Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse

[Kurve]

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[BFew]

It's actually 17 years old in NSW

Or 16yo and having been awarded a Year 10 ROSA (usually awarded at the end of Year 10, but in some cases, awarded as early as end of Semester 2, and obtainable through approved non-school study, and meeting the work & or/higher/vocational education/TAFE requirements that allow someone 16yo to stop going to school.

 

[Lady O]

Ever since this began, I've noticed people only seem to suspect those neighbours who were proven to be at home during the time WT disappeared. If any of them were involved they would have denied being there, and in fact by the time he was found to be missing, they could have been a long way away. Obviously, family, neighbours and visitors would be the first suspects, so they should have all been able to prove their whereabouts from very early that morning until at least lunch time.

 

[31550]

Ever since this began, I've noticed people only seem to suspect those neighbours who were proven to be at home during the time WT disappeared. If any of them were involved they would have denied being there, and in fact by the time he was found to be missing, they could have been a long way away. Obviously, family, neighbours and visitors would be the first suspects, so they should have all been able to prove their whereabouts from very early that morning until at least lunch time.

From Wendy Hudson's notes, it seems that police did initially concentrate on at least two neighbours:
"Peter" who lived at #35 (opposite FGM) was identified by FGM as "keeping odd hours" - he was interviewed by police on the afternoon of William's disappearance.
"Beanie Man" - who lived in Ellendale Cres and was identified to Wendy Hudson by several neighbours as possibly a POI - Wendy soon confirmed that Beanie Man caught the bus out of Kendall at 8:55am, so was not anywhere near Benaroon Drive when William disappeared.
So it seems that at least some of the police followed up some of the close neighbours very quickly. As far as I remember there were no allegations of any neighbours behaving suspiciously on the day of William's disappearance, although later, some suspicion was directed towards the Savages. They knocked on doors, although we don't know how extensive and thorough the door-knock was. We know they never knocked on Ron Chapman's door.

 

[DropBearess]

Given this case has gone a bit quiet of late, here is an out-of-square thought l've had for a while:-

According to various sources, there seems to be a belief that SD and/or JS were quite reliant on prescription medications. Xanax keeps popping up along with Valium etc. We already know they packed the car in a hurry. We also know of their sleeping arrangements, so chances are that the male's and the female's respective belongings were chucked in the appropriate rooms.

What if William somehow managed to get into dad's stash of whatever he was taking? Was it in childproof containers? We have seen the dishevelled way they kept their bedrooms. What if medication was left right there on the bedside table? William may never have seen it before and was curious. We know he could be a little rascal; allegedly naughty and lively enough to send SD into "giving up".

There could have been several windows of opportunity for this to happen which could account for JS's obsession to get to a chemist. Xanax is addictive and there would be implications for JS if William had eaten his tablets, whether they cared about William or not. Perhaps William got into dad's bathroom bag on the way even, hence the sudden "pull-ups" stop so didn't even make it to Kendall alive? Maybe he got into them when beds were being made-up and belongings left lying about. Or perhaps when JS was guzzling two glasses of wine in 30 minutes before bed, or before 5.50 am next morning. Perhaps "the three of us had breakfast" was indeed accurate.

Any of these scenarios would allow time for covering the crime.

I suspect there's lots of embedded confessions in this case, but the word 'medication' keeps jumping out at me. It appears to be like kryptonite to FGM and is peppered throughout numerous interviews.

Maybe the balcony theory isn't true, but the disposal of little William was the same. No more far-fetched than any other theory l guess.

 

[31550]

Given this case has gone a bit quiet of late, here is an out-of-square thought l've had for a while:-

According to various sources, there seems to be a belief that SD and/or JS were quite reliant on prescription medications. Xanax keeps popping up along with Valium etc. We already know they packed the car in a hurry. We also know of their sleeping arrangements, so chances are that the male's and the female's respective belongings were chucked in the appropriate rooms.

