Div 1 2025

[Bunk Moreland]

So they can field a side in Div 4 but otherwise go into recess? Let’s just let everyone pick what grade they want to be in, that will work well!

Youd hope so but clearly not sets a little dangerous precedent doesn’t it? You can’t make us mentality now for other clubs if it happens again?

You blokes are saying a club is going to willingly try to to move itself from D1 to D4??

Seriously…

 

[Shootfromthehip]

You blokes are saying a club is going to willingly try to to move itself from D1 to D4??

Seriously…

Who suggested it was willingly? Why don’t you read to understand?

 

[Shootfromthehip]

I meant move in relation to asking/forcing teams up for balance more so than Doncaster pulling out/going down!

They run the competition not the clubs . It has to be that way .

 

[thefunnelweb]

You blokes are saying a club is going to willingly try to to move itself from D1 to D4??

Seriously…

re read that with your glasses on bunk not one implication of that at all you Wally

 

[10571z]

Doesn’t look like that many players have left according to clearances? What’s happened

 

[Voice of the G]

Doesn’t look like that many players have left according to clearances? What’s happened

For some strangle reason clearances are only updated every now and again so differ with your thoughts on this one.Last updated 19 March,can any one explain to me why this is not updated daily?

 

[good thing]

For some strangle reason clearances are only updated every now and again so differ with your thoughts on this one.Last updated 19 March,can any one explain to me why this is not updated daily?

Good Question!
See you out at Beacy tomorrow my friend

 

[Bunk Moreland]

It’s interesting to read about the collapse of numbers in here (or the decline of western civilisation).

2007 is the first annual report that the league showed their junior numbers separately.

Here are the teams vs 2024 (boys only for apples vs apples)

I have also left out the expansion clubs outside of the traditional Eastern area - again, apples vs apples.

Bayswater 7 / 8
Blackburn 8 / 21
Boronia 9 / 8
Chirnside Park 8 / 6
CNMLOC 0 / 1
Coldstream 5 / 2
Croydon 8 / 5
Donvale 6 / 3
East Burwood 10 / 4
East Ringwood 8 / 10
Fairpark 4 / 4
Forest Hill 0 / 1
FTG 10 / 8
GW Hawks 7 / 0
GW Rovers 8 / 7
Heathmont 8 / 10
Kilsyth 5 / 7
Knox 9 / 7
Lilydale 10 / 6
Lysterfield 0 / 17
Mitcham 6 / 11
Montrose 8 / 19
Mooroolbark 8 / 8
North Ringwood 11 / 20
Norwood 14 / 9
Ringwood 4 / 4
Rowville 20 / 19
Rowville Knights 11 / 6
Scoresby 9 / 0
South Croydon 8 / 9
The Basin 9 / 9
UFTG 8 / 9
Vermont 10 / 17
Wan South 10 / 12
Wav Blues 9 / 7

Total 275 / 294

There are more teams now than there was 17 years ago. There are more boys playing football in the eastern suburbs than there was 17 years ago.

That is a fact.

This is not translating to senior numbers if we have clubs dying.

There are areas where there is clear drop-offs. The three Waverley clubs had 24 teams then. Now there is 14. It’s no surprise Glen Waverley went under.

But other observations?

- The EFNL has brought in clubs on the borderline who take EFNL juniors at senior level but do not produce their own juniors in great number. South Belgrave, Silvan, Balwyn are the obvious ones here.

- We are in the era of the junior super club (15+ teams). Blackburn, Lysterfield, North Ringwood, Montrose, Vermont. These clubs had 37 boys teams in 2007. Last year they had 94. Anybody who thinks that hasn’t had a knock-on effect to other clubs is absolutely kidding themselves. (I’ve left Rowville out of this as they’ve always been an outlier and their numbers haven’t changed).

Times have changed, but it hasn’t all been just demographics. Many things have changed within the huge, traditional EFNL area that have not been managed with the overall picture and strength of all in mind.

This lines up with the period that the EFNL has focussed hard on expansion. Coincidence? Forgetting the base and the core? Maybe not. Maybe…

 

[Voice of the G]

It’s interesting to read about the collapse of numbers in here (or the decline of western civilisation).

2007 is the first annual report that the league showed their junior numbers separately.

Here are the teams vs 2024 (boys only for apples vs apples)

I have also left out the expansion clubs outside of the traditional Eastern area - again, apples vs apples.

