Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[InTheBleachers]

Vis a vis Sunday night programme: That was shown on TV before the suppression orders were issued for the bio family.

And since those orders were handed down, every news company has followed them, apart from Dan Box and his team at Witness.

Candace might have some historical articles floating around from when she was at News.com but since the orders were in place, she and all other Australian journalists have been abiding by them.

*No names
*No faces
*No identifying features

The bio grandma has been named by Dan and Dan has also named the bio father. He’s also said the name of the bio mother what seems like 100 times in that episode and he’s got her name in the episode title, just in case we missed who she was.

He’s also published photos of their faces for the promotional online material and linked articles for the podcast.

If you listen to or view the transcript of Witness Ep 2, it’s all there.

I’m not going to link it, because it breaks the law and I don’t want to share it.

Yes I see, their first names are in that podcast. I don't know then. But I do know they have a senior lawyer overseeing the podcasts.

 

[InTheBleachers]

As long as it takes to say "open finding" is my guess.

Nothing to see here. Move along folks. Next!

The finding will be given in the Coronial Finding when it is published. Not at the inquest.

 

[Wallace52]

Yes I see, their first names are in that podcast. I don't know then. But I do know they have a senior lawyer overseeing the podcasts.

Lisa Wilkinson had an in-house lawyer that was employed by her news organisation that ok’d her Logies speech, and she still was held to account for giving the speech, because she should have known better.

I saw her at the Lehermann defo trial and she really was under a lot of pressure. It really impacted her life and her professional reputation.

It doesn’t matter if he’s got legal counsel, he should know better.

What about the lawyers that work for 9 News, DMA, AAP, The Guardian etc who abide by the order? Are they just being conservative or are they following the law?

I’m just sick of it because it’s one rule for the fosters and who gives a rats about the bio family, which is the whole problem in this case and has been since the start.
IMO

 

[31550]

The finding will be given in the Coronial Finding when it is published. Not at the inquest.

Write "open finding" then.

I don't think I'll bother tuning in to this clown show when it comes back on. I don't find it particularly amusing and I already know the ending. Sorry but I got sucked in by the catchy title and actually expected a real 'inquest'. How silly of me.

 

[Kurve]

I don't understand how the police could have fixed the timing in to a certain slot, timing that has the FM taking the FGM car down to Batar Creek Road after the alarm that William was missing, had been raised. How did they pin the time down?

Why aren't they leaving it open that the drive to Batar Creek Road could have been made before the neighbours were alerted and any time after 9.37am?

Or alternatively, that two drives were made.

 

[31550]

I don't understand how the police could have fixed the timing in to a certain slot, timing that has the FM taking the FGM car down to Batar Creek Road after the alarm that William was missing, had been raised.

Why aren't they leaving it open that the drive to Batar Creek Road could have been made before the neighbours were alerted and any time after 9.37am?

Or alternatively, that two drives were made.

 

[Kurve]

 

[31550]

I don't understand how the police could have fixed the timing in to a certain slot, timing that has the FM taking the FGM car down to Batar Creek Road after the alarm that William was missing, had been raised. How did they pin the time down?

Why aren't they leaving it open that the drive to Batar Creek Road could have been made before the neighbours were alerted and any time after 9.37am?

Or alternatively, that two drives were made.

Because the only people dumber than NSWPOL themselves are the general public who have blind faith that NSWPOL will actually do their job, and are dumb enough to believe everything they read in the media which keeps telling them that there is no evidence whatsoever implicating the FM.

 

[InTheBleachers]

I don't understand how the police could have fixed the timing in to a certain slot, timing that has the FM taking the FGM car down to Batar Creek Road after the alarm that William was missing, had been raised. How did they pin the time down?

Why aren't they leaving it open that the drive to Batar Creek Road could have been made before the neighbours were alerted and any time after 9.37am?

Or alternatively, that two drives were made.

Might be something to do with the facebook activity. Or it might be that someone who we don't know about saw her driving.

Inquest findings are usually pretty comprehensive. It might be written in that when the coroner writes it.

