Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse

[Kurve]

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[JaimePierce]

Agree re the purpose of the inquest. And the police cannot go to the DPP until they have a brief of evidence which would support a conviction. They would need the coronial findings to support this - unless someone determines William is deceased, there cannot be any successful prosecution of anyone related to such a death.

DCS Darren Bennet said, on the 14 November 2021, "It's highly likely that we, if we found something it would be a body. We are looking for the remains of William Tyrrell, no doubt about that," when he announced the renewed search.

WW website says "Where’s William? is the official website in the search for William Tyrrell." They also say, The police believe William could still be alive! He could be anywhere!" This seems to be a disconnect?

WW website also claims they act "With the support of the Daniel Morcombe Foundation, and working in collaboration with the NSW Police Force and with the support of the Australian Federal Police and Crime Stoppers" . This seems to be incorrect. They no longer have support of DMF, and seem to be at odds with NSW Police.

There is also the constant reference to the foster family on the WW website as 'William's Mummy and Daddy' with no acknowledgement that William was in fact in foster care, and that these people are not in fact William's biological family. There is no recognition or acknowledgement of William's biological family. I find this to be quite misleading.

It is not a crime to mislead the public, and the misinformation may be innocent, accidental and unintentional.


31550:
“It would be a crime if funds were collected under false pretenses, however. (I'm not alleging this is the case). Yes, if the public are ready and willing to donate to a particular cause, then that is their own concern, but if false and misleading claims are being made to get them to do so, then I think there's a problem.”

I don’t think the public are able to donate to the Where’s William? Organisation at the present moment. There’s no link on the WW website to enable consumers to donate. And AFAIK they are not currently selling Where’s William merchandise. (But they did.)

However - it is interesting that despite this article being published in early December 2022,

< “ Huge blow in the search for the boy in the SpiderMan suit as high-profile charity pulls its support for 'Where's William Tyrrell' campaign after charges were laid against the missing toddler's foster mother”

Daniel Morecombe's parents cut ties with William Tyrrell charity. >


.....the logo of the D M F and hyperlink to the D M F are still live on the WW website.

Donations

www.whereswilliam.org

What are people’s thoughts on this? The senior detectives in the Strike Force have said both in court evidence and in press/media conferences that they “know” William is deceased but it hasn’t been ruled on by the Coroner as the Inquest has not yet resumed after its long hiatus.

As mentioned in the DM article, Clare Collins still believes William to be (gulp) alive, and the lovely B Morecombe has made some “on the record” comments to distance his organisation from theirs.

So what’s the deal? Is Clare delusional? Does she have evidence that William is still alive?

Has the D M F truly made any efforts to scrub their material from the WW website or are they just paying lip-service to potential DMF donors in a bid to retain support for their (wonderful) charity?

There is a lot to unpack, and IMO this article (linked) both answers some questions but raises others.

 

[31550]

I don’t think the public are able to donate to the Where’s William? Organisation at the present moment. There’s no link on the WW website to enable consumers to donate. And AFAIK they are not currently selling Where’s William merchandise. (But they did.)

However - it is interesting that despite this article being published in early December 2022,

< “ Huge blow in the search for the boy in the SpiderMan suit as high-profile charity pulls its support for 'Where's William Tyrrell' campaign after charges were laid against the missing toddler's foster mother”

Daniel Morecombe's parents cut ties with William Tyrrell charity. >


.....the logo of the D M F and hyperlink to the D M F are still live on the WW website.

Donations

www.whereswilliam.org

What are people’s thoughts on this? The senior detectives in the Strike Force have said both in court evidence and in press/media conferences that they “know” William is deceased but it hasn’t been ruled on by the Coroner as the Inquest has not yet resumed after its long hiatus.

As mentioned in the DM article, Clare Collins still believes William to be (gulp) alive, and the lovely B Morecombe has made some “on the record” comments to distance his organisation from theirs.

So what’s the deal? Is Clare delusional? Does she have evidence that William is still alive?

Has the D M F truly made any efforts to scrub their material from the WW website or are they just paying lip-service to potential DMF donors in a bid to retain support for their (wonderful) charity?

There is a lot to unpack, and IMO this article (linked) both answers some questions but raises others.

The main question is, "What purpose does the Wheres William website/organisation actually serve? They claim to be 'official', but who bestowed this status on them? They seem to be at odds with the police and coroner in their messaging. They are not a registered charity. They do not have any explicit support from the bio family. They are no longer assocoated in any way with DMF or any other recognised charity. Surely it's time for this website to come down, and all matters referred to the police or coroner for official statements re William?

