Doc Reid

[FuManchu]

After yesterdays presser from the AFLPA, in which Prendergast said the following:

The players took all reasonable steps to ensure that the substances they were to be administered were compliant with the WADA Code, and were provided with written guarantees to this effect. If it turns out that those substances were not compliant, and the players were deceived by those who they were asked to trust, they should not be punished as a result.”

This surely implicates Reid and shows his negligence in the whole matter. He stood in front of the player with Hird at the start of the supplements program, which Hird admitted was going to push the boundaries and to quote mcveigh, said everything was 'checked, double checked' But obviously not.

If Reid is in charge of ensuring the players medical well being and as Prendergast says, was entrusted to do the right things on behalf of the players, how is he still at the club?

How could the current administration allow a doctor to remain at the club, when all he did when confronted with a pharmacological program getting out of control, wrote a letter in protest and subsequently did nothing else? He should have walked out on the club and reported the program to ASADA and the AFL when the club failed to act. That was his obligation at a minimum as a doctor.

He has avoided scrutiny and sanction when he should have been one of the main targets.

 

[Pack Specialist]

Essendon is supposed to be a professional sporting entity and Doc Reid a professional medical practicioner, it has become clear that they both failed in their duty of care to the players.

Doc Reid's reward for negligence was to be given a slap with a wet lettuce leaf and be placed in