Do Geelong deserve to host every home game + home final at Kardinia Park?

[Noidnadroj]

Not in finals.

How embarrassing indeed.

It’s like when the Hawks beat them in the PF of 2013 from 20-points down at 3/4 time. Unfortunately the amazing H&A winning streak due to the Kennett curse means nothing then you lose the game that counts. Just like Richmond snapping a 13-game losing streak in the QF of 2017. Or Geelong beating us by 10-goals halfway through 2019…. Then losing the PF from 20-points up.

Dominating a team in H&A but losing to them in finals …. what’s that you were saying about embarrassing ..


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[PhatBoy]

Do you ever read what you type Phatboy?

Teams play at KP maybe once every 2-3 seasons... or less.

Geelong plays on grounds with dimensions different to KP 14-16 times per season depending on finals.

So Joel Selwood has played on grounds with dimensions different to KP 200+ times. Shaun Burgoyne has played on a ground with dimensions the same as KP maybe once?

Gee, I wonder how Selwood can adjust to the dimensions of non-KP grounds easier than Burgoyne and others can adjust to KP…? It’s an absolute mystery.


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Yes, we play on the mcg, we play on the scg which is different, we play at Adelaide and Optus which are different.

other teams play on grounds with different dimensions as well. Why is our ground impossible to adjust to but the others aren’t?

what is stopping anyone from training on a modified field? What is stopping anyone from doing video analysis and working out a gameplan? If Dimma can cure cancer why can’t he overcome a narrow wing?

Sydney have the most polar opposed field of all to what ours is. They don’t seem to have any issue with it.

no it’s very unfair that everyone can have a different sized field but we have our different sized field that’s different sized in the wrong way.


I personally think last week’s win over Fremantle was worth 8 points because of the difficulty we had to overcome away from our cheat ground

 

[PhatBoy]

It’s like when the Hawks beat them in the PF of 2013 from 20-points down at 3/4 time. Unfortunately the amazing H&A winning streak due to the Kennett curse means nothing then you lose the game that counts. Just like Richmond snapping a 13-game losing streak in the QF of 2017. Or Geelong beating us by 10-goals halfway through 2019…. Then losing the PF from 20-points up.

Dominating a team in H&A but losing to them in finals …. what’s that you were saying about embarrassing ..


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Yeah I mean it’s just so embarrassing, losing to a team commonly regarded as the best of the AFL era by a kick. Wow, embarrassing is the word that comes to mind. I was really embarrassed.

‘why’ I thought, ‘why couldn’t we be one of the teams who were just a 10 goal beaten footnote in Hawthorn’s march to three flags in three years? Why? Why couldn’t we just retreat Into a few decades of irrelevance? Why? Why do we have to go through this humiliating process of losing by a kick to one of the all time great teams?’ I thought. ‘This is so embarrassing’ that’s the word I thought

 

[Noidnadroj]

Yes, we play on the mcg, we play on the scg which is different, we play at Adelaide and Optus which are different.

other teams play on grounds with different dimensions as well. Why is our ground impossible to adjust to but the others aren’t?

what is stopping anyone from training on a modified field? What is stopping anyone from doing video analysis and working out a gameplan? If Dimma can cure cancer why can’t he overcome a narrow wing?

Sydney have the most polar opposed field of all to what ours is. They don’t seem to have any issue with it.

no it’s very unfair that everyone can have a different sized field but we have our different sized field that’s different sized in the wrong way.


I personally think last week’s win over Fremantle was worth 8 points because of the difficulty we had to overcome away from our cheat ground

You were making the point that Geelong can adapt to other grounds, why is it harder for teams to adapt to KP? But it’s very obvious why it’s easier for Geelong to adapt to other grounds.

I don’t care that they’ve got thin wings and I don’t care if it’s harder to play there for visiting teams than most other grounds. But to argue that having a ground with very different dimensions to all other grounds doesn’t provide a benefit is ignoring the reality.




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[PhatBoy]

You were making the point that Geelong can adapt to other grounds, why is it harder for teams to adapt to KP? But it’s very obvious why it’s easier for Geelong to adapt to other grounds.

I don’t care that they’ve got thin wings and I don’t care if it’s harder to play there for visiting teams than most other grounds. But to argue that having a ground with very different dimensions to all other grounds doesn’t provide a benefit is ignoring the reality.




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What so playing at Optus once a year is so easy for us but playing at KP every two years is impossible because it’s such a regular occurrence for us to go to Optus? Lol.

what do you propose we so? Put in a second team so that other sides get more experience playing at KP?

how about they just suck it up and get better

 

[BF Tiger]

It doesn’t. Have I whinged about where this game is being played?

It did to a lot of Geelong fans in the 2017 QF.

 

[PhatBoy]

It did to a lot of Geelong fans in the 2017 QF.

Didn’t bother me. We played average and lost to a better team. Fairness would have dictated that we hosted the game but it was what it was and we weren’t good enough.

 

[BF Tiger]

Didn’t bother me. We played average and lost to a better team. Fairness would have dictated that we hosted the game but it was what it was and we weren’t good enough.

