Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 2 * FM guilty of assault & intimidation

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 1

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Suppression orders are in force, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
One even reduced bike riding to - BR

 

[Underarrest_]

Peter the truck driver drove down BCR then onto CCR.
In his travels, he said he saw two vehicles along BCR (a Ute and a dark maybe Burgungy/ maroon colour.)
Perhaps we haven’t heard that FM’s car was seen coming up behind him when driving along BCR, but hadn’t seen it on the intersection of BCR and CCR.
Do we know the exact locations of the searches or could some have been Kept out of the media.

 

[Wallace52]

I thought FA had been ruled out. Can’t remember where I read it though.

Yes, he has been ruled out.

 

[Wallace52]

William was in a spiderman suit in the photo (see I did not mention the time).
We can not assume what William was wearing after this. Assume nothing.
No forensic evidence. Maybe they have the wrong crime scene - possible.

Yes, because she went for the drive later it gives plenty of time after 9:37am to:

Remove a costume
Change clothes
Change a child’s clothes

Or maybe he got changed himself at 10:00am, fell off the balcony at 10:10am and he was wearing something entirely different.

 

[Wallace52]

Peter the truck driver drove down BCR then onto CCR.
In his travels, he said he saw two vehicles along BCR (a Ute and a dark maybe Burgungy/ maroon colour.)
Perhaps we haven’t heard that FM’s car was seen coming up behind him when driving along BCR, but hadn’t seen it on the intersection of BCR and CCR.
Do we know the exact locations of the searches or could some have been Kept out of the media.

Candace Sutton writes about 3 search locations but I don’t know where they are.

 

[LRitz]

It says the other parts were delivered Thursday 11/11/2014, but that's wrong because 11/11 was a Tuesday.

I assume it meant Thursday 11/9, which is probably the van that Savage saw in FGM's driveway that day.

I hadn’t heard that BS delivered some washing machine parts later that same day. (of course we know BS is completely innocent.)

You can not just assume that Spedding delivered parts on Thursday 11 September to FGM house in Benaroon drive. This is wrong. It is more likely definitely not Spedding, IMO.

I think you misread the information. It is talking about parts delivered to Spedding at his house. No mention of Spedding driving to Benaroon drive. The "other parts" are also delivered to Spedding's house. Read it again.

" ...Parts delivered to BS house for FGM washing machine ( other parts delivered Thus 11/11/14 )....."

FGM walkthrough says what she did on Thursday. Community Centre, Shopping and home in the afternoon.
No mention of Spedding. She says she's awaiting parts. Why would he drop of parts if he couldn't fix the machine and make two trips.

Savage said he saw a car (I think has previously mentioned ) was a Land Rover. This is not a repair van of Spedding. Savage could be correct, possible . It is possible a 4WD was at FGM's house on the Thursday 11 September. But it was not Spedding. FF has a LandRover.

 

[Lady O]

Perhaps. My opinion is that she wasn't seen because her destination was further afield. She didn't stop there..Straight past perhaps 10 min drive away

Are you suggesting where FA said there was a smell?

 

[Underarrest_]

You can not just assume that Spedding delivered parts on Thursday 11 September to FGM house in Benaroon drive. This is wrong. It is more likely definitely not Spedding, IMO.

I think you misread the information. It is talking about parts delivered to Spedding at his house. No mention of Spedding driving to Benaroon drive. The "other parts" are also delivered to Spedding's house. Read it again.

" ...Parts delivered to BS house for FGM washing machine ( other parts delivered Thus 11/11/14 )....."

FGM walkthrough says what she did on Thursday. Community Centre, Shopping and home in the afternoon.
No mention of Spedding. She says she's awaiting parts. Why would he drop of parts if he couldn't fix the machine and make two trips.

Savage said he saw a car (I think has previously mentioned ) was a Land Rover. This is not a repair van of Spedding. Savage could be correct, possible . It is possible a 4WD was at FGM's house on the Thursday 11 September. But it was not Spedding. FF has a LandRover.

Yes sorry I did misread this. Does say some parts delivered to BS that afternoon.
I was more wondering why I hadn’t heard that before and as I said we know BS is totally innocent.

 

[Kurve]

Are you suggesting where FA said there was a smell?

FA?

 

[Underarrest_]

You can not just assume that Spedding delivered parts on Thursday 11 September to FGM house in Benaroon drive. This is wrong. It is more likely definitely not Spedding, IMO.

