Do Brisbane need a priority pick?

[Scotland]

2015
Beams - 16 games
Rockliff - 16 games
Robinson - 21 games
Hanley - 11 games
Zorko - 22 games
Rich - 21 games

2016

Bell 8
Bastinac 8
Martin 8
Hanley 8
Christensen 8
Rich 7
Robinson 7
Zorko 7

Rockliff 5
Beams 2

Brisbane's efforts this year have been pretty meek for the most part.

 

[Roylion]

Sure...but if 90% of the decision is based on the club sucking, then maybe Brisbane should work on fixing that rather than whinging and bitching about the rest.

Well the club will "suck " if they struggle to retain required players. So it becomes a vicious circle.

If the go home factor is such a big deal, then why aren't the WA clubs penalised for it? There ratio of 'local players' to clubs is actually more unbalanced than Brisbane's after all.

West Coast have 55% of their list from WA. Fremantle have 42% of their list from WA.

 

[Roylion]

2016

Bell 8
Bastinac 8
Martin 8
Hanley 8
Christensen 8
Rich 7
Robinson 7
Zorko 7

Rockliff 5
Beams 2

Brisbane's efforts this year have been pretty meek for the most part.

Err...yes. Youngest list on average in the AFL. No mature key forwards. One mature key defender. Midfield is experienced, but two best midfielders have missed a significant chunk already. And that looks set to continue.

 

[telsor]

Well the club will "suck " if they struggle to retain required players. So it becomes a viciou

Other clubs get out of it....Which is why I get so annoyed about such things...Richmond have sucked for 30+ years and got minimal assistance...then we started getting our shit together, off field, raised money ourselves, and slowly things are turning around on field.

But Brisbane and Melbourne? "Things suck....give us a handout....that didn't work, we want a bigger handout!", with bugger all effort to fix the club itself...far easier to blame others and put the hand out.

West Coast have 55% of their list from WA. Fremantle have 42% of their list from WA.

How many player come from WA? Not lists, but origins?

 

[pinot]

Need better senior coach

 

[Scotland]

I think the Crows list is 40% SA players or less.

If people are happy to move to Adelaide then they should be happy to move to Brisbane.

 

[Doc Hattori]

Brisbane do need a priority pick...... for a new coach

 

[Roylion]

Other clubs get out of it....Which is why I get so annoyed about such things...Richmond have sucked for 30+ years and got minimal assistance...then we started getting our shit together, off field, raised money ourselves, and slowly things are turning around on field.

Richmond exist in a football state and have done so for over a hundred years (and have developed a large supporter base as a result). They recruit the majority (70% +) of their players from their home state.

But Brisbane and Melbourne? "Things suck....give us a handout....that didn't work, we want a bigger handout!", with bugger all effort to fix the club itself...far easier to blame others and put the hand out.

Brisbane are a frontier club in a rugby dominated state. They have inherent disadvantages that clubs located in Victorian heartland do not.

How many player come from WA? Not lists, but origins?

Far more than Queensland.

 

[chunkylover53]

I think the Crows list is 40% SA players or less.

If people are happy to move to Adelaide then they should be happy to move to Brisbane.

Brisbane isn't a bad place to live for young blokes. Good weather, near the coast, birds are hot, can go out and play up without anyone realizing.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

2016

Bell 8
Bastinac 8
Martin 7.5
Hanley 8
Christensen 7.25
Rich 7
Robinson 7
Zorko 7

Rockliff 3
Beams 1.5

Brisbane's efforts this year have been pretty meek for the most part.

after injuries

 

[Blue1980]

Brisbane need to get rid of leppitch first and foremost

 

[Prince Imperial]

When a Victorian wants to "come home" he has 10 clubs competing for his services and Victorian clubs generally have to pay more in terms of the trade and salary. It's a disadvantage that's not the same for clubs who have come from states where there are only two possible suitors.

 

[Heardy_101]

Can the Admins please auto-generate a thread for this shit?

Seems every year there is a "Do *insert team name here* need a priority pick?"

 

[TheSierBear]

Brisbane need to get rid of the coach obviously.
Not sure what else they need to do because I don't know what they've done or are doing, ie Swan, Matthews.
I think they do need a priority pick, and you can be pretty sure they'll get one.
Any game where the scoreline reads 8.13.61 to nada screams 'mercy, we need help'.

 

[sharp450]

I'm not against the Lions getting the financial support at all but it's there and very extensive and the academy system will deliver you a systematic long term on field advantage. PPs should only be employed in extreme circumstances like a tragedy.

100% agree PI. Help the club financially, but a PP, no way in hell. I hope we never see any club ever again recieve a priority pick, unless in extreme circumstances like you say

 

[pauldrc]

When a Victorian wants to "come home" he has 10 clubs competing for his services and Victorian clubs generally have to pay more in terms of the trade and salary. It's a disadvantage that's not the same for clubs who have come from states where there are only two possible suitors.