Hmmm... have you convinced many of your Cat bretheren of this?

Yes, we play on the mcg, we play on the scg which is different, we play at Adelaide and Optus which are different.

other teams play on grounds with different dimensions as well. Why is our ground impossible to adjust to but the others aren’t?

what is stopping anyone from training on a modified field? What is stopping anyone from doing video analysis and working out a gameplan? If Dimma can cure cancer why can’t he overcome a narrow wing?

Sydney have the most polar opposed field of all to what ours is. They don’t seem to have any issue with it.

no it’s very unfair that everyone can have a different sized field but we have our different sized field that’s different sized in the wrong way.


I personally think last week’s win over Fremantle was worth 8 points because of the difficulty we had to overcome away from our cheat ground

No-one is calling it unfair. Most people are supportive of Geelong playing in Geelong. What we're saying is that it is a distinct advantage for Geelong and you seem to be arguing against it.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Very 'Caro'esque' just how blatant the bias is in this thread - when it's just Richmond posters arguing against fairness, and every other team's posters think it's an absolute joke that 'signage' and 'MCG game quotas' should dictate where the game is played...during a goddamn pandemic.

So much for it being about 'maximizing attendance', and that it's 'all about the fans.' Given there are no fans, it shouldn't matter if we play at GMHBA, the MCG, the GABBA, Ballarat or the Moon.

This should piss off everyone - including Richmond fans. The AFL likes to move the goalposts when it suits their agenda, but when a team comes to them asking them to move the goalposts in the interest of fairness, the AFL does what it always does and listens to revenue and sponsorship over equitable fairness in the comp.

Make no mistake, the AFL will make us play finals at the MCG, even if we draw Sydney, GWS, Brisbane, St Kilda, West Coast, Bulldogs or Port. If we draw Melbourne, Essendon or Richmond, they'll make us again play at their home ground under the guise of MCG contractual obligations...despite the fact that all of those went out the window last year with COVID...and there being a distinct possibility there will be no crowds at the MCG...so we'll be playing there all so certain sponsors can display the signage they want that Geelong apparently doesn't have the rights to.

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TL; DR: When a national competition is dictated by something as ridiculous as what electronic signs will show on TV, in an empty stadium, in order to maximize revenue for stakeholders...at the expense of a fairer comp, that should piss everyone off - as it demonstrates just how much money rules the game above all else.

For the umpteenth time as a Richmond supporter - Geelong should be able to play home games at their home ground.

 

[JayJ20]

Make no mistake, the AFL will make us play finals at the MCG, even if we draw Sydney, GWS, Brisbane, St Kilda, West Coast, Bulldogs or Port. If we draw Melbourne, Essendon or Richmond, they'll make us again play at their home ground under the guise of MCG contractual obligations...despite the fact that all of those went out the window last year with COVID...and there being a distinct possibility there will be no crowds at the MCG...so we'll be playing there all so certain sponsors can display the signage they want that Geelong apparently doesn't have the rights to.

How is MCG our home ground anymore than it is Geelong's home ground?

We've played there 3 times this year compared to Geelong's 6 (including this week).

 

[PhatBoy]

Hmmm... have you convinced many of your Cat bretheren of this?


No-one is calling it unfair. Most people are supportive of Geelong playing in Geelong. What we're saying is that it is a distinct advantage for Geelong and you seem to be arguing against it.

I don’t think it’s anywhere near the advantage you think it is.

I think the weather, the noise of affirmation, the crowd, and the fact that irrespective of the dimensions, we are playing simply in familiar surroundings, make it a much less pronounced part of our advantage than what you’re saying it is

 

[cat_fanatic]

It's easy to play this game. No-one accepted a losing culture. 37 < 44. Handbagger reputation. The loss of 157 points happened at Docklands. 13 > 9. Drug addled coach. Drug dealing players. Drink driving players. Just sayin'.

Jog on champ.

We will keep on jogging, cheers, right into the finals.

Have fun with your next five year plan.

 

[kickazz]

Yeah they probably deserve it.

But as Clint Eastwood said in The Unforgiven, "Deserve has got nothing to do with it".

That's life.

 

[NetworkNerd]

My only gripe is that after 5 stages of redevelopment the capacity is still only 40K. Would be awesome if the capacity was 55K or so

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

Depending on the category you fall into, this is my thesis on the topic

I care about where my teams plays their home games - Fair enough

I care about where another team plays their home games - Grow up

 

[beema limapep]

I'll bite.

Embarrassing is accepting decades of a losing culture.
Losing by 157 points, period.
Multiple failed 5 year plans.
Being gifted years of high draft picks and happening on a terrific quality team, only for your coach to fukc the help, inadvertantly fcuking your threepeat dynasty chances.

Richmond, like Hawthorn came and went at the grace of equalisation.

Geelong remain strong. No flags in the last decade granted, but a culture of perseverance and a destination club can not be denied.

3 flags in 57 years.

