Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse

[Kurve]

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[JWS2019]

Get this guys.......(I need to vent)

This morning, my wife took my 3yo boy to the local park.

There was a dodgy guy hanging around......who charges at and grabs my son.

My wife intervenes then he grabs her by the neck and starts choking her. She starts yelling and eventually the guys carer comes over and starts hitting him to get him to stop (he subsequently explains that the guy is autistic)

My wife flees situation and goes towards a garbage truck so there are people (person) around, then heads home.

Im fuming and go looking for this bloke - didnt find him.

I called the police to report the incident, saying I wanted to get it on record, the Mrs is shaken up and wont report it right now, she tears up talking about it.

It happened at 10-10:30 am - called the cops myself 2 hours later and he was querying why she didnt call at the time and that because its already happened (2 hrs ago) she has to go into the station to report it herself.

I hung up on the campaigner, they dont give a fu**.....

So sorry this happened to your wife.... had something similar nothing like that just someone a bit strange around my kids when I walked away for a couple of minutes, and they would only take the details if I came to the station to make a complaint and report. So I didn’t stupid I know but...

 

[JWS2019]

Who knows, could be playing poker maybe it’s someone else they are looking at? Does seem odd they went back to the street abs house a few weeks back and looking around the house.

I suppose we just assume with the AVO but could be two seperate issues.

they must have something no way they would be so pubic without it. I love Jubes but think he should stay quiet for the now without having insight on the case now.

 

[javaguice]

Who knows, could be playing poker maybe it’s someone else they are looking at? Does seem odd they went back to the street abs house a few weeks back and looking around the house.

I suppose we just assume with the AVO but could be two seperate issues.

they must have something no way they would be so pubic without it. I love Jubes but think he should stay quiet for the now without having insight on the case now.

Im worried its gonna turn out a bit like the Rayney case.....If they dont pin anything on her this time, can they go after again?

 

[Lions777]

Shes a Senior Public Servant... being a disingenuous fraudster is in her DNA

Hey! I used to be a PS. We have feelings you know

 

[JWS2019]

Im worried its gonna turn out a bit like the Rayney case.....If they dont pin anything on her this time, can they go after again?

I suppose they are only investigating at this point so they can continue to pursue... but If they can’t find anything It’s a lost cause. They must have something can’t just have arrived out of the blue.

 

[JWS2019]

Im worried its gonna turn out a bit like the Rayney case.....If they dont pin anything on her this time, can they go after again?

I thought they changed double jeopardy laws in nsw - but googling looks like it didn’t pass. So they would be wanting to make sure whatever they have is solid.

 

[Lions777]

Get this guys.......(I need to vent)

This morning, my wife took my 3yo boy to the local park.

There was a dodgy guy hanging around......who charges at and grabs my son.

My wife intervenes then he grabs her by the neck and starts choking her. She starts yelling and eventually the guys carer comes over and starts hitting him to get him to stop (he subsequently explains that the guy is autistic)

My wife flees situation and goes towards a garbage truck so there are people (person) around, then heads home.

Im fuming and go looking for this bloke - didnt find him.

I called the police to report the incident, saying I wanted to get it on record, the Mrs is shaken up and wont report it right now, she tears up talking about it.

It happened at 10-10:30 am - called the cops myself 2 hours later and he was querying why she didnt call at the time and that because its already happened (2 hrs ago) she has to go into the station to report it herself.

I hung up on the campaigner, they dont give a fu**.....

Scary. Sorry to hear. What did the carer have to say for himself then other than the “autism” thing??

 

[javaguice]

Scary. Sorry to hear. What did the carer have to say for himself then other than the “autism” thing??

Nah she reckons it was more like a family member rather than a carer - they weren't very attentive. Apparently my mother in law has seen him there a few times....nothing like this, but he stands out. You'd hope it wasn't a regular thing. Person that came over just stared hitting him to get him to stop then said "sorry, he's autistic" sorta thing - my mrs took off to get away so dont think they had too good a convo tbh

Guy was African - not that that matters....

 

[daniologist]

Hey! I used to be a PS. We have feelings you know

Some of us have ethics too!

