Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[shorsky]

Grief can manifest in different ways. Everyone is different. That said, about 10% only carry grief of a lost partner for life..94% carry grief of a lost child. More profound but less as non biological parent imo.. When you listen to Peter Hyatt he makes some interesting observations about parent perpetrators of children who died..he says often they try to explain problems with the child in subtle ways as though it softens their role..things like....
he was was too hard to handle or oppositional..etc ....their role becomes explicable almost in context. There is also often misdirection of the grief at what THEY the parent are experiencing rather than what peril the child is experiencing..Subtle changes but important. I've listened to her many times. Her grief is profound but I admit more often than not it's what she is experiencing rather than what W is/ was. Just my personal opinion. But cunning and manipulative as ever she knows how she should respond so tries

As someone who has lost a child, I can tell you that the grief never leaves you. I also know there are others here who have sadly had to endure the same pain. We do learn to carry on, but we never forget, and sometimes, out of the blue, some triggers make it very difficult to remain stoic, even after the longest of time.
So I can’t begin to imagine what it must be like to have a child simply ‘disappear’. There’s no answers & no chance for closure nor acceptance..

Yet, as difficult as it is to conceive, we also know that there are people, including mothers, who are just not made the same way. We see & hear the evidence of those ‘parent perpetrators’ who appear to have a ‘me first’ attitude in regards to their children, and find it an easy solution to rid themselves of the burdensome responsibilities in murderous ways. Oh, they present with all the grief and concern ( we see it also with partner murders) but it’s usually recognised as ‘hollow’.

I’ll be honest, personally from day dot & with no preconceived thoughts at all of her possible involvement ( I initially thought William had been abducted) I’ve struggled with the FM demeanour in interviews / TV etc. I felt her to be disingenuous; to be controlling the narrative as opposed to someone who was struggling to comprehend what had happened & was desperately searching for answers to the disappearance of this little boy who she purported to Love ( despite telling the case manager a short time prior that she was ( to the effect ) at her wits end with him - and yes we all have bad days but he had literally just turned 3 !)

I wonder if it’s this that SFR have tapped into with FM. … all their analytics etc point to her, but they just can’t Pin It - so have come up with this bizarre theory! Which they can’t even find evidence to support…. and that in itself is quite ridiculous.

 

[shorsky]

I’m trying to work out why FM was asked why she waited 20 minutes to phone 000, when originally it was said that the normal time is two hours.

I’ve seen this 2 hr stat, but no way would I wait that long

 

[shorsky]

The cops have told journalists that this is a real thing.

You can discount it but I think it’s true.

Hey Wallace, can you find any MSM reporting of the fact ?
If so I’ll be most grateful as I’ve considered this to be true for years, but now cannot substantiate from the multitude of rumours that abound.

 

[js47]

As someone who has lost a child, I can tell you that the grief never leaves you. I also know there are others here who have sadly had to endure the same pain. We do learn to carry on, but we never forget, and sometimes, out of the blue, some triggers make it very difficult to remain stoic, even after the longest of time.
So I can’t begin to imagine what it must be like to have a child simply ‘disappear’. There’s no answers & no chance for closure nor acceptance..

Yet, as difficult as it is to conceive, we also know that there are people, including mothers, who are just not made the same way. We see & hear the evidence of those ‘parent perpetrators’ who appear to have a ‘me first’ attitude in regards to their children, and find it an easy solution to rid themselves of the burdensome responsibilities in murderous ways. Oh, they present with all the grief and concern ( we see it also with partner murders) but it’s usually recognised as ‘hollow’.

I’ll be honest, personally from day dot & with no preconceived thoughts at all of her possible involvement ( I initially thought William had been abducted) I’ve struggled with the FM demeanour in interviews / TV etc. I felt her to be disingenuous; to be controlling the narrative as opposed to someone who was struggling to comprehend what had happened & was desperately searching for answers to the disappearance of this little boy who she purported to Love ( despite telling the case manager a short time prior that she was ( to the effect ) at her wits end with him - and yes we all have bad days but he had literally just turned 3 !)

I wonder if it’s this that SFR have tapped into with FM. … all their analytics etc point to her, but they just can’t Pin It - so have come up with this bizarre theory! Which they can’t even find evidence to support…. and that in itself is quite ridiculous.

Oh SHORSKY so sorry to hear about your loss. I too have lost my child and the first feeling I felt was suffocation I could not breathe I felt numb for days. I could not function let alone make up stories. The phone call to police did it for me. And to me every ambiguous word spoken since.

 

[shorsky]

Also pools, baths, creeks, bush land, traffic, accident and yet Craddock said the average time is 2 hours.

Uumm .. . I’m not too enthusiastic about Craddock (not that my opinion counts )

 

[shorsky]

Yes I am fairly sure you turn left

Thanks - so why was FM corrected and told the riding school was Right ?