 

[stormbird]

The three-day hearing into the allegations of assault and intimidation by the foster parents against a-child-who-isn't-William was set for 16, 17 and 18 January 2023 (News.com.au, 13 May 2021 - published before media organisations successfully appealed a suppression order and before FM's mental health application was dismissed).

The NSW Online Registry now shows court lists including 16 and 17 January 2023 but there's nothing about the foster parents, or not that I can see.

 

[stormbird]

The main question is, "What purpose does the Wheres William website/organisation actually serve? They claim to be 'official', but who bestowed this status on them? They seem to be at odds with the police and coroner in their messaging. They are not a registered charity. They do not have any explicit support from the bio family. They are no longer assocoated in any way with DMF or any other recognised charity. Surely it's time for this website to come down, and all matters referred to the police or coroner for official statements re William?

Just my own opinion, I doubt that the Where's William? website has ever been a source of actual information about the investigation for anyone other than the Where's William? campaigners and the Where's William Tyrrell? podcast makers. IMO the website and even the campaign was of interest only for people who wanted to align with or oppose the foster parents.

If the only information given to the public had to wait for official statements from NSW Police Force or the NSW Coroner or Deputy Coroner, the public would be given no information at all most of the time. MOO

 

[craffles]

RE: Gary Jubelin regardless of his previous record he single handedly destroyed Bill Spedding and his wife’s lives whilst publicly supporting people who are now prime suspects. You make your bed and you sleep in it, of which Mr Jubelin isn’t willing too and still to this day plays the victim.

 

[stormbird]

RE: Gary Jubelin regardless of his previous record he single handedly destroyed Bill Spedding and his wife’s lives whilst publicly supporting people who are now prime suspects. You make your bed and you sleep in it, of which Mr Jubelin isn’t willing too and still to this day plays the victim.

IMO the more depressing thing is that Jubelin was not the only person responsible. The Supreme Court judgment criticised others too, if I've understood it correctly, including detectives from NSW Police Force (one of whom was the officer in charge) and the Director of Public Prosecutions or his delegates.

What I take from this is that despite Jubelin's written updates on their plans and progress and (presumably) their Strike Force meetings or discussions about what was going on, either no one in NSW Police Force tried to stop them or no one could.

 

[31550]

RE: Gary Jubelin regardless of his previous record he single handedly destroyed Bill Spedding and his wife’s lives whilst publicly supporting people who are now prime suspects. You make your bed and you sleep in it, of which Mr Jubelin isn’t willing too and still to this day plays the victim.

"Single-Handedly"? Do you have any evidence to support this? How could one man accomplish this without the support of NSW Police Command?

 

[Pies1990]

RE: Gary Jubelin regardless of his previous record he single handedly destroyed Bill Spedding and his wife’s lives whilst publicly supporting people who are now prime suspects. You make your bed and you sleep in it, of which Mr Jubelin isn’t willing too and still to this day plays the victim.

Not only this but he’s touring the country and released a book where he’s quite obviously defending the foster parents. He mentions they were rigorously investigated and he could see no evidence to point towards their guilt, yet the FM is still a POI and they are being investigated thoroughly, a lot more thoroughly than he ever did. Is there some reason he didn’t investigate them thoroughly enough and is still actively defending them?

 

[craffles]

Not only this but he’s touring the country and released a book where he’s quite obviously defending the foster parents. He mentions they were rigorously investigated and he could see no evidence to point towards their guilt, yet the FM is still a POI and they are being investigated thoroughly, a lot more thoroughly than he ever did. Is there some reason he didn’t investigate them thoroughly enough and is still actively defending them?

There were rumours of him being involved with FM for a while. Either way, he had his blinkers on as the lead investigator and Mr Spedding was subjected to hell and back as a result. Now as you’ve rightly pointed out he is doing a media tour rather than owning any of his wrongdoings and fading into obscurity like he should be for being the main reason this case went cold.

 

[stormbird]

A video released by NSW Police in 2015 which includes short clips and photos (some of which I think might not have been published anywhere else?):

Raw: William Tyrrell riding bike, playing, AAP Photos, 17 April 2015

The link should go to the search result, which is an image: click on the image and the video will open (I hope). If the link doesn't work, try going to AAP Photos to do a search for the title "Raw: William Tyrrell riding bike, playing" or ID "20150417001122786826".

 

[31550]

If anyone has the time (and the stomach) to read this, it's the report by Adoption Origins Victoria Inc, "Senate Inquiry into Commonwealth contribution to Forced Adoption Policies and Practices". It dates back to 2011, and details some of the the flaws in forced adoption policies and practices, and the outcomes of religious and political interference and manipulation of the system. (Includes the notorious Hamilton-Byrne "Family" case).

https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=f341a994-a2cc-4479-9734-50f779fac327

Many of these flaws and outcomes are reflected in William's case. We never learn.

