does not have a lot of original thoughts or insights of his own to offer so he likes to use the words of others to furnish his little speeches.

It’s not laziness, it’s just like a poverty of thought or a lack of confidence in oneself whereby one likes to cling to the writings of other, more learned people.

And you know, a theory is not a fact, as he says.

God forbid you would be in his position and dare to have an original thought or even a theory. William has been missing for 10 years and GC has no theories. No original ideas or thoughts. He’s had 10 years to mull it over, but he’s not prepared to give it a crack.

I would like to suggest that sometimes one is put somewhere as a figurehead. FACS NSW are in deep shit. It doesn’t look good that one of their foster kids has turned up missing for 10 years in a row, and as a result of this the public gets to hear about their inept foster carers again, and again and again, every time there is a court case somehow related to SD and JS.

It is a constant news cycle that implies that this happened to a foster child. He’s missing, presumed dead. Foster child. Skeleton. Remains. Corpse. Foster parents. Eeek!! It’s not got a great ring to it, it’s a very macabre association to be out there in the public consciousness and it hardly puts the right message out to would-be prospective foster carers to put their hat in the ring and sign up. Let alone that another foster child has been assaulted and intimidated by the foster mother of William Tyrrell. Don’t even get me started on how many issues this has caused for FACS NSW. What a shamozzle.

And if it came out that the assault and intimidation were in any way connected to William, in any way; all hell would break loose. So the two situations have to stay very, very seperate.

There have to be some people protecting the NSW Government, and if SD is found guilty of moving William’s body on September 12 2014, FACS NSW will potentially suffer a massive blow. And it will impact the entire NSW Government, and may have an impact on future elections etc.

IMO

So maybe for some, it is best to be circumspect, and just enjoy the fact that there’s no physical forensic evidence and hope to God this just goes away. Because it’s a house of cards and it the FM goes down, Michelle White, FACS NSW, Ben Atwood, and so many other people (some influential and some not) will be adversely impacted, and there are some people and organisations that probably don’t want that to ever occur, because the losses, reputational damage and blow back will be a PR nightmare.

IMO

Here is a bit about Gerard Craddock SC for those who want to know more about this mysterious man of the hour.

Gerard Craddock SC – Maurice Byers Chambers

Maurice Byers Chambers is a forward-looking set of barristers chambers, located in Sydney, Australia, practising in a wide range of specialisations.

mauricebyers.com

 

[Wallace52]

I don’t think it does work. I think she had to do the drive before FF return / before she spoke to AMS

However, can someone please locate FM ‘grilling’ by Det Jubelin as I’m ( useless) pretty sure he corrected her and told her she did the drive After alerting neighbour.

That’s right. You’re on the right track.

 

[Wallace52]

I think it would have been useful forensic evidence to examine the wound to confirm her narrative. Surprised and disappointed this wasn't done.

Super disappointing. I will add this to our list of grievances.

 

[Wallace52]

Where were you on 12th Sept 2014 ?

Were you driving a black Camry around Kew & Kendall areas - and drawing attention to yourself as you strutted your stuff in your matching black shorts ?

Just a thought, maybe the truck driver witness Peter Bashkurt saw the foster mother going to the op shop to get some different clothes to wear because hers had blood or dirt/debris on them or were ripped to shreds in the bush and her washing machine was broken.

Easy fix, just get some cheap second-hand clothes and throw the other ones away.

Op shops have change rooms too, so she could have changed there and just paid at the counter and left, and put her dirty clothes in the “op shop” bin or another nearby bin.

Maybe the truck driver thought she was a bit chunkier that she really was. She had some thighs on her back then and she’s pretty tall.

In the foster mother’s 2016 interview she stated she had been to the op shop before William’s disappearance and purchased foster child Lindsay a gross looking or ugly Barbie doll, so she was well aware and au fait of that op shop, where it was and happy to purchase from their selections of products.

 

[shorsky]

Yes ive looked the whole way down there. I will go again.

IF there was a drive that went that way, I’m unsure why the Police chose that location for the dig - yep, there’s a creek, but why would you leave a body so close to ‘home’. And a creek will carry things - better not to go that way as you don’t know where they might wash up.

There’s so much further distance that she could’ve driven in a short amount of time, either along Cobb & Co, or along BCR. … and there’s bodies of water and forestation along the way.

Even if she only set out at 10.00am, she had 30 mins there and back, before FF got home ( she knew he expected to be home about 10.30 am.) But she didn’t Have to be Back when he got home - if delayed, she was ‘looking for William’

You can cover a fair distance in 10 mins (particularly if you really want to), 5 mins to carry & deposit a little body, and 10 mins home. Leaving 5 mins ( + as FF arrived a few minutes late ) to scream out to FGM that William was missing, retrieve her mobile phone, delete FF message & put the kettle on.

FF arrived home & began his frantic search, as FM ran down the road, saw AMS having a ciggie and alerted her - did AMS look at her watch when FM turned up, to see it was 10.40 am ?

AMS could hear A Man calling William. She suggested FM go down to look at Bus Stop & she knocking on PS door.

I think possibly this is the time FGM went on her walk, wondering what was happening …..she said she saw FM coming up the road, and she spoke to AMS. I don’t think she me up with her daughter at this stage.

FGM then went back to the house to discover FF home & already knew William was missing ‘she must’ve told him’

I tend to feel a bit sorry for FGM, I think she was ‘played’. I don’t think she had any idea that FM took her car. I think it’s quite possible that FM gave her a cup of tea & said ‘Mum I’m just going to …… ( make the beds - whatever) Ar you right to watch the kids for awhile’. FGM settled in to her paper and that was it - until she heard FM yell that William was missing. .. and all hell broke loose.

So that’s me - welcome you pulling my thoughts apart or if you can add more

 

[Underarrest_]

I think it's a bit strange. There's a first for everything but if he's going to quote statistics, he might look in to how many stranger abductions of children under 4yo there are, then factor in how many of them are taken from a property on a rural block in a dead end street at 10.00am on a weekday.

He possibly has. I can’t see why he’d separate that from any other risk though. When I was younger my friend’s three year old brother escaped out the back door. They lived on a semi rural property. They searched everywhere for ages before they finally phoned police. Sadly, he’d wandered down to a nearby creek and drowned.
My friend’s family would be one of those Craddock has mentioned.
There’s a point about why FM didn’t phone earlier, suspecting abduction or any other risk. (FF had checked a neighbours pool)
I think there’s more to the line of questioning.
Maybe something to do with timing of the car the Crabbs heard or the text from FF.
IMOO

 

[craffles]

Any cliff notes from the last week? This thread is moving so quick