Findings are worth taking a look at to get an idea of what information a Coroner puts in the findings. The Matthew Leveson inquest findings are a good example. I can give you the link if you want to read some of it to get the concept. https://coroners.nsw.gov.au/documents/findings/2017/Findings Matthew Leveson.pdf

 

[Kurve]

You need to present a version that suits what they think happened (the posters), not one that supports an alternate theory of random abduction.

We thought it must have been a random abduction for about seven years.

In the last ten years we've seen a lot of deceit around this case, if posters still have a little faith in where investigators have turned their focus to, it's not a bad thing.

 

[Kurve]

Might be something to do with the facebook activity. Or it might be that someone who we don't know about saw her driving.

I think it might have been the FF who was on facebook?

Another thing the public were angry about was that their faces were hidden and have been since this happened, how were they to be identified and potentially witnessed doing anything if nobody knew what they looked like?

 

[InTheBleachers]

I think it might have been the FF who was on facebook?

Another thing the public were angry about was that their faces were hidden and have been since this happened, how were they to be identified and potentially witnessed doing anything if nobody knew what they looked like?

I don't think there would have been anyone in that small town of 1,000 people who didn't know who they were, or whose relative they are. They had visited plenty of times, and everyone knows or knows of everyone in small towns.

 

[31550]

I don't think there would have been anyone in that small town of 1,000 people who didn't know who they were, or whose relative they are. They had visited plenty of times, and everyone knows or knows of everyone in small towns.

Well that's not true. At least one of the neighbours reported they had no idea who FF was when he wanted to search their property. And Anne Maree Sharpley had to introduce FM to Lydene Heslop. So if the close neighbours didn't know them, probably folks living further from Benaroon didn't know them either. So no, everyone didnt know everyone.

 

[Awakening]

I don't think there would have been anyone in that small town of 1,000 people who didn't know who they were, or whose relative they are. They had visited plenty of times, and everyone knows or knows of everyone in small towns.

This just isn’t true. For years my parents lived in a town of 550 and not everyone knew who I was even though I visited a few times a year.

You’ve also got people who pass through the town who wouldn’t know who they are.

 

[InTheBleachers]

Well that's not true. At least one of the neighbours reported they had no idea who FF was when he wanted to search their property. And Anne Maree Sharpley had to introduce FM to Lydene Heslop. So if the close neighbours didn't know them, probably folks living further from Benaroon didn't know them either. So no, everyone didnt know everyone.

And they reported who they saw. The truck driver reported who he saw. Even Elizabeth Rowley reported who she saw in Kew. Someone reported someone who was standing with his arms crossed at one of Fehon's press conferences. Someone reported a person who was interested in buying the empty lot across the street. Seems like everyone was reporting everyone.

 

[Wallace52]

I think it might have been the FF who was on facebook?

Oh really? Fascinating!!

Another thing the public were angry about was that their faces were hidden and have been since this happened, how were they to be identified and potentially witnessed doing anything if nobody knew what they looked like?

And no one in Kendall really knew about the foster mother’s drive in the Mazda, when and where that occurred or what model and colour the Mazda was.

If they knew they could have helped.

Maybe that is why the FM waited 5 days to tell the cops she went for a drive.

 

[Awakening]

And they reported who they saw. The truck driver reported who he saw. Even Elizabeth Rowley reported who she saw in Kew. Someone reported someone who was standing with his arms crossed at one of Fehon's press conferences.

It’s not just that day though. It’s anyone that may have observed them in the weeks before or after.

 

[Wallace52]

This is the Kendall community’s Christmas tribute for William on the first Christmas after he went missing.

Reportedly the fosters came up to grab the presents they had gathered up for them.

Such a special community that tried so hard to honour William in the best way they could.

 

[31550]

Their take is that one drive was made by the FM and that occurred after 10:30am when the foster father was already home but before 10:57am when 000 was called.

Their take is also that FF was oblivious and didn’t know about what had happened to William.

It makes sense because the FM would have had someone (the FF) to watch the foster daughter.