I think you misread the information. It is talking about parts delivered to Spedding at his house. No mention of Spedding driving to Benaroon drive. The "other parts" are also delivered to Spedding's house. Read it again.

" ...Parts delivered to BS house for FGM washing machine ( other parts delivered Thus 11/11/14 )....."

FGM walkthrough says what she did on Thursday. Community Centre, Shopping and home in the afternoon.
No mention of Spedding. She says she's awaiting parts. Why would he drop of parts if he couldn't fix the machine and make two trips.

Savage said he saw a car (I think has previously mentioned ) was a Land Rover. This is not a repair van of Spedding. Savage could be correct, possible . It is possible a 4WD was at FGM's house on the Thursday 11 September. But it was not Spedding. FF has a LandRover.

Just want to mention though that people who were persons of interest in the case had or drove different vehicles at times.

 

[Earls Smother]

You can not just assume that Spedding delivered parts on Thursday 11 September to FGM house in Benaroon drive. This is wrong. It is more likely definitely not Spedding, IMO.

I think you misread the information. It is talking about parts delivered to Spedding at his house. No mention of Spedding driving to Benaroon drive. The "other parts" are also delivered to Spedding's house. Read it again.

" ...Parts delivered to BS house for FGM washing machine ( other parts delivered Thus 11/11/14 )....."

FGM walkthrough says what she did on Thursday. Community Centre, Shopping and home in the afternoon.
No mention of Spedding. She says she's awaiting parts. Why would he drop of parts if he couldn't fix the machine and make two trips.

Savage said he saw a car (I think has previously mentioned ) was a Land Rover. This is not a repair van of Spedding. Savage could be correct, possible . It is possible a 4WD was at FGM's house on the Thursday 11 September. But it was not Spedding. FF has a LandRover.

Yes I apologise too. I just followed on from Underarrest's post.

The date Thursday 11/11 is wrong (it doesn't exist), so I assume it meant Thursday 11/9. But yes, to Spedding's house, not Benaroon.

 

[Lady O]

FA?

Abbott.

 

[shorsky]

Are you suggesting where FA said there was a smell?

Was that around Logan’s Crossing ? Opposite direction from Benaroon to Cobb & Co. ( turn L into Batar Creek Rd) but still only a short drive ??

 

[Earls Smother]

Bizarre connection between William Tyrrell handyman, paedophile

A handyman who worked on the home little boy William Tyrrell disappeared from claims a convicted paedophile who lived in his caravan spoke of smelling 'death' in bushland.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I think there was questions about this as GO couldn’t remember. Not sure if it was later confirmed.

So GO rings the house at 48 Benaroon at 9:10, gets no answer. He's been fixing their deck.

GO hangs around with Paedophiles.

GO says he was at the Community Centre, then later changes to "I have Parkinsons, I can't remember"

Foster's lawyer questions him at inquest but he can't remember.

Isn't possible because he got no answer he drove around there to either see if they were home, or check something for the job?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Are you suggesting where FA said there was a smell?

No. I looked at that. It's across town

 

[Angry Red Bull]

So GO rings the house at 48 Benaroon at 9:10, gets no answer. He's been fixing their deck.

GO hangs around with Paedophiles.

GO says he was at the Community Centre, then later changes to "I have Parkinsons, I can't remember"

Foster's lawyer questions him at inquest but he can't remember.

Isn't possible because he got no answer he drove around there to either see if they were home, or check something for the job?

Yes we've discussed all this including the fact that because he had employed FA for a short while he may have rang to advise FA was being sent to check job needs.

FA of course repeatedly implicated GO for the abduction..was that a veiled threat to keep quiet about what the two know about thane call?.

 

[Lady O]

Yes we've discussed all this including the fact that because he had employed FA for a short while he may have rang to advise FA was being sent to check job needs.

FA of course repeatedly implicated GO for the abduction..was that a veiled threat to keep quiet about what the two know about thane call?.

Nah, I don't believe GO would have trusted FA to organise materials for a job. Anyway FA didn't have a vehicle (unless he drove GO's) or a license. GO was using his vehicle that morning to go to Kendall and pay for his advert in the Chronicle.

 

[pinkjellybean]

Hi all. Long time follower of this thread but first time poster here.

In Candace Sutton's article below there is a specific reference to William actually putting his shoes back on:

"Jubelin told her in the interview that the 9.37am photo was 'the last confirmed sighting of William'.