 

[Mudman85]

Nah she reckons it was more like a family member rather than a carer - they weren't very attentive. Apparently my mother in law has seen him there a few times....nothing like this, but he stands out. You'd hope it wasn't a regular thing. Person that came over just stared hitting him to get him to stop then said "sorry, he's autistic" sorta thing - my mrs took off to get away so dont think they had too good a convo tbh

Guy was African - not that that matters....

African Gangs abduct children. Can see the headline in daily now

 

[austcrime]

Nah she reckons it was more like a family member rather than a carer - they weren't very attentive. Apparently my mother in law has seen him there a few times....nothing like this, but he stands out. You'd hope it wasn't a regular thing. Person that came over just stared hitting him to get him to stop then said "sorry, he's autistic" sorta thing - my mrs took off to get away so dont think they had too good a convo tbh

Guy was African - not that that matters....

Was the perp looking "rusted-on autistic" .... terrible if was a mentally able type doing those things to get his rocks off ...

"Normal" but blaming autism...

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[daicos4ever]

Get this guys.......(I need to vent)

This morning, my wife took my 3yo boy to the local park.

There was a dodgy guy hanging around......who charges at and grabs my son.

My wife intervenes then he grabs her by the neck and starts choking her. She starts yelling and eventually the guys carer comes over and starts hitting him to get him to stop (he subsequently explains that the guy is autistic)

My wife flees situation and goes towards a garbage truck so there are people (person) around, then heads home.

Im fuming and go looking for this bloke - didnt find him.

I called the police to report the incident, saying I wanted to get it on record, the Mrs is shaken up and wont report it right now, she tears up talking about it.

It happened at 10-10:30 am - called the cops myself 2 hours later and he was querying why she didnt call at the time and that because its already happened (2 hrs ago) she has to go into the station to report it herself.

I hung up on the campaigner, they dont give a fu**.....

That is not a suitable response. I would be heading to that police station and asking to speak face to face with the same police officer. If you are still unhappy with the response, ask to speak to a supervisor.

Whether your partner wants to make a statement about the assault on her is her choice, but I would definitely be reporting what happened to your child (I have a girl roughly the same age and this is one of my greatest fears).

In Victoria this would be considered attempted child stealing. It happens more than people think and on many occasions mental health, intellectual disability or cognitive impairment is a significant factor. Put it this way - “normal” people wouldn’t try and take a child.

Whether this person is autistic isn’t relevant to whether it should be investigated in the first instance. If it is later determined that autism or other factors contributed to the attack on your child and partner, the police, courts, services have options open to them that don’t involvement punishment.

All the best.

 

[Collie_wobbles]

I get that , but why carry on when the case was going to be turned to a cold case, meaning no longer an active investigation - that bit doesn't make sense.

A cold case can re open at anytime...maybe she was pushing for the case to stay current as she was hoping that some poor innocent person was going to be charged on circumstantial evidence, like the likes of FA. It was the same as a coronial inquiry she wanted the Police Investigation to stay current, so the coroner didn't dig deep...which is maybe why we are now at where the investigation is currently at IMO

 

[Flash of power]

A cold case can re open at anytime...maybe she was pushing for the case to stay current as she was hoping that some poor innocent person was going to be charged on circumstantial evidence, like the likes of FA. It was the same as a coronial inquiry she wanted the Police Investigation to stay current, so the coroner didn't dig deep...which is maybe why we are now at where the investigation is currently at IMO

INteresting, it is hard to put all the pieces together, but maybe you're right, big big gamble on her part either way.

 

[Collie_wobbles]

INteresting, it is hard to put all the pieces together, but maybe you're right, big big gamble on her part either way.

Regardless of her wanting the case to stay open and not head to the coroner's court...a coronial inquiry was always going to happen as William was a child in care....when that procedure was going to take place, who knows. But I do feel the many advocates and petition for a Coronial Inquiry, made the Inquest happen sooner rather than later IMO

 

[Collie_wobbles]

Its common knowledge sonny boy... just like her name. JHC

Hmmm I've heard this before...but I've followed this case from the start and I have never found anything to back it up.