 

[Awakening]

If anyone has the time (and the stomach) to read this, it's the report by Adoption Origins Victoria Inc, "Senate Inquiry into Commonwealth contribution to Forced Adoption Policies and Practices". It dates back to 2011, and details some of the the flaws in forced adoption policies and practices, and the outcomes of religious and political interference and manipulation of the system. (Includes the notorious Hamilton-Byrne "Family" case).

https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=f341a994-a2cc-4479-9734-50f779fac327

Many of these flaws and outcomes are reflected in William's case. We never learn.

Haven’t read it, but unless there is pressure from the general public, nothing will change.

But we tend to be short sighted and self centred. In election years it’s all about what’s in it for me. Which is natural but we should also be considering what is best for the community as a whole even if that change doesn’t direct benefit us.

 

[31550]

Haven’t read it, but unless there is pressure from the general public, nothing will change.

But we tend to be short sighted and self centred. In election years it’s all about what’s in it for me. Which is natural but we should also be considering what is best for the community as a whole even if that change doesn’t direct benefit us.

I can see the point that, "We get the government we deserve". Yes, we live in a democratic country, and these policies and practices are implemented by elected officials.

However, we still also live in a system where wealth and power are concentrated into the hands of minorities. We still have sections of the community who are disadvantaged and disenfranchised (politically, economically, and socially). We have political parties and factions, religious and social groups, media organisations, etc. who carry out their own agendas and exert influence on politicians, law makers, law enforcement and administrators.

The problem is that much of this "influencing" is carried out without community knowledge or awareness. Without things like Royal Commissions, the public can be totally oblivious. If you look at the "Family" case as an example, terrible acts were committed against innocent children and their biological mothers over many, many years and despite police investigation and public questioning they were not stopped (the cult still exists today) - the only charges ever secured were a paltry $5000 fine for perjury. The political and administrative systems which allowed this situation to evolve have not been totally dismantled, and nobody has ever been held accountable.
What we can see from William's case is a system where certain individuals (e.g. William himself, his sister and his bio parents) are disadvantaged and disenfranchised in respect to their rights as individuals, whereas others (e.g. the foster carers) are somehow entitled to protection, advantaged by the system, assisted by people with power, money and privilege.
It's not a level playing field. The dice were loaded against William long ago.

 

[DropBearess]

I can see the point that, "We get the government we deserve". Yes, we live in a democratic country, and these policies and practices are implemented by elected officials.

However, we still also live in a system where wealth and power are concentrated into the hands of minorities. We still have sections of the community who are disadvantaged and disenfranchised (politically, economically, and socially). We have political parties and factions, religious and social groups, media organisations, etc. who carry out their own agendas and exert influence on politicians, law makers, law enforcement and administrators.

The problem is that much of this "influencing" is carried out without community knowledge or awareness. Without things like Royal Commissions, the public can be totally oblivious. If you look at the "Family" case as an example, terrible acts were committed against innocent children and their biological mothers over many, many years and despite police investigation and public questioning they were not stopped (the cult still exists today) - the only charges ever secured were a paltry $5000 fine for perjury. The political and administrative systems which allowed this situation to evolve have not been totally dismantled, and nobody has ever been held accountable.
What we can see from William's case is a system where certain individuals (e.g. William himself, his sister and his bio parents) are disadvantaged and disenfranchised in respect to their rights as individuals, whereas others (e.g. the foster carers) are somehow entitled to protection, advantaged by the system, assisted by people with power, money and privilege.
It's not a level playing field. The dice were loaded against William long ago.

31550, can you please explain your comment regarding the 'Family', specifically the "terrible acts committed against innocent children and their biological mothers" over many, many years. Your point isn't very clear.

The so-called 'Family' murders in SA had nothing to do with your allegations mentioned above unless you know something we don't know here in SA.

 

[31550]

31550, can you please explain your comment regarding the 'Family', specifically the "terrible acts committed against innocent children and their biological mothers" over many, many years. Your point isn't very clear.

The so-called 'Family' murders in SA had nothing to do with your allegations mentioned above unless you know something we don't know here in SA.

Different 'Family' The Family (Australian New Age group) - Wikipedia.
Children were systematically removed from their biological mothers and placed with the Hamilton-Byrnes where they were subjected to beatings and starvation, amongst other things. Birth records and other legal documents were falsified preventing detection of these crimes.