 

[shorsky]

You won’t find it. It was initially tweeted from journalists at the first inquest, but those tweets were subsequently deleted. Warm car bonnet and warm cups of tea. Perhaps the journos were mistaken.

Thank you Awaking. Somewhere in the back of my mind I thought that. .. but a weird thing to be ‘mistaken’ about. I wonder were these tweets deleted around the time that documents & TV interviews were quarantined?

 

[js47]

A cup of tea is not an alibi, and yet the FM told her family and 9 people close to her that she was making a cup of tea inside the house when William went missing.

9 people.

But I don’t remember SD (the foster mum) saying this on the 10 News podcast with Lia Harris or the previous podcast with Lia Harris, or in the police media interview that was broadcast to the public, the one with her and her husbands face in an ominous shadow.

I don’t remember reading it in any of her police statements.

Why does she have different versions of events for different audiences?

My blood boils.

 

[Awakening]

It is hard to solve a case when the main players, the main witnesses are such liars.

Maybe that’s why they (the Strike Force Rosann) interviewed 9 family members and close friends of SD to try to see which version of the truth they got served up, and to compare notes.

And we will never know what the foster father JS did on all of those un-monitored searches after W went missing.

They could have hidden 5 bodies and moved them thrice and the cops would never know, because they were given the benefit of the doubt and free-reign very early on, from the get go really.

IMO

Rowley also testified at the first inquest that the 'whole house' search didn't include the roof space or the garage reasoning that they were too difficult for a 3 year old to access on his own.

 

[shorsky]

A cup of tea is not an alibi, and yet the FM told her family and 9 people close to her that she was making a cup of tea inside the house when William went missing.

9 people.

But I don’t remember SD (the foster mum) saying this on the 10 News podcast with Lia Harris or the previous podcast with Lia Harris, or in the police media interview that was broadcast to the public, the one with her and her husbands face in an ominous shadow.

I don’t remember reading it in any of her police statements.

Why does she have different versions of events for different audiences?

I think there’s been variations of the ‘tea story’, who was making the tea, when was the tea made etc.

Personally there’s possibly truth in what FM says :

I think she took all the photos but couldn’t contain William any longer - no surprise to me. He’s a little boy & wants to do boy things, not be cooped up on the patio colouring in!

So pretty much at 9.38 / .39 William has jumped off the patio to play, and FM has gone inside to make a cup of tea.

Teas made, she brings them out to patio and sits chatting with her mother ( I really want to know Absolutely & Positively, whether L was playing with William at this point)

Time goes by quickly in a conversation. I think it’s quite reasonable to assume that 15 or so minutes passed before it suddenly registered that she couldn’t hear him. …. It’s after this I think any skulduggery came into play.

 

[js47]

Just a thought, maybe the truck driver witness Peter Bashkurt saw the foster mother going to the op shop to get some different clothes to wear because hers had blood or dirt/debris on them or were ripped to shreds in the bush and her washing machine was broken.

Easy fix, just get some cheap second-hand clothes and throw the other ones away.

Op shops have change rooms too, so she could have changed there and just paid at the counter and left, and put her dirty clothes in the “op shop” bin or another nearby bin.

Maybe the truck driver thought she was a bit chunkier that she really was. She had some thighs on her back then and she’s pretty tall.

In the foster mother’s 2016 interview she stated she had been to the op shop before William’s disappearance and purchased foster child Lindsay a gross looking or ugly Barbie doll, so she was well aware and au fait of that op shop, where it was and happy to purchase from their selections of products.

I bet she went there in disguise.
How odd she bought her a Barbie? I would have thought it would be more like a Wonder Woman suit little me.
Did she get the idea of travelling light from Lee Child. Wonder if she picked up a second hand tooth brush?

 

[js47]

Rowley also testified at the first inquest that the 'whole house' search didn't include the roof space or the garage reasoning that they were too difficult for a 3 year old to access on his own.

I am not going to say one word.

 

[shorsky]

There have to be some people protecting the NSW Government, and if SD is found guilty of moving William’s body on September 12 2014, FACS NSW will potentially suffer a massive blow. And it will impact the entire NSW Government, and may have an impact on future elections etc.

IMO

So maybe for some, it is best to be circumspect, and just enjoy the fact that there’s no physical forensic evidence and hope to God this just goes away. Because it’s a house of cards and it the FM goes down, Michelle White, FACS NSW, Ben Atwood, and so many other people (some influential and some not) will be adversely impacted, and there are some people and organisations that probably don’t want that to ever occur, because the losses, reputational damage and blow back will be a PR nightmare.

IMO

Here is a bit about Gerard Craddock SC for those who want to know more about this mysterious man of the hour.

