Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[31550]

Yes and the only charge they could raise from that was lying or not telling the truth, for which she was acquitted. The only option they had for a charge.

Perhaps putting her back on the stand in the Coroners court will be to examine evidence they pulled from her through the Crime Commission hearings.

A bit hard when the best the NSWCC could elicit was "I can't remember" or "I don't know why I said that"

 

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With respect K that's not correct. You can post a link to an entire article because linking isn't considered a copyright activity. Please check that I'm correct on that point to satisfy on behalf of the board. .I've already checked myself

 

[31550]

Well for starters they did a reenactment of her drive, but I don't recall the date.

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Who is they?

 

[Kurve]

With respect K that's not correct. You can post a link to an entire article because linking isn't considered a copyright activity. Please check that I'm correct on that point to satisfy on behalf of the board. .I've already checked myself

Of course you can link to the entire article, you just can't copy and paste the whole thing in here.

 

[alwaysintrigued]

Who is they?

The NSWPF

 

[Awakening]

Maybe FM didn’t go on a drive to find William.

Maybe she borrowed FGM’s car to pick up some more tea bags and ran William over.

 

[31550]

The NSWPF

We have already established that the coroner does not accept the NSWPF theory so that is irrelevant
I want to know what the coroner has done to establish a timeline for the drive.
Because I haven't seen anything.
Is the coroner interested in this or not?
What part of Craddocks song and dance focussed on the drive and it's timeline, if any?

 

[Awakening]

We have already established that the coroner does not accept the NSWPF theory so that is irrelevant
I want to know what the coroner has done to establish a timeline for the drive.
Because I haven't seen anything.
Is the coroner interested in this or not?
What part of Craddocks song and dance focussed on the drive and it's timeline, if any?

What do you mean hasn’t accepted the police theory? We don’t know what the coroner has accepted yet. That won’t be known until she delivers her findings.

 

[31550]

Maybe FM didn’t go on a drive to find William.

Maybe she borrowed FGM’s car to pick up some more tea bags and ran William over.

Maybe FGM took William off for a drive and lost him? FGM seemed to be unable to account for her own movements at the time of the drive. And FM was too busy going up and down Benaroon drive on foot with Sharpley to have made the drive when the police think she did.
That's why FGM didn't know where FD was, or which way she "would have gone", and why FGM says she spoke to Sharpley, but Sharpley never mentioned speaking to FGM?
After all it was her car.

 

[31550]

What do you mean hasn’t accepted the police theory? We don’t know what the coroner has accepted yet. That won’t be known until she delivers her findings.

Well it's not my position but other posters are suggesting the coroner knows better than Lonergan and that's why they won't allow him to give evidence.

 

[Kurve]

Well it's not my position but other posters are suggesting the coroner knows better than Lonergan and that's why they won't allow him to give evidence.

He's given evidence in what was handed to the Coroner, she's redacted some of it. We don't know what she'll take in to consideration.

I hope the FM takes the stand again, as requested.

 

[InTheBleachers]

Why not just get to the point then? We just wasted a week IMO. Got nowhere.

They showed that at least 4 vehicles were in the area at the time that WT went missing. A truck, a BMW, a ute, a black camry.

They listened to the grilling of the FM at the crime commission hearing.

They showed a video of the 2021 search to show how intensive it was. Ground stripped bare, like a lunar landscape.

Experts gave evidence that WT's spiderman suit would still be in existence if left at Batar Creek Rd, and that WT's bones would have been caught in the dams if he was washed away into water.

Dog handlers gave testimony and showed maps of where they searched.

They said that no forensic evidence has ever been found.

They said there is no eyewitness evidence of any crime, or of anyone throwing anything from a car.

They told us there are factual times - the photos, the FF text message, the 000 call, the 1st officer arriving, and some facebook things showing certain things were happening at certain times and certain people were where they said they were.

The police analyst said in August 2024 there were more than 700 people who are potential persons of interest, except they changed the name to Persons Named.

Two interviews with an unnamed witness were shown in closed court.