 

[stormbird]

If anyone has the time (and the stomach) to read this, it's the report by Adoption Origins Victoria Inc, "Senate Inquiry into Commonwealth contribution to Forced Adoption Policies and Practices". It dates back to 2011, and details some of the the flaws in forced adoption policies and practices, and the outcomes of religious and political interference and manipulation of the system. (Includes the notorious Hamilton-Byrne "Family" case).

https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=f341a994-a2cc-4479-9734-50f779fac327

Many of these flaws and outcomes are reflected in William's case. We never learn.

31550, Adoption Origins Victoria Inc made a submission to the inquiry, but the report (after considering all submissions and other evidence) was by a Senate committee, released in February 2012:

Commonwealth Contribution to Former Forced Adoption Policies and Practices

The web page Forced Adoption Support Services (Dept of Social Services) has a summary of the Australian Government's responses to the recommendations - which included a formal national apology:

"The Australian Government delivered a formal apology to people affected by past forced adoption or removal policies and practices on 21 March 2013. The National Apology was delivered by the former-Prime Minister Julia Gillard [and Leader of the Opposition Tony Abbott] in the Great Hall at Parliament House, Canberra. A video and transcript of the speech is available on the Parliament of Australia website."

MOO, I think it's not acccurate or fair to say that we never learn.

 

[31550]

31550, Adoption Origins Victoria Inc made a submission to the inquiry, but the report (after considering all submissions and other evidence) was by a Senate committee, released in February 2012:

Commonwealth Contribution to Former Forced Adoption Policies and Practices

The web page Forced Adoption Support Services (Dept of Social Services) has a summary of the Australian Government's responses to the recommendations - which included a formal national apology:

"The Australian Government delivered a formal apology to people affected by past forced adoption or removal policies and practices on 21 March 2013. The National Apology was delivered by the former-Prime Minister Julia Gillard [and Leader of the Opposition Tony Abbott] in the Great Hall at Parliament House, Canberra. A video and transcript of the speech is available on the Parliament of Australia website."

MOO, I think it's not acccurate or fair to say that we never learn.

Agree that things have improved. Maybe some people have learned a little. But the same issues still exist IMO, albeit not to such a noticeable extent.
We still have systems and processes which discriminate against (or in favour of) people who belong to (or support) certain social, economic, demographic, religious or political groups. These systems IMO help divide people into predators and prey, and sometimes the prey are innocent children. The 'Family' was an extreme case, but I think you can see the same prejudices reflected in William's case, and other child care cases in the present day.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

IMO the more depressing thing is that Jubelin was not the only person responsible. The Supreme Court judgment criticised others too, if I've understood it correctly, including detectives from NSW Police Force (one of whom was the officer in charge) and the Director of Public Prosecutions or his delegates.

What I take from this is that despite Jubelin's written updates on their plans and progress and (presumably) their Strike Force meetings or discussions about what was going on, either no one in NSW Police Force tried to stop them or no one could.

Absolutely. It comes down to a total lack of integrity. That's where the problem lies. The ends never justified the means. When you undermine peoples rights to suit a biased agenda of persecution, natural justice is denied. Sadly the system is geared to this on all levels from police to prosecutors.

 

[stormbird]

William's bio mother is on the Local Court list for 24 Jan 2023, for a mention (AVO Police), a breach, and an LC sentence. This follows on from charges last year - see post 7,425.

 

[stormbird]

Absolutely. It comes down to a total lack of integrity. That's where the problem lies. The ends never justified the means. When you undermine peoples rights to suit a biased agenda of persecution, natural justice is denied. Sadly the system is geared to this on all levels from police to prosecutors.

Whatever the problems are, I hope they're being investigated and fixed. The public needs to be able to trust the police and DPP, and the police and DPP need to be able to do their work.

 

[Lebbo73]

Where’s the charges that we were promised 14 months ago?

 

[BFew]

Where’s the charges that we were promised 14 months ago?

Patience No. 73.

There's still 10 weeks to go before the NSW State Election.

Still time for either the Fosters to launch legal action against the State of NSW for malicious prosecution, or for one of them to be charged with something new in relation to William Tyrrell. At this stage, I'm betting on the latter.

 

[Awakening]

Rumour on socials that the charges the fosters were facing of assault on a child have been dropped and so will not be in court as expected.

 

[DropBearess]

Rumour on socials that the charges the fosters were facing of assault on a child have been dropped and so will not be in court as expected.

Well how could we have guessed that would happen? Hmmmm.....

 

[31550]

Rumour on socials that the charges the fosters were facing of assault on a child have been dropped and so will not be in court as expected.

Case adjourned. The wheels of justice turn slowly, and often don't move at all