Even North have a better hit rate

 

[Farang83150]

LOL at all the richmond supporters coming out after the decisions been made and saying they're more than happy to play in geelong...as usual so FOS.

 

[Shadow89]

How is MCG our home ground anymore than it is Geelong's home ground?

We've played there 3 times this year compared to Geelong's 6 (including this week).

MCG and Marvel are still classified as both your designated home grounds aren't they? Or is it just Marvel now?

 

[Shadow89]

For the umpteenth time as a Richmond supporter - Geelong should be able to play home games at their home ground.

Wasn't saying there weren't Richmond posters onside (yourself and your posts being a good example), was just saying that it's mainly Richmond posters who are arguing against it

 

[JayJ20]

MCG and Marvel are still classified as both your designated home grounds aren't they? Or is it just Marvel now?

7 home games at Marvel and 4 at the MCG.

We play a similar amount of MCG games to Geelong every year so equating us with Richmond and Melbourne who play 12+ games there is a stretch.

 

[Noidnadroj]

What so playing at Optus once a year is so easy for us but playing at KP every two years is impossible because it’s such a regular occurrence for us to go to Optus? Lol.

what do you propose we so? Put in a second team so that other sides get more experience playing at KP?

how about they just suck it up and get better

Ok - Geelong wins 93% of games at KP or whatever it is over the last decade, but that’s not related in any way to away teams struggling to adapt to the ground as well as they do other away venues. Ok then.

I’m not saying teams shouldn’t get better or it’s Geelong’s fault, just that for some reason the advantage Geelong gets from their home ground is significantly greater than the advantage other teams get. They are just the facts. I’m not saying that’s an issue or teams shouldn’t get better or Geelong’s not great away from home.

Why dispute the facts or get upset about them when they are so obvious? Away teams struggle to win or often even be competitive at KP. Are the foreign ground dimensions a factor in that? Without question. Are there other factors as well? Without question. Would training for a week with cones to get accustomed to the dimensions of a ground you play at once every 3-years help? I highly doubt it.




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[Noidnadroj]

I'll bite.

Embarrassing is accepting decades of a losing culture.
Losing by 157 points, period.
Multiple failed 5 year plans.
Being gifted years of high draft picks and happening on a terrific quality team, only for your coach to fukc the help, inadvertantly fcuking your threepeat dynasty chances.

Richmond, like Hawthorn came and went at the grace of equalisation.

Geelong remain strong. No flags in the last decade granted, but a culture of perseverance and a destination club can not be denied.

Hawkins/Ablett/Scarlett : three walk up start hall-of-famers and one legend gifted via father/son. What great skill that took. About as much skill as Danger’s family living in Moggs Creek.




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[PhatBoy]

Ok - Geelong wins 93% of games at KP or whatever it is over the last decade, but that’s not related in any way to away teams struggling to adapt to the ground as well as they do other away venues. Ok then.

I’m not saying teams shouldn’t get better or it’s Geelong’s fault, just that for some reason the advantage Geelong gets from their home ground is significantly greater than the advantage other teams get. They are just the facts. I’m not saying that’s an issue or teams shouldn’t get better or Geelong’s not great away from home.

Why dispute the facts or get upset about them when they are so obvious? Away teams struggle to win or often even be competitive at KP. Are the foreign ground dimensions a factor in that? Without question. Are there other factors as well? Without question. Would training for a week with cones to get accustomed to the dimensions of a ground you play at once every 3-years help? I highly doubt it.




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How many of those games do you think we’d have lost anywhere else? We host interstate sides: we’d probably beat them if we played in Melbourne.
we host st kilda - been average most of that time and we would beat them anywhere generally. Hawthorn have been overall the best side over the last decade. We don’t play them in Geelong aside from one exception. Collingwood have been, besides Richmond, the next best performed Victorian side over that period. We don’t play them in Geelong so it’s irrelevant. North are hopeless and have been most of that time. We’d generally beat them anywhere. The dogs more recently have started to compete with us so you could mount an argument to say we would lose a few extra games to them over the last five years if they were all played in Melbourne. Richmond? Well you’ve played us once there since 2012 so again, pretty irrelevant.
carlton have been mediocre that whole team, unlikely their record against us is going to change significantly - they have played there 3 times in 25 years. Essendon visited two weeks ago for the first time in the same period.
Until the last few seasons Melbourne have been our bitch that whole time as well.

so exactly what pronounced change to reality do you think playing at KP, that is influenced by the ground dimensions and NOT familiarity, comfort, home ground support and the natural umpiring bias that comes with it, actually exists?

 

[PhatBoy]

Hawkins/Ablett/Scarlett : three walk up start hall-of-famers and one legend gifted via father/son. What great skill that took. About as much skill as Danger’s family living in Moggs Creek.




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As opposed to drafting gun players through the awesome skill of finishing in the lower half of the ladder. Nah good argument

 

[BF Tiger]

We will keep on jogging, cheers, right into the finals.

Have fun with your next five year plan.

You can help us out surely... you're nearing the end of your second 5 year plan since your last premiership, and you worked through nine of them prior to your 07-11 purple patch.