Bayswater 7 / 8
Blackburn 8 / 21
Boronia 9 / 8
Chirnside Park 8 / 6
CNMLOC 0 / 1
Coldstream 5 / 2
Croydon 8 / 5
Donvale 6 / 3
East Burwood 10 / 4
East Ringwood 8 / 10
Fairpark 4 / 4
Forest Hill 0 / 1
FTG 10 / 8
GW Hawks 7 / 0
GW Rovers 8 / 7
Heathmont 8 / 10
Kilsyth 5 / 7
Knox 9 / 7
Lilydale 10 / 6
Lysterfield 0 / 17
Mitcham 6 / 11
Montrose 8 / 19
Mooroolbark 8 / 8
North Ringwood 11 / 20
Norwood 14 / 9
Ringwood 4 / 4
Rowville 20 / 19
Rowville Knights 11 / 6
Scoresby 9 / 0
South Croydon 8 / 9
The Basin 9 / 9
UFTG 8 / 9
Vermont 10 / 17
Wan South 10 / 12
Wav Blues 9 / 7

Total 275 / 294

There are more teams now than there was 17 years ago. There are more boys playing football in the eastern suburbs than there was 17 years ago.

That is a fact.

This is not translating to senior numbers if we have clubs dying.

There are areas where there is clear drop-offs. The three Waverley clubs had 24 teams then. Now there is 14. It’s no surprise Glen Waverley went under.

But other observations?

- The EFNL has brought in clubs on the borderline who take EFNL juniors at senior level but do not produce their own juniors in great number. South Belgrave, Silvan, Balwyn are the obvious ones here.

- We are in the era of the junior super club (15+ teams). Blackburn, Lysterfield, North Ringwood, Montrose, Vermont. These clubs had 37 boys teams in 2007. Last year they had 94. Anybody who thinks that hasn’t had a knock-on effect to other clubs is absolutely kidding themselves. (I’ve left Rowville out of this as they’ve always been an outlier and their numbers haven’t changed).

Times have changed, but it hasn’t all been just demographics. Many things have changed within the huge, traditional EFNL area that have not been managed with the overall picture and strength of all in mind.

This lines up with the period that the EFNL has focussed hard on expansion. Coincidence? Forgetting the base and the core? Maybe not. Maybe…

Aus kick North Ringwood have one of the biggest numbers in the EFNL and perhaps has effected Norwood.Blackburn also have big numbers and I know Mitcham have had over 100 plus for a number of years.It also starts at the bottom, AUS KICK and is the most important part of any senior football club.Get the kids along and their parents will be there and hopefully when these kids are playing U19,s and senors their parents are still actively involved in the club.Most of Mitcham,s senior committee are people that were involved in the junior club and were on the junior committee and most of our home games senior wise these days a lot of the current kids are there.PS Bunk that is a very interesting post,well done.

 

[Blue Tongue]

It’s interesting to read about the collapse of numbers in here (or the decline of western civilisation).

2007 is the first annual report that the league showed their junior numbers separately.

Here are the teams vs 2024 (boys only for apples vs apples)

I have also left out the expansion clubs outside of the traditional Eastern area - again, apples vs apples.

Bayswater 7 / 8
Blackburn 8 / 21
Boronia 9 / 8
Chirnside Park 8 / 6
CNMLOC 0 / 1
Coldstream 5 / 2
Croydon 8 / 5
Donvale 6 / 3
East Burwood 10 / 4
East Ringwood 8 / 10
Fairpark 4 / 4
Forest Hill 0 / 1
FTG 10 / 8
GW Hawks 7 / 0
GW Rovers 8 / 7
Heathmont 8 / 10
Kilsyth 5 / 7
Knox 9 / 7
Lilydale 10 / 6
Lysterfield 0 / 17
Mitcham 6 / 11
Montrose 8 / 19
Mooroolbark 8 / 8
North Ringwood 11 / 20
Norwood 14 / 9
Ringwood 4 / 4
Rowville 20 / 19
Rowville Knights 11 / 6
Scoresby 9 / 0
South Croydon 8 / 9
The Basin 9 / 9
UFTG 8 / 9
Vermont 10 / 17
Wan South 10 / 12
Wav Blues 9 / 7

Total 275 / 294

There are more teams now than there was 17 years ago. There are more boys playing football in the eastern suburbs than there was 17 years ago.

That is a fact.

This is not translating to senior numbers if we have clubs dying.

There are areas where there is clear drop-offs. The three Waverley clubs had 24 teams then. Now there is 14. It’s no surprise Glen Waverley went under.

But other observations?

- The EFNL has brought in clubs on the borderline who take EFNL juniors at senior level but do not produce their own juniors in great number. South Belgrave, Silvan, Balwyn are the obvious ones here.

- We are in the era of the junior super club (15+ teams). Blackburn, Lysterfield, North Ringwood, Montrose, Vermont. These clubs had 37 boys teams in 2007. Last year they had 94. Anybody who thinks that hasn’t had a knock-on effect to other clubs is absolutely kidding themselves. (I’ve left Rowville out of this as they’ve always been an outlier and their numbers haven’t changed).

Times have changed, but it hasn’t all been just demographics. Many things have changed within the huge, traditional EFNL area that have not been managed with the overall picture and strength of all in mind.