Yes,

Exactly like the fantastic high value picks we got back (for our former high 1st round draft picks) when we lost the GH 5....the clubs sure all paid way overs then.

Just got somewhat lucky we then recruited reasonably well with all those "great" picks.

 

[pauldrc]

We also lost our 22 Y/O - would have been - our key CHB for the next 8-10 years permanently now to concussion, just when he was coming into the peak of his powers (poor bloke).

Worth almost some sort of a PP alone, as he would have attracted significant attention on the open market....

 

[sharp450]

We also lost our 22 Y/O - would have been - our key CHB for the next 8-10 years permanently now to concussion, just when he was coming into the peak of his powers (poor bloke).

Worth almost some sort of a PP alone, as he would have attracted significant attention on the open market....

Rubbish, Brisbane or any other club do not deserve a PP for losing a young player to injury.

 

[nick1408]

I say yes. A priority pick won't turn them around overnight but a strong Brisbane is a good thing for AFL as a whole. Like how a strong Sydney helps the comp as a whole. We cannot hold the Victoria-centic attitudes anymore (unless it hurts Richmond....). Having at least one of GCS or Brisbane strong is what is needed. Sydney is covered for the next few years because if the Swans bottom out GWS will still be strong to promote the game in the immediate area. SE Qld is shot at the moment

 

[NinjaBear]

We don't need a priority pick.

- We need the AFL to be less comatose, actually engage with the QLD government and help us secure funding/location for a training base. We're in tin sheds ffs. What kid would be excited to play for us after the shine of the first season wears off, and they see how other clubs operate?

- Our assistant coaching department is shite. Can leppa coach? On very shaky ground currently, but the coaching team around him needs a cleanout at the very least, they're incapable of getting the team to execute a gameplan with any consistency.


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[PerfectFooty]

They probably do. But the AFL has set the precedent, they would have to have a worse season then us in 2013, and as bad as they are i can't imagine them being worse than that

 

[Prince Imperial]

Yes,

Exactly like the fantastic high value picks we got back (for our former high 1st round draft picks) when we lost the GH 5....the clubs sure all paid way overs then.

Just got somewhat lucky we then recruited reasonably well with all those "great" picks.

They haven't all turned out well for these clubs. Longer has been playing all season in the VFL and Karnezis was out the door at Collingwood after just two years. Polec was rubbish for three years at Brisbane and is erratic at Port.

Yeo is good player but you actually got a better draft pick for him two years later.

Docherty I'll give you, but you've also been able to secure a gun (Beams) and a good player (Bell) due to the go home factor as well as Victorians Christensen and Bastinac.

 

[Sausages]

They're not AFL assistance?

You lose players because you're a basket case of a club, on and off field...Just like Melbourne and Carlton have lost a lot of players for the same reasons...except you guys blame the go home factor, and the AFL helps you out....

Mate, go look at the AFL Annual reports from 2005-2014....let me quote some numbers at you though....these are the DOLLARS THE AFL GAVE THE CLUBS....

In 2005, we got $4.78m, you blokes picked up 5.49
In 2006, we got $4.99m, you blokes $6.19m
In 2007 it was your way AGAIN $7.8m to $6.8m....

Are you seeing a pattern here pal?

And ALL THIS TIME IT WAS ACTUALLY THE HARD YAKKA OF THE TIGERS' SUPPORTERS NOT THE AFL "HELPING YOU OUT", according to your thinking....

FMD, you are so full of shit it beggars belief....

Go do some research on what YOUR CLUB PUT YOUR HAND OUT FOR WHEN IT WAS STRUGGLING.

THEN explain it to me how it ISN'T the "handout mentality of Punt Road" 2005-2014.....

You bash us for (a) not doing more and then (b) when we keep asking for help....

Yeah....glass houses etc etc etc.

What a muppet you are Telsor....absolute bona fide muppet, Top 10 draft pick, right after Beaker.

Edit - here's ya link, because your Google Fu is weak

http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/annual-reports

Enjoy. You are looking for the financials, close to the end.

 

[dragonsblues]

When a Victorian wants to "come home" he has 10 clubs competing for his services and Victorian clubs generally have to pay more in terms of the trade and salary. It's a disadvantage that's not the same for clubs who have come from states where there are only two possible suitors.

And that's why NSW and QLD clubs have academies to increase the number of players coming out of those states and in an effort to rectify the inequitity in the go home factor. But short sighted fellow Victorians lose their s$&@

 

[Roylion]

Brisbane need to get rid of leppitch first and foremost

Do St Kilda need to get rid of Alan Richardson?

Both Leppitsch and Richardson have coached 52 games for 12 wins over the past two and a bit seasons.

At the start of the 2016 season Brisbane had the youngest and least-experienced list in the AFL. St Kilda was ranked 13th.

Age
13. St Kilda – 23 years and 303 days
18. Brisbane Lions – 22 years and 343 days

Experience in average games played
13. St Kilda – 60.2
18. Brisbane Lions – 49