What if William somehow managed to get into dad's stash of whatever he was taking? Was it in childproof containers? We have seen the dishevelled way they kept their bedrooms. What if medication was left right there on the bedside table? William may never have seen it before and was curious. We know he could be a little rascal; allegedly naughty and lively enough to send SD into "giving up".

There could have been several windows of opportunity for this to happen which could account for JS's obsession to get to a chemist. Xanax is addictive and there would be implications for JS if William had eaten his tablets, whether they cared about William or not. Perhaps William got into dad's bathroom bag on the way even, hence the sudden "pull-ups" stop so didn't even make it to Kendall alive? Maybe he got into them when beds were being made-up and belongings left lying about. Or perhaps when JS was guzzling two glasses of wine in 30 minutes before bed, or before 5.50 am next morning. Perhaps "the three of us had breakfast" was indeed accurate.

Any of these scenarios would allow time for covering the crime.

I suspect there's lots of embedded confessions in this case, but the word 'medication' keeps jumping out at me. It appears to be like kryptonite to FGM and is peppered throughout numerous interviews.

Maybe the balcony theory isn't true, but the disposal of little William was the same. No more far-fetched than any other theory l guess.

I don't think that's a likely scenario.

• A LETHAL overdose of drugs like Xanax or Valium would require ingestion of between 100 and 1000 times the normal daily dose - maybe less for a small child but certainly more than a 3YO boy would be able to find and readily swallow.
• If William did accidentally or deliberately take prescription pills, there would be no need for a cover-up, unless he was encouraged to do so by his parents - but it's hard enough to get a 3YO to swallow one pill, let alone a hundred, so I think this is unlikely.
• If William was drugged in the evening or even early morning, how did the neighbours hear children playing, and how was the "Roar" photograph taken of William?
• Pharmacies keep records of prescription drugs issued, and if William had ingested a large quantity of FF's pills, FF would have needed to renew his prescription much earlier and in greater quantities than before - this would create an easy paper trail for police to follow.
• As with other scenarios, there is no obvious explanation for how William's body was removed from the house and subsequently disposed of.

 

[DropBearess]

I don't think that's a likely scenario.

• A LETHAL overdose of drugs like Xanax or Valium would require ingestion of between 100 and 1000 times the normal daily dose - maybe less for a small child but certainly more than a 3YO boy would be able to find and readily swallow.
• If William did accidentally or deliberately take prescription pills, there would be no need for a cover-up, unless he was encouraged to do so by his parents - but it's hard enough to get a 3YO to swallow one pill, let alone a hundred, so I think this is unlikely.
• If William was drugged in the evening or even early morning, how did the neighbours hear children playing, and how was the "Roar" photograph taken of William?
• Pharmacies keep records of prescription drugs issued, and if William had ingested a large quantity of FF's pills, FF would have needed to renew his prescription much earlier and in greater quantities than before - this would create an easy paper trail for police to follow.
• As with other scenarios, there is no obvious explanation for how William's body was removed from the house and subsequently disposed of.

Geez 31550, fair go! If there was a trophy for the biggest 'poo pooer' of posts and theories here you'd bolt in. Aren't we all here to throw around ideas to add to the melting pot of unsolved crime? No need for dot points; or sounding like a defence lawyer or leader of the opposition. I get it if you disagree.

Maybe read my post again with care, especially the first sentence in the third paragraph. We need to be careful what we say here. I was just trying to create another avenue for discussion. We have no idea what these affluent people were up to or how many elephants there were/are in rooms.

What do YOU think happened to William?

 

[BFew]

A LETHAL overdose of drugs like Xanax or Valium would require ingestion of between 100 and 1000 times the normal daily dose - maybe less for a small child but certainly more than a 3YO boy would be able to find and readily swallow.

Since when did DropBearess ever state or imply that anywhere near that amount of Xanax or Valium, or that William ingesting these drugs might have been the direct cause of his death?

Suggest you go back and read her post again.