The Evidence | 5 - Witness: William Tyrrell

An inquest reveals what police have - and haven’t - found about William’s disappearance. Witness: William Tyrrell is the new, landmark investigation from news.com.au. Read more and watch exclusive video content here Follow us on socials: Instagram: @newscomauhq Facebook: News.com.au TikTok...

omny.fm

 

[31550]

He's given evidence in what was handed to the Coroner, she's redacted some of it. We don't know what she'll take in to consideration.

I hope the FM takes the stand again, as requested.

What's the point? She doesn't remember. They need hard evidence. Otherwise it's just one person's word vs another. Even if she contradicts herself, it's "I don't know why I said that!"

 

[Kurve]

What's the point? She doesn't remember. They need hard evidence. Otherwise it's just one person's word vs another. Even if she contradicts herself, it's "I don't know why I said that!"

The cops want her up there for some reason, might as well cooperate and do it.

If it can't be proved she was involved at all in William's disappearance, it should be the last time she'll have to do it.

 

[31550]

The cops want her up there for some reason, might as well cooperate and do it.

If it can't be proved she was involved at all in William's disappearance, it should be the last time she'll have to do it.

Cops wanted Lonergan up there too. There must be something they want to present that the coroner doesn't want to hear for some reason.
I don't see any point in calling FM. Just present her various testimonies and whatever evidence you have which refutes it in the brief.
What does the coroner think she can ask that hasn't already been asked?

 

[alwaysintrigued]

We have already established that the coroner does not accept the NSWPF theory so that is irrelevant
I want to know what the coroner has done to establish a timeline for the drive.
Because I haven't seen anything.
Is the coroner interested in this or not?
What part of Craddocks song and dance focussed on the drive and it's timeline, if any?

It wasn't Craddock asking questions about the drive , it was Sophie Callan & Mr Barnes from the NSW CC & all this was played for the Coroner.

I don't know what investigations the Coroner has done on the timeline.

I cannot possibly tell you every question that was asked, & to keep asking me to do so is not fair.

But basically every question that has been asked of this case in the last 10yrs on forums, facebook etc was explored.

She was asked about the drive, the car keys, the searching, the phones, all the morning activities, the cups of tea, the 000 call, the neighbours, the riding school, the verandah, the garage, about where the FF was when she made the 000 call, alot about times etc

 

[Kurve]

Cops wanted Lonergan up there too. There must be something they want to present that the coroner doesn't want to hear for some reason.
I don't see any point in calling FM. Just present her various testimonies and whatever evidence you have which refutes it in the brief.
What does the coroner think she can ask that hasn't already been asked?

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[Kurve]

They showed that at least 4 vehicles were in the area at the time that WT went missing. A truck, a BMW, a ute, a black camry.

They listened to the grilling of the FM at the crime commission hearing.

They showed a video of the 2021 search to show how intensive it was. Ground stripped bare, like a lunar landscape.

Experts gave evidence that WT's spiderman suit would still be in existence if left at Batar Creek Rd, and that WT's bones would have been caught in the dams if he was washed away into water.

Dog handlers gave testimony and showed maps of where they searched.

They said that no forensic evidence has ever been found.

They said there is no eyewitness evidence of any crime, or of anyone throwing anything from a car.

They told us there are factual times - the photos, the FF text message, the 000 call, the 1st officer arriving, and some facebook things showing certain things were happening at certain times and certain people were where they said they were.

The police analyst said in August 2024 there were more than 700 people who are potential persons of interest, except they changed the name to Persons Named.

Two interviews with an unnamed witness were shown in closed court.

The Evidence | 5 - Witness: William Tyrrell

An inquest reveals what police have - and haven’t - found about William’s disappearance. Witness: William Tyrrell is the new, landmark investigation from news.com.au. Read more and watch exclusive video content here Follow us on socials: Instagram: @newscomauhq Facebook: News.com.au TikTok...

omny.fm

Dan Box is a personal friend of Gary Jubelin.