‘Cause we all know by now that the FGM was a shithouse babysitter.

The problem with this is the testimony of Sharpley who says FM came to her door from where she could hear a male voice calling William . Then Sharpley went down to the bus shelter, returned, got FM, and took her down to Lydene Heslop. A distance of 300m each way. Then FM walked back up, dialled 000 when Sharpley was still at close hand. Then when police arrived FM was in the street. So when was the drive? Doesn't fit.

 

[Wallace52]

Did anyone in the inquest notice this question being asked of the FM?

*How long did you leave William’s bedroom set up after you returned to Sydney in Sept 2014?

*What did you do with William’s
Bed
Toys
Clothes

 

[31550]

I think it might have been the FF who was on facebook?

What, quickly listing some of William's stuff on Marketplace? Makes sense.

 

[InTheBleachers]

The problem with this is the testimony of Sharpley who says FM came to her door from where she could hear a male voice calling William . Then Sharpley went down to the bus shelter, returned, got FM, and took her down to Lydene Heslop. A distance of 300m each way. Then FM walked back up, dialled 000 when Sharpley was still at close hand. Then when police arrived FM was in the street. So when was the drive? Doesn't fit.

I read a post by yourself where you made two references for the drive being after the FM saw Anne Marie Sharpley.

Not sure how to link it here. It is from the previous thread and is post 3822 from March 2022. Maybe this link will work. Yes, it does. I just tried it.

Current - Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include: Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs) Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty 2 x charges of assault...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[shorsky]

Is that the corrected time of the CCTV? I've also seen 08:49 mentioned. I don't believe the CCTV of the time it caught the FF driving past has been said at the inquest.

I believe the original corrected time had FF recorded as passing the Tennis Courts at 8.40 am - at that stage the clock on CCTV camera was said to be 9 mins slow ( and Mr Donahue recorded that he had been instructed same by police )

Suddenly in this ‘episode’ of the inquest, that Slowness has blown out to 14 minutes. …

It really bothers me that there doesn’t appear to be any consistency.

 

[Kurve]

I believe the original corrected time had FF recorded as passing the Tennis Courts at 8.40 am - at that stage the clock on CCTV camera was said to be 9 mins slow ( and Mr Donahue recorded that he had been instructed same by police )

Suddenly in this ‘episode’ of the inquest, that Slowness has blown out to 14 minutes. …

It really bothers me that there doesn’t appear to be any consistency.

It's confusing.

I'd like to know if all FFs movements can be accounted for and if it's possible he went out and came back to Benaroon Drive, to go out again.

 

[Wallace52]

SC: 'Did you decide to take charge of the situation that was beyond remedy and hide his body rather that risk (another foster child) being taken away?' FM: 'No'.

SC: 'Did you decide to hide his body rather than let your mother feel a sense of responsibility for that?' FM: 'No'.


https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/othe...s-after-hearing-secret-phone-call/ar-AA1tF7Dp

I wonder if the police theory is that the foster grandmother didn’t know that FM had allegedly placed the child in the car, because maybe she didn’t want her mother to feel a sense of responsibility for that.

She seemed to be a good daughter, caring about what her mum thought, making her tea - advocating for the washing machine to be fixed.

It’s such a shame that some people don’t have the ability to problem solve in a way that is inline with the law and with community expectations.

Maybe the foster mum was a good daughter and a good mother to William and the FD, and she was faced with an impossible problem and she did what she thought was best for her mum and for her foster daughter…. <don’t come at me, I don’t think what the police have alleged is in any way a moral or proper way to deal with a child accident > allegedly

I feel like there are so many crimes that are kind of a result of being faced with an impossible problem.

IMO

• The Baden Clay case - lover and wife scheduled to attend a real estate conference the next day, can’t problem solve… what to do?
• The case of Tiahleigh Palmer possibly pregnant by the foster parents’ son at a very, very young age… what do we do? We can’t solve this problem…

* …even the Dawson murder case to some extent…
JC leaves him and heads up to Qld with her mates, Chris feels like he has to get her back in his life…. But what to do about wife Lynnette?