Xanax is addictive and there would be implications for JS if William had eaten his tablets

 

[31550]

Since when did DropBearess ever state or imply that anywhere near that amount of Xanax or Valium, or that William ingesting these drugs might have been the direct cause of his death?

Suggest you go back and read her post again.

"Perhaps William got into dad's bathroom bag on the way even, hence the sudden "pull-ups" stop so didn't even make it to Kendall alive?"

It is interesting and valuable to pursue every possible theory. But we also have to eliminate theories which don't make sense. That will get us closer to finding the truth. I don't profess to know what happened to William.

Maybe William did take some of FFs meds. That doesn't, on its own, explain in any way how or why he disappeared.

 

[Longmembrey]

Given this case has gone a bit quiet of late, here is an out-of-square thought l've had for a while:-

According to various sources, there seems to be a belief that SD and/or JS were quite reliant on prescription medications. Xanax keeps popping up along with Valium etc. We already know they packed the car in a hurry. We also know of their sleeping arrangements, so chances are that the male's and the female's respective belongings were chucked in the appropriate rooms.

What if William somehow managed to get into dad's stash of whatever he was taking? Was it in childproof containers? We have seen the dishevelled way they kept their bedrooms. What if medication was left right there on the bedside table? William may never have seen it before and was curious. We know he could be a little rascal; allegedly naughty and lively enough to send SD into "giving up".

There could have been several windows of opportunity for this to happen which could account for JS's obsession to get to a chemist. Xanax is addictive and there would be implications for JS if William had eaten his tablets, whether they cared about William or not. Perhaps William got into dad's bathroom bag on the way even, hence the sudden "pull-ups" stop so didn't even make it to Kendall alive? Maybe he got into them when beds were being made-up and belongings left lying about. Or perhaps when JS was guzzling two glasses of wine in 30 minutes before bed, or before 5.50 am next morning. Perhaps "the three of us had breakfast" was indeed accurate.

Any of these scenarios would allow time for covering the crime.

I suspect there's lots of embedded confessions in this case, but the word 'medication' keeps jumping out at me. It appears to be like kryptonite to FGM and is peppered throughout numerous interviews.

Maybe the balcony theory isn't true, but the disposal of little William was the same. No more far-fetched than any other theory l guess.

2 glasses of wine in 30mins is hardly "guzzling"

 

[Awakening]

2 glasses of wine in 30mins is hardly "guzzling"

Depends how big the glass is

 

[NRL Fan]

Given this case has gone a bit quiet of late, here is an out-of-square thought l've had for a while:-

According to various sources, there seems to be a belief that SD and/or JS were quite reliant on prescription medications. Xanax keeps popping up along with Valium etc. We already know they packed the car in a hurry. We also know of their sleeping arrangements, so chances are that the male's and the female's respective belongings were chucked in the appropriate rooms.

What if William somehow managed to get into dad's stash of whatever he was taking? Was it in childproof containers? We have seen the dishevelled way they kept their bedrooms. What if medication was left right there on the bedside table? William may never have seen it before and was curious. We know he could be a little rascal; allegedly naughty and lively enough to send SD into "giving up".

There could have been several windows of opportunity for this to happen which could account for JS's obsession to get to a chemist. Xanax is addictive and there would be implications for JS if William had eaten his tablets, whether they cared about William or not. Perhaps William got into dad's bathroom bag on the way even, hence the sudden "pull-ups" stop so didn't even make it to Kendall alive? Maybe he got into them when beds were being made-up and belongings left lying about. Or perhaps when JS was guzzling two glasses of wine in 30 minutes before bed, or before 5.50 am next morning. Perhaps "the three of us had breakfast" was indeed accurate.

Any of these scenarios would allow time for covering the crime.

I suspect there's lots of embedded confessions in this case, but the word 'medication' keeps jumping out at me. It appears to be like kryptonite to FGM and is peppered throughout numerous interviews.

Maybe the balcony theory isn't true, but the disposal of little William was the same. No more far-fetched than any other theory l guess.