 

[31550]

It wasn't Craddock asking questions about the drive , it was Sophie Callan & Mr Barnes from the NSW CC & all this was played for the Coroner.

I don't know what investigations the Coroner has done on the timeline.

I cannot possibly tell you every question that was asked, & to keep asking me to do so is not fair.

But basically every question that has been asked of this case in the last 10yrs on forums, facebook etc was explored.

She was asked about the drive, the car keys, the searching, the phones, all the morning activities, the cups of tea, the 000 call, the neighbours, the riding school, the verandah, the garage, about where the FF was when she made the 000 call, alot about times etc

What a waste of time. Why is it necessary to spend 4 hours of Inquest time watching a video when the DC could just watch it in private? Just as she has read the police brief, she doesn't have the entire brief read out in court. Just ask questions of the relevant witnesses about the parts which are in doubt. Otherwise accept or reject the testimony and move on.

I asked about Craddock noting he made a song and dance about 9.37 and asked why no song and dance about 10.30 to 10.57.

Your response was that there WAS a song and dance, referring to the 4 hours of CC video. But now we have established that Craddock asked NO questions about these 4 hours, and that the 4 hours shed NO light on the timeline I asked about (10:30 to 10:57).

So I repeat, the Inquest does not seem to be showing any interest in resolving the series of events which fit this timeline and whether it is even physically possible that the FM made the drive in her mother's car in this time period as apparently the police allege.

Again I would suggest that perhaps someone from NSWPOL e.g. Lonergan be asked to detail or just summarise their theory in a timeline so the coroner can make a decision as to whether to accept it or not. (Just as Craddock has done with 9.37).

Or if this has already been decided, how about telling the public what the DC believes the correct time of the FM drive is. This would only take a few minutes.

Or if the coroner doesn't know what time the drive was, how about calling witnesses who can actually help pin it down? Not the FM - we know she doesn't remember. Ask Anne Maree or ask NSWPOL if they have any phone data or independent witnesses (not Peter the truck driver who established himself as a non-witness).

 

[InTheBleachers]

Dan Box is a personal friend of Gary Jubelin.

Does that mean that you do not accept his inquest reporting? Do I need to post all of this same information from the other court reporters in many different articles? I was trying to give an overall synopsis of the week of the inquest, and give a link to it, because some new things were reported.

 

[Earls Smother]

Does that mean that you do not accept his inquest reporting? Do I need to post all of this same information from the other court reporters in many different articles? I was trying to give an overall synopsis of the week of the inquest because some new things were reported, and give a link to it.

You need to present a version that suits what they think happened (the posters), not one that supports an alternate theory of random abduction.

 

[31550]

But basically every question that has been asked of this case in the last 10yrs on forums, facebook etc was explored.

Surely that's a joke?

 

[31550]

It wasn't Craddock asking questions about the drive , it was Sophie Callan & Mr Barnes from the NSW CC & all this was played for the Coroner.

I don't know what investigations the Coroner has done on the timeline.

I cannot possibly tell you every question that was asked, & to keep asking me to do so is not fair.

But basically every question that has been asked of this case in the last 10yrs on forums, facebook etc was explored.

She was asked about the drive, the car keys, the searching, the phones, all the morning activities, the cups of tea, the 000 call, the neighbours, the riding school, the verandah, the garage, about where the FF was when she made the 000 call, alot about times etc

You are describing the Coronial inquest watching a 4 hour video.
The DC did not actually INQUIRE into anything?
Why do they call it an inquest?
Should be called the Coronial video show.

 

[Kurve]

Does that mean that you do not accept his inquest reporting? Do I need to post all of this same information from the other court reporters in many different articles? I was trying to give an overall synopsis of the week of the inquest, and give a link to it, because some new things were reported.

That's fine.

I'm iffy on it at this point, yes. Others may fully trust it but I'm a bit wary.

 

[31550]

You need to present a version that suits what they think happened (the posters), not one that supports an alternate theory of random abduction.

Nope. Just present one that is plausible and fits the (very limited) known facts.