Gerard Craddock SC – Maurice Byers Chambers

Maurice Byers Chambers is a forward-looking set of barristers chambers, located in Sydney, Australia, practising in a wide range of specialisations.

mauricebyers.com

So very insightful & well written. . I hope the fact that I ‘snipped’ is ok.

I also hope that you’re wrong, while I admit that almost from the outset I puzzled over the ‘media involvement’ and perhaps the reach of the FP’s associations. This week’s inquest had me questioning from the start whether it reached as high as the coronial courts !
So then I question myself - but something doesn’t feel right.

A little boy’s life cannot be allowed to simple be ego driven collateral damage. I hope there’s someone here who has access to ‘powerful people’ so this possibility can be thoroughly checked.

Re Craddock - his site tells a good story, he’s a master of manner things ( or is that a Jack-of-all-Trades, Master of None ?)

I’ve witnessed over my working life that it’s the best story tellers who get the adulation / promotions, not the ones who the job correctly - or even the ones who do the job!

 

[js47]

IF there was a drive that went that way, I’m unsure why the Police chose that location for the dig - yep, there’s a creek, but why would you leave a body so close to ‘home’. And a creek will carry things - better not to go that way as you don’t know where they might wash up.

There’s so much further distance that she could’ve driven in a short amount of time, either along Cobb & Co, or along BCR. … and there’s bodies of water and forestation along the way.

Even if she only set out at 10.00am, she had 30 mins there and back, before FF got home ( she knew he expected to be home about 10.30 am.) But she didn’t Have to be Back when he got home - if delayed, she was ‘looking for William’

You can cover a fair distance in 10 mins (particularly if you really want to), 5 mins to carry & deposit a little body, and 10 mins home. Leaving 5 mins ( + as FF arrived a few minutes late ) to scream out to FGM that William was missing, retrieve her mobile phone, delete FF message & put the kettle on.

FF arrived home & began his frantic search, as FM ran down the road, saw AMS having a ciggie and alerted her - did AMS look at her watch when FM turned up, to see it was 10.40 am ?

AMS could hear A Man calling William. She suggested FM go down to look at Bus Stop & she knocking on PS door.

I think possibly this is the time FGM went on her walk, wondering what was happening …..she said she saw FM coming up the road, and she spoke to AMS. I don’t think she me up with her daughter at this stage.

FGM then went back to the house to discover FF home & already knew William was missing ‘she must’ve told him’

I tend to feel a bit sorry for FGM, I think she was ‘played’. I don’t think she had any idea that FM took her car. I think it’s quite possible that FM gave her a cup of tea & said ‘Mum I’m just going to …… ( make the beds - whatever) Ar you right to watch the kids for awhile’. FGM settled in to her paper and that was it - until she heard FM yell that William was missing. .. and all hell broke loose.

So that’s me - welcome you pulling my thoughts apart or if you can add more

BU GEORGE I THINK YOU’V GOT IT
AT LAST A TIME LINE MAKES SENSE IT DOESNT MATTA IF IT IS THE TRUTH AT LEAST IT MAKES SENSE. BETTER THAN HERS

 

[shorsky]

Just a thought, maybe the truck driver witness Peter Bashkurt saw the foster mother going to the op shop to get some different clothes to wear because hers had blood or dirt/debris on them or were ripped to shreds in the bush and her washing machine was broken.

Easy fix, just get some cheap second-hand clothes and throw the other ones away.

Op shops have change rooms too, so she could have changed there and just paid at the counter and left, and put her dirty clothes in the “op shop” bin or another nearby bin.

Maybe the truck driver thought she was a bit chunkier that she really was. She had some thighs on her back then and she’s pretty tall.

In the foster mother’s 2016 interview she stated she had been to the op shop before William’s disappearance and purchased foster child Lindsay a gross looking or ugly Barbie doll, so she was well aware and au fait of that op shop, where it was and happy to purchase from their selections of products.

Really? I wasn’t aware of that. How did the subject of that Op Shop come up in her interview? And When did she purchase said Barbie doll for L ?

 

[js47]

He possibly has. I can’t see why he’d separate that from any other risk though. When I was younger my friend’s three year old brother escaped out the back door. They lived on a semi rural property. They searched everywhere for ages before they finally phoned police. Sadly, he’d wandered down to a nearby creek and drowned.
My friend’s family would be one of those Craddock has mentioned.
There’s a point about why FM didn’t phone earlier, suspecting abduction or any other risk. (FF had checked a neighbours pool)
I think there’s more to the line of questioning.
Maybe something to do with timing of the car the Crabbs heard or the text from FF.
IMOO

to you and your friends family

 

[shorsky]

Oh SHORSKY so sorry to hear about your loss. I too have lost my child and the first feeling I felt was suffocation I could not breathe I felt numb for days. I could not function let alone make up stories. The phone call to police did it for me. And to me every ambiguous word spoken since.

oh dear js47, my heart aches for you, and words are inadequate. Take good care of yourself

 

[js47]

Thanks - so why was FM corrected and told the riding school was Right ?