It's possible, but not supported by any known facts. For example, JS went to a chemist but stayed in the car park for a zoom meeting, rather than returning home ASAP and we know what he purchased. Also, the pictures of WT playing on the back deck which were only minutes from the time of his disappearance indicate he was in normal health at around 9:30am.

 

[metic]

I don't think that's a likely scenario.

• A LETHAL overdose of drugs like Xanax or Valium would require ingestion of between 100 and 1000 times the normal daily dose - maybe less for a small child but certainly more than a 3YO boy would be able to find and readily swallow.
• If William did accidentally or deliberately take prescription pills, there would be no need for a cover-up, unless he was encouraged to do so by his parents - but it's hard enough to get a 3YO to swallow one pill, let alone a hundred, so I think this is unlikely.
• If William was drugged in the evening or even early morning, how did the neighbours hear children playing, and how was the "Roar" photograph taken of William?
• Pharmacies keep records of prescription drugs issued, and if William had ingested a large quantity of FF's pills, FF would have needed to renew his prescription much earlier and in greater quantities than before - this would create an easy paper trail for police to follow.
• As with other scenarios, there is no obvious explanation for how William's body was removed from the house and subsequently disposed of.

Didn't know you could get a prescription for more than 50 at a time, a full box gets you 50 of them.
with these type of drugs you can't go and ask for more just because you have none left! You have to wait , otherwise everybody addicted to these drugs would just say that and get more because "my dog ate them"

 

[BFew]

the pictures of WT playing on the back deck which were only minutes from the time of his disappearance indicate he was in normal health at around 9:30am.

or whatever time/day the pictures were actually taken.

 

[31550]

or whatever time/day the pictures were actually taken.

What time / day would the pictures need to be taken to tie in with prescription drugs having something to do with William's disappearance, and how does that theory play out?

 

[Liandra]

The washing machine repairman's case is back on the NSW Online Registry:

Date: 22 Feb 2023
Case number: 2019/00289937 [same as for the judgment last year]
Location: Supreme Court Sydney
Listing type: Directions (Common Law Registrar)

Last year, 7 News reported that NSW Police Force would be appealing the payout (see post 7,850). So, is that correct? I couldn't find any other reports or confirmation. Would "directions (common law registrar)" in the NSW Supreme Court be one step towards an appeal in the NSW Court of Appeal, or might there be something else going on?

The appeal is still progressing, Directions (Notice of Appeal) listed for March 22nd

Search NSW Court and Tribunal Lists | NSW Online Registry

onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw.gov.au

 

[stormbird]

The appeal is still progressing, Directions (Notice of Appeal) listed for March 22nd

Search NSW Court and Tribunal Lists | NSW Online Registry

onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw.gov.au

Thanks, Liandra!

So: on 22 March 2023 in the Court of Appeal:
Case name: Appeal: State of New South Wales v William Harrie Spedding
Case number: 2022/00368706
Listing type: Directions (Notice of Appeal)

But then two days later, 24 March 2023, in the Supreme Court, the original case is still going on:
Case name: William Harrie Spedding v State of New South Wales
Case number: 2019/00289937
Listing type: Motion
(There's something on NSW Caselaw which I think relates to this: Spedding v State of New South Wales [2023] NSWSC 34
- a decision by Justice Harrison on 02 Feb 2023 about costs and interest on damages.)

I wish someone would explain what's going on.

 

[stormbird]

Who was the "elderly couple" FGM said she talked to on Benaroon Drive? What sort of vehicle were they driving, which way were they going, where had they been, what were they doing? In 8+ years of news coverage about this case and the inquest, these potential witnesses were mentioned a total of zero times, as far as I've seen.

Has there ever been any confirmation that FGM actually did see them and talk to them? Did neighbour Anne Maree [AMS] mention them when she was on the stand at the inquest?