The foster mother said it was after this that William had become bored playing with dice on the verandah and had put his shoes back on and 'jumped down off this deck'.

He was running around in front of us and I remember [the foster grandmother] saying, "Do you think he's got ADD?" and I'm like, "No, he's just excited,"' * FM said.

It was after this that William vanished; however, Jubelin quizzed her about her previous account of events."

This could be inaccurate of course but interesting all the same given WT is barefoot in the verandah photos with his sandals visible in the background, but the FM did not mention him wearing them in the 000 call or in her statement to police.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-account-missing-toddlers-morning-alive.html

 

[Underarrest_]

So GO rings the house at 48 Benaroon at 9:10, gets no answer. He's been fixing their deck.

GO hangs around with Paedophiles.

GO says he was at the Community Centre, then later changes to "I have Parkinsons, I can't remember"

Foster's lawyer questions him at inquest but he can't remember.

Isn't possible because he got no answer he drove around there to either see if they were home, or check something for the job?

Very strange.
Could FA have been mentioning the smell to GO because he knew what had happened?
GO (in his interview) seemed to want FA in the frame.
Hopefully police have checked this out
and if GO was at the community centre.

 

[InTheBleachers]

Do we know what car Owen drove?

At the inquest he said he drove a Mazda 626.

 

[InTheBleachers]

Do we know the exact locations of the searches or could some have been Kept out of the media.

Three areas ... the garden bed under the balcony, the concrete slab in the garage under the house, and the Batar Creek Road area.

 

[Wallace52]

Three areas ... the garden bed under the balcony, the concrete slab in the garage under the house, and the Batar Creek Road area.

Thank you.

I recall the AFP brought in their ground penetrating radar for the concrete slab, right?

Do you know: Did they take that mound of dirt out from under the house? I’ve seen a sniffer dog going over the dirt but I wasn’t sure if the dirt had been removed and sifted through and if the ground under the dirt had been checked.

The underneath of 48 Benaroon Drive is just so, so creepy.

 

[Wallace52]

Hi all. Long time follower of this thread but first time poster here.

In Candace Sutton's article below there is a specific reference to William actually putting his shoes back on:

"Jubelin told her in the interview that the 9.37am photo was 'the last confirmed sighting of William'.

The foster mother said it was after this that William had become bored playing with dice on the verandah and had put his shoes back on and 'jumped down off this deck'.

He was running around in front of us and I remember [the foster grandmother] saying, "Do you think he's got ADD?" and I'm like, "No, he's just excited,"' * FM said.

It was after this that William vanished; however, Jubelin quizzed her about her previous account of events."

This could be inaccurate of course but interesting all the same given WT is barefoot in the verandah photos with his sandals visible in the background, but the FM did not mention him wearing them in the 000 call or in her statement to police.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-account-missing-toddlers-morning-alive.html

Yes so that’s what Dan Box also referenced in his Witness podcast: he said that the FM said William put his shoes on before vanishing.

To add: I purchased similar shoes to the ones that William had on that day for my 3 year old grand child for Christmas (fantastic shoes for swimming lessons and beach play) and gave them to my 3 year old grand child. 3 months later I did this experiment with him and he did not remember to put his own shoes on before playing, even when prompted twice. I had to remember for him and put them on for him, because he was just content to run off with no shoes on.

IMHO / There’s no way that William put his own shoes on before going missing. Zero possibility that this happened. His gross and fine motor skills and speech and language skills would have absolutely prevented him from being able to follow this instruction and undertaken this task independently.

 

[Wallace52]

Are you suggesting where FA said there was a smell?

Might need to put Frank Abbott on the sticky? Kurve

 

[CodyRose]

If where’s the suit

 

[InTheBleachers]

Thank you. Did they take that mound of dirt out from under the house?

My understanding, from real estate photos, is that the garage had been fully concreted over by one of the next owners and there was no mound of dirt there any more. I don't know if the mound had been spread across the floor, and then it was concreted. It was searched with ground penetrating radar in the 2021 search.

Thank you for your politeness this time. It is appreciated.


Detectives are using ground-penetrating radar to examine a slab of concrete at William Tyrrell's foster grandmother's home in the search for the missing boy's remains.

Ground-penetrating radar used on concrete slab in search for William Tyrrell

www.9news.com.au