Because she has told so many lies she cannot remember what lie she has told to which person so I guess he had to remind her.

 

[shorsky]

He possibly has. I can’t see why he’d separate that from any other risk though. When I was younger my friend’s three year old brother escaped out the back door. They lived on a semi rural property. They searched everywhere for ages before they finally phoned police. Sadly, he’d wandered down to a nearby creek and drowned.
My friend’s family would be one of those Craddock has mentioned.
There’s a point about why FM didn’t phone earlier, suspecting abduction or any other risk. (FF had checked a neighbours pool)
I think there’s more to the line of questioning.
Maybe something to do with timing of the car the Crabbs heard or the text from FF.
IMOO

My love and prayers go to your friend & their family. What a tragic situation they had to deal with.

 

[BFew]

Maybe she spent the twenty minutes deleting the texts?

I heard the NSW CC grilled her on why she deleted at least one text the day William is reported to have gone missing (the one from the the FF saying he would be home in 5 minutes).

 

[BFew]

I wouldn't wait two hours if I was missing a three year old.

I'd have been calling Michelle White pretty quickly too (multi-tasking whilst looking for William). But only after first calling and texting my wife/husband multiple times, and the Police.

 

[BFew]

My question was why Craddock would state this.
Your child is in danger of anything. Police seem to be onto the 20mins or time not just that FM thought of Possible abduction.

Maybe Maths is not Craddock's strong point.

 

[Lady O]

IF there was a drive that went that way, I’m unsure why the Police chose that location for the dig - yep, there’s a creek, but why would you leave a body so close to ‘home’. And a creek will carry things - better not to go that way as you don’t know where they might wash up.

There’s so much further distance that she could’ve driven in a short amount of time, either along Cobb & Co, or along BCR. … and there’s bodies of water and forestation along the way.

Even if she only set out at 10.00am, she had 30 mins there and back, before FF got home ( she knew he expected to be home about 10.30 am.) But she didn’t Have to be Back when he got home - if delayed, she was ‘looking for William’

You can cover a fair distance in 10 mins (particularly if you really want to), 5 mins to carry & deposit a little body, and 10 mins home. Leaving 5 mins ( + as FF arrived a few minutes late ) to scream out to FGM that William was missing, retrieve her mobile phone, delete FF message & put the kettle on.

FF arrived home & began his frantic search, as FM ran down the road, saw AMS having a ciggie and alerted her - did AMS look at her watch when FM turned up, to see it was 10.40 am ?

AMS could hear A Man calling William. She suggested FM go down to look at Bus Stop & she knocking on PS door.

I think possibly this is the time FGM went on her walk, wondering what was happening …..she said she saw FM coming up the road, and she spoke to AMS. I don’t think she me up with her daughter at this stage.

FGM then went back to the house to discover FF home & already knew William was missing ‘she must’ve told him’

I tend to feel a bit sorry for FGM, I think she was ‘played’. I don’t think she had any idea that FM took her car. I think it’s quite possible that FM gave her a cup of tea & said ‘Mum I’m just going to …… ( make the beds - whatever) Ar you right to watch the kids for awhile’. FGM settled in to her paper and that was it - until she heard FM yell that William was missing. .. and all hell broke loose.

So that’s me - welcome you pulling my thoughts apart or if you can add more

The carport is just next to the verandah where FGM was sitting. I don't think she would have missed FM taking her car.

 

[31550]

Thanks - so why was FM corrected and told the riding school was Right ?

From Chumley's book:

To pinpoint distances and directions, Mr Craddock asked Anna which way she’d turned onto Batar Creek Road. Initially, she said left, toward the Riding for the Disabled centre. But that landmark lies to the south, a right turn. Anna became flustered, telling our learned friend she wasn’t good with compass point directions.

Mr Craddock replied in a measured tone,‘I’m simply asking you to indicate whether you turned left or right.’

Riding for the Disabled was a RIGHT turn onto BCR.

 

[Lady O]

From Chumley's book:

To pinpoint distances and directions, Mr Craddock asked Anna which way she’d turned onto Batar Creek Road. Initially, she said left, toward the Riding for the Disabled centre. But that landmark lies to the south, a right turn. Anna became flustered, telling our learned friend she wasn’t good with compass point directions.

Mr Craddock replied in a measured tone,‘I’m simply asking you to indicate whether you turned left or right.’

Riding for the Disabled was a RIGHT turn onto BCR.

Of course it's right. What's all the BS about turning left?