From FGM's walk-through interview with Detective Senior Constable Vanessa Partridge [VP] on Thursday 18 September 2014, with thanks to BFew's post 7,017 in August last year:

Context: FGM said she had walked down to the street below the house, looking for William's foster mother who had gone looking for William.
At about 11:43 minutes:

FGM: And then... I'm down on the road... and...
VP: When you-- when you were on the road, do you remember seeing any cars along the road?
FGM: No, no. Nothing. Nothing.
VP: Ok. Do you remember seeing any people?
FGM: ... Not at that time, no. No.
VP: Ok.
FGM: Yeah. Ah... a couple did come by after all this had happened, because-- and after she'd called the police, I don't know if th-- a car was on the road, an elderly couple, and I said to them, 'Have you seen this little boy?' and they said no. But that was-- that was some time after all this had happened.
VP: Roughly how long after do you think that would have been?
FGM: Ah... Oh, that might have been 10 minutes, because I was down on the road talking to [AMS, neighbour at No.31]...
VP: Ok.
FGM: And then [FM's name bleeped] came up very distraught and said 'I've got to call the police'.

Transcript by me. And FGM goes on to say that William's foster father arrived home after this - which doesn't fit with other accounts and complicates the timeline. I'm just focusing on the possibility that two people in a vehicle drove past before FFC called police. Does anyone know more about them?

 

[stormbird]

Some more from FGM's walk-through interview (post 7,017):

FGM = foster grandmother
VP = Detective Senior Constable Vanessa Partridge
FM = foster mother
AMS = neighbour Anne Maree

From about 17:45 minutes - FGM and VP are standing on a hillside path between the house and the street.

FGM: And she [FM] told you about-- she saw cars down there [motions towards AMS's, No.31]. I never saw any cars, but they'd certainly gone by-- when I got-- when I was down here. And she didn't see them either. So they-- those two cars parked there had gone. I didn't see them.
VP: Ok, and you don't remember seeing any cars parked along the street when you came out to look?
FGM: No! No, no-- oh there were a couple parked in the driveway of Anne-Maree's.
VP: Ok.
FGM: But that's usual, they're quite often there.
YP: Yeah.
FGM: But if there were cars parked there [meaning where FM had said the other cars were parked] that was most unusual.
VP: And where was your car parked?
FGM: In the-- um, where [FM's name bleeped] in the um, in the carport.
VP: Ok.
FGM: That's always there.
VP: You always keep your car in the carport?
FGM: Yeah-yeah-yeah-yeah.

Transcript by me.

• If there were cars parked in AMS's driveway that morning, who owned them? Were they parked there all morning or did AMS drive one when she took her child to daycare at 8:40 am? Was anybody else at AMS's property?
• Could FM have confused the cars in AMS's driveway (at the eastern end of AMS's front fence) with the two that she claimed had been parked on the street (near the western end of AMS's front fence, about 50 metres away)?
• In the background of the video at about 10:50 mins and 17:45 mins I think there's a view of the septic tank. It's a concrete-looking round thing with a box on top, right next to the path between house and the lower lawn, so it would have been easily found and possibly easily accessible. The ground around it looks to be bare dirt, so maybe the tank and surrounds had been searched in the days before the walk-through was filmed?

 

[craffles]

Surely the police can’t be trying to overturn the compensation provided to bill Spedding? They destroyed his life. Give him the cash and let him move on

 

[BFew]

Surely the police can’t be trying to overturn the compensation provided to bill Spedding? They destroyed his life. Give him the cash and let him move on

NSW Police/Government probably want to send a signal to anyone else that is thinking of or in the process of taking them to court, that they will be in for a long, lengthy, and potentially stressful and costly fight if they do. IMO, by appealing like they are with Spedding's case, regardless of the outcome of the appeal, they can achieve that goal to some degree.

 

[31550]

NSW Police/Government probably want to send a signal to anyone else that is thinking of or in the process of taking them to court, that they will be in for a long, lengthy, and potentially stressful and costly fight if they do. IMO, by appealing like they are with Spedding's case, regardless of the outcome of the appeal they can achieve that goal to some degree.

