Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[Kurve]

Yes I think she had knowledge. I think a conscious decision was made to exclude her from picture to avoid becoming an accessory. She was the one who told FF the night before chemist opened at 9. A few days later she tells police that he left to go to chemist before 8 and she wasn’t even up yet despite her having been awoken by the kids going into her room and her usual waking time was 7.30 which she stated in her interview before changing it realising it was a stuff up. Yes I think she lied to be consistent with what they’d told her. She was a very poor liar. Her record of interview is evidence and has been proven he didn’t leave before 8 at all. The fallout she had with FM gives hint of her utter disapproval to be dragged into the situation imo.

People in stress situations can make a mistake with timing or get their words mixed up. It's why you should never talk to the cops unless you really have to and you have a lawyer.

 

[31550]

I've said many times eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
And in this case especially it is all either nonsensical or conflicting with what others have said, does not align with 'normal' behaviour, and often does not align with proven facts.
That is why I think we need to discount ALL eyewitness testimony, and rely only on what can be proven beyond reasonable doubt (not much I concede) as primary evidence - phone records, financial transactions, CCTV etc.
For secondary evidence to have value, if it is eyewitness testimony it should only be considered if

• it comes from an independent eyewitness, preferably multiple sources and
• it can be corroborated by physical evidence or is at least consistent with known facts.

This excludes about 99 per cent of the fosters narrative IMO.

 

[Underarrest_]

Personally I think that if FM was guilty and others such as FGM were collaborating with her, they would have had the story down pat with little inconsistencies.
It doesn’t sit right with me that FGM would purposely lie about what time FF left, given that that it’s been said that it’s unlikely a car would drive in and out of the area without being heard or seen (especially around 8 when most people are home or just leaving fo school, work, etc,) leaving it wide open to be caught out on her story.
In saying that, I wonder if any neighbours saw or heard what time FF left to go into town given that it’s been said that it’s unlikely a car can go in and out of the area without being seen or heard.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I've said many times eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
And in this case especially it is all either nonsensical or conflicting with what others have said, does not align with 'normal' behaviour, and often does not align with proven facts.
That is why I think we need to discount ALL eyewitness testimony, and rely only on what can be proven beyond reasonable doubt (not much I concede) as primary evidence - phone records, financial transactions, CCTV etc.
For secondary evidence to have value, if it is eyewitness testimony it should only be considered if

• it comes from an independent eyewitness, preferably multiple sources and
• it can be corroborated by physical evidence or is at least consistent with known facts.

This excludes about 99 per cent of the fosters narrative IMO.

You will only go up and down on the one spot never advancing. Even Iddles tries to fashion explanations he can then test. You have to do that to advance all the while accepting there are inherent limitations to the choices before testing. We aren’t putting an evidence case together for charges or court. We are merely trying to get to the truth.

 

[js47]

I do not know what actually happened in the early morning.
How could any one stay asleep with people in the house when you normally live alone?
I think Nanna played dogo as it was cold. The kids were noisy listening to shows. FF was up I bet he made breakfast and coffee/tea in the kitchen next to her bedroom.
The kids had a fight over a toy.
The FF was stressed over his calls FM suggest for him to do his thing. From his reaction to FD dragging her feet years later, I think he could be grumpy.
FGM stayed in bed but was awake listening to it all happen. She wasn’t well she was probably stressed over the sale, the washing machine.
Chaos was brought down on that household that day. I cannot judge the FGM’s behaviour or comments but gee you have to feel for her.

 

[Underarrest_]

Yes I think she had knowledge. I think a conscious decision was made to exclude her from picture to avoid becoming an accessory. She was the one who told FF the night before chemist opened at 9. A few days later she tells police that he left to go to chemist before 8 and she wasn’t even up yet despite her having been awoken by the kids going into her room and her usual waking time was 7.30 which she stated in her interview before changing it realising it was a stuff up. Yes I think she lied to be consistent with what they’d told her. She was a very poor liar. Her record of interview is evidence and has been proven he didn’t leave before 8 at all. The fallout she had with FM gives hint of her utter disapproval to be dragged into the situation imo.

I must have missed this. What was the fallout between FM and FGM?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I must have missed this. What was the fallout between FM and FGM?

Unsure of timing but had a falling out estrangement/ argument after WT went missing.

 

[Kurve]

Unsure of timing but had a falling out estrangement/ argument after WT went missing.

My understanding is that they had a difficult relationship but didn't read anywhere, what it was about, when it occurred or whether they just didn't get along and it's long standing.

So are you certain this falling out they had was after William went missing?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

My understanding is that they had a difficult relationship but didn't read anywhere, what it was about, when it occurred or whether they just didn't get along and it's long standing.

So are you certain this falling out they had was after William went missing?

Yes aware of difficult relationship. Yes the falling out afterwards has been discussed previously here on thread. Unsure which version number.

 

[Kurve]

Yes aware of difficult relationship. Yes the falling out afterwards has been discussed previously here on thread. Unsure which version number.

The rift might have been discussed but was there anything in the press that indicated it was AFTER William went missing? Because I can't find it.

 

[js47]

I think it was after Wm. went missing because FGM was talking about William. It probably was because he was a protected child.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The rift might have been discussed but was there anything in the press that indicated it was AFTER William went missing? Because I can't find it.

It was discussed on the thread it happened after. Unsure if links were provided.

 

[Lady O]

The rift might have been discussed but was there anything in the press that indicated it was AFTER William went missing? Because I can't find it.

I don't know if it was a falling out or rift, but FM had supposedly asked the Police (Wendy?) to tell her to stop talking. Whether it had anything to do with him being fostered, or whether she just FM didn't want everything to be discussed around town, I'm not sure.

 

[shorsky]

Shorsky, the current investigators are alleging the following,

William Tyrrell inquest resumes with new details of police theory about involvement of former foster mother revealed - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

Counsel Assisting Gerard Craddock SC's opening address on Monday explored the police theory about the foster mother's movements at the time of the boy's disappearance.

He said the theory was he died in an accident.

"Police assert that she must've quickly resolved that if the accidental death were to be discovered she might lose [custody of another child in their care]," he said.

"Police assert that in that frame of mind she placed William in her mother's car and after alerting [a neighbour] to William's disappearance, drove the mother's car down to Batar Creek Road and placed William's body somewhere in undergrowth and then returned [home] to 48 Benaroon Drive and called the police via triple-0."

Thank you.

- who knows what’s true & what’s not amongst all the conflicting confusion that has surrounded this very sad situation.