This lines up with the period that the EFNL has focussed hard on expansion. Coincidence? Forgetting the base and the core? Maybe not. Maybe…

Just to add some extra info to your post

Apart from Blackburn, Montrose, North Ringwood & Vermont the number of sides in the local area are pretty similar.

Example: Scoresby lose 9, Rowville Knight lose 5, Rowville lose 1 & Lysterfield gain 17. I’d suggest this comes down to the clubs that lose large numbers of players having poor management/coaches & players drift to the better run clubs. It only takes 1 person in a significant role to destroy a junior club within a season or 2 and takes 5-10 years to recover (if they even can).

Just to add some facts to your observations, South Belgrave have 7 boys teams & 1 mixed team so comparing them to Balwyn & Silvan that have zero isn’t comparing apples with apples either.

17 of the 35 clubs you have referenced have the same or less sides so not sure how they don’t produce their own juniors any less than any of them?


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[Nepotism]

Aus kick North Ringwood have one of the biggest numbers in the EFNL and perhaps has effected Norwood.Blackburn also have big numbers and I know Mitcham have had over 100 plus for a number of years.It also starts at the bottom, AUS KICK and is the most important part of any senior football club.Get the kids along and their parents will be there and hopefully when these kids are playing U19,s and senors their parents are still actively involved in the club.Most of Mitcham,s senior committee are people that were involved in the junior club and were on the junior committee and most of our home games senior wise these days a lot of the current kids are there.PS Bunk that is a very interesting post,well done.

It doesn't work like that anymore. Kids play footy till about 15 years of age and then the mums are too worried about concussions and so they fade away.

 

[Glorfindel]

It doesn't work like that anymore. Kids play footy till about 15 years of age and then the mums are too worried about concussions and so they fade away.

Yeah I don’t think that’s what happens at all lol

 

[Nepotism]

Its great to have juniors but that translating at a senior level is less and less given that kids have so many more options these days.

Most kids have played for 3 different clubs by the time they get to senior level and of course the $$$$ are relevant these days where clubs literally poach players without thinking about it.

 

[Thepigshow]

Aus kick North Ringwood have one of the biggest numbers in the EFNL and perhaps has effected Norwood.Blackburn also have big numbers and I know Mitcham have had over 100 plus for a number of years.It also starts at the bottom, AUS KICK and is the most important part of any senior football club.Get the kids along and their parents will be there and hopefully when these kids are playing U19,s and senors their parents are still actively involved in the club.Most of Mitcham,s senior committee are people that were involved in the junior club and were on the junior committee and most of our home games senior wise these days a lot of the current kids are there.PS Bunk that is a very interesting post,well done.

Mitchams an interesting one. Lots of auskickers an juniors yet 90% of the senior team has been recruited to the club. Somethings not working with the transition atm from juniors to seniors. In saying that they’ve recruited well an they seem to stay for periods of time instead of club hopping.

 

[Glorfindel]

Its great to have juniors but that translating at a senior level is less and less given that kids have so many more options these days.

Most kids have played for 3 different clubs by the time they get to senior level and of course the $$$$ are relevant these days where clubs literally poach players without thinking about it.

Competing hobbies/interests, work commitments, less socialisation in general.
Lots of barriers to getting (and keeping) kids in footy.
All have always been present, just now that some are now a bigger influence.

 

[hotchilli]

Mitchams an interesting one. Lots of auskickers an juniors yet 90% of the senior team has been recruited to the club. Somethings not working with the transition atm from juniors to seniors. In saying that they’ve recruited well an they seem to stay for periods of time instead of club hopping.

Don't think they had much a junior club 10 years which probably goes along way to explaining it.

 

[magpies2013]

With only 6 days to go to the start of the season for Div 1 you would think it’s now too late for Doncaster to drop down to another division.

 

[Nepotism]

Yes its too late.

 

[10571z]

Is it confirmed they are done?! did they play their praccy against Doutta Stars?

 

[magpies2013]

That practice match was 2 weeks ago and they were flogged by 20+ goals

 

[10571z]

That practice match was 2 weeks ago and they were flogged by 20+ goals

Did they field 2 sides?

 

[magpies2013]

Did they field 2 sides?

Not sure if they played reserves

 

[Th3B1gD0g]

Did they field 2 sides?

Two games were played but doutta gave Doncaster 8-10 players so their reserves had a full team

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Its great to have juniors but that translating at a senior level is less and less given that kids have so many more options these days.

Most kids have played for 3 different clubs by the time they get to senior level and of course the $$$$ are relevant these days where clubs literally poach players without thinking about it.

Competing hobbies/interests, work commitments, less socialisation in general.
Lots of barriers to getting (and keeping) kids in footy.
All have always been present, just now that some are now a bigger influence.

Well at least we’ve moved on from the immigrants ending football in the east forever.

Now it’s their mums, their bosses and other sports!

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Two games were played but doutta gave Doncaster 8-10 players so their reserves had a full team

Yeah, hilarious…