By appealing the case, NSW police are IMO only adding to the suffering Spedding has already endured and risking additional cost and compensation. Harrison already found in favour of Spedding and awarded $1.5M (plus interest), and costs of around $110,000 against NSW Police.
Do you know on what grounds this judgement is being appealled? Are they disputing the facts of the case, or just the judgement amount?

I just wish they were willing to put as much time and energy into solving William's case, instead of pursuing someone who has been found to be innocent. Spedding's life is ruined and he really has nothing left to lose by continuing his claims for compensation, so I don't think he or his lawyers are going to be deterred by NSW Police tactics.

 

[DropBearess]

JS's hearing for telling porkies has been brought forward to April 4-5. Does anyone know if the Prosecution or the Defence initiated this and why?

 

[stormbird]

JS's hearing for telling porkies has been brought forward to April 4-5. Does anyone know if the Prosecution or the Defence initiated this and why?

Is there any confirmation the April hearing is for William's foster father and not someone else with the same initials? The April case number is quite a lot higher than the numbers in any of his other cases reported so far.

I haven't found an explanation for how the case numbers are assigned, so I'm just guessing that each case is given a number when a charge is recorded - meaning that higher case numbers are for charges recorded later in the year. If this is correct, the April 2023 hearing's case number is for a charge recorded last year after FF's charge for the alleged dummy auction bidding (which was reported in August 2022).

 

[stormbird]

From FM's 17 March 2015 witness statement (thanks to Kurve's post 7,341) talking about when FF "left the house to go to his online business meeting":

"Usually the children would go outside to say goodbye to (the male foster carer) when he left but I cannot remember whether they did on this occasion or not."
- page 28, paragraph 83

This goodbye routine wasn't mentioned in media interviews, as far as I'm aware, even though the foster parents talked about the kids having a routine of going outside to say hello to FF when he got home - which was said to be the reason FF sent the text on his way home to FGM's that day.

FM seems quite clear about what happened when the kids went outside later to use the bikes:

'Mum said to William, "Show me your new bike." (Lindsay Thomas - pseudonym for William's sister) said, "I've got a new bike too Nanna." William had got a new BMX bike for his birthday. We had brought both his and (Lindsay) bike up in the car with us to mums. The bike was stored in under the carport along the side of the house. Mum, (Lindsay) William and I all went outside to look at the bikes. We all walked outside together. We left the house through the door that opens in the area under the carport.'
- pages 22 & 23, paragraph 64

She could also remember where they parked the 4WD when arriving the night before:
"We parked our car on the left hand side of the carport"...
- page 22, paragraph 61

If it's true the kids usually went outside to say goodbye at FGM's, where did they go?
Were they capable of going there without adult help - opening and closing doors, using steps, finding their way back into the house on their own?

If William later went looking for FF (which is one reason he might have run out of sight), I think it's likely he'd go back to wherever he last saw FF or wherever he expected to say hello to him again. If capable of using the doors and steps himself, one possibility is that after jumping off the patio he climbed up the steps near the clothesline to go up to the verandah and went back to wherever his usual goodbye/hello place was. MOO

 

[31550]

If it's true the kids usually went outside to say goodbye at FGM's, where did they go?

I thought that this was the first visit since the foster GF died in February 2014, so about seven months. William would only have been 2YO on the previous (2nd last) visit. I also thought that they had only visited Kendall "as a family" on a handful of occasions. Presumably, some of these would have been when the children were very young - too young to move around independently and/or without supervision. I don't see how they could establish any "usual" or regular patterns of behaviour at FGM's property. William at 3YO would have probably been capable of navigating around the property, but surely he wasn't regularly left to do so independently and unsupervised?

I also wonder what sort of relationship William and his sister actually had with the foster grandparents, given this infrequent contact. We are led to believe they had a close relationship, but how is this possible with so few contact visits? And why were there no visits between February 2014 and September 2014? Was the 'closeness' perhaps only with FGF and not FGM? Or more to do with FM's relationship with her parents?