 

[johnymac1]

amazing with a new team investigating they have gone in a totally different direction. I've not really followed the case and was stuck in two minds, on if it was a stranger abduction or domestic issues. I always thought it was unlikely a stranger abduction, mainly due to the location and time.

 

[Flash of power]

amazing with a new team investigating they have gone in a totally different direction. I've not really followed the case and was stuck in two minds, on if it was a stranger abduction or domestic issues. I always thought it was unlikely a stranger abduction, mainly due to the location and time.

Although as in the Cleo Smith case, WA detectives thought opportunistic, as that is the most likely scenario for abductions, someone random in a random place, spots a random child and swoops - that is what makes these cases so difficult to solve in the main, as there are no logical links between the abductor and the victim. Not saying that is what has happened here, just noting that in most cases like this it is more probable than a known suspect to successfully kidnap / murder a victim and successfully cover it up.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

A few things really don't add up with the FM being guilty.

One thing doesn't make sense to me, why on earth would she have carried on so the case did not to be converted to a cold case, it is my understanding that was the motivation for her letter to the commissioner - bring GJ back otherwise William's case will be forgotten. Surely that would have been in her best interest?

Makes complete sense, GJ is sympathetic towards them, keeping him on the case ensures they remain out of the spotlight.
Allowing it to pass through to Cold Case means fresh eyes look at all the evidence without bias.

How many cold cases have been solved where the original suspects or suspected version of events were way off the mark.
Claremont is a perfect example of it recently where the offender managed to go undetected for decades because in the early stages the investigators had tunnel vision.

 

[Mudman85]

Its common knowledge sonny boy... just like her name. JHC

Can you PM me her full name

 

[Kurve]

Late night here but before I forget, I was watching this video and it struck me how grubby William's feet are given it's the last picture of him taken early in the morning and assuming they were clean when he went to bed.

Probably means nothing.

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[Longmembrey]

Jubelin seems convinced the current coppers on the case are barking up the wrong tree.


Perhaps they are just going through the motions to absolutely rule out the foster parents being involved in the disappearance whether by accident or not.



There is a parallel in the current investigation with the coppers bringing up a charge against the foster parents to perhaps pressure them into admitting something.


The very same thing happened with the innocent washing repairman investigation - they rearrested him on charges that were dismissed 30 years previously (and were subsequently dismissed again). Police were at pains to say this was unrelated but it was an obvious attempt to put pressure on the washing repairman to make an admission.

Scary. Sorry to hear. What did the carer have to say for himself then other than the “autism” thing??

A lot bigger issues there than autism

 

[Longmembrey]

Makes complete sense, GJ is sympathetic towards them, keeping him on the case ensures they remain out of the spotlight.
Allowing it to pass through to Cold Case means fresh eyes look at all the evidence without bias.

How many cold cases have been solved where the original suspects or suspected version of events were way off the mark.
Claremont is a perfect example of it recently where the offender managed to go undetected for decades because in the early stages the investigators had tunnel vision.

Plot twist: Jubelin was never sacked. He still works for police. It was all a ruse to gain the trust of FM to get key info. Kind of like the Mr Big trap in the Daniel Morcombe case.

Ok, 0.001% chance of happening, but would be amazing.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Plot twist: Jubelin was never sacked. He still works for police. It was all a ruse to gain the trust of FM to get key info. Kind of like the Mr Big trap in the Daniel Morcombe case.

Ok, 0.001% chance of happening, but would be amazing.

Certainly a possibility, GJ is a highly experienced detective and would know full well that any of those recordings wouldnt stand up in court so its seems strange that he'd take that path without further corroborating evidence that to this day hasnt been used.
It may well have been a method of having him removed from their circle without raising suspicion but it has certainly tarnished his career, he could have easily stood down as lead detective citing health concerns and kept his standing within NSW police.

No, if i had to take a guess i'd say he was hell bent on it being anything other than what it currently appears to be and he was an asset to them for that reason.
Listening to that recording of the FM, she seems more distressed and occupied with having GJ reinstated than finding the little fellow, if it were my child i wouldnt care who was leading the case so long as they were dedicated and not transfixed on an avenue which would prove to be futile.

 

[johnymac1]

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The Disappearance of William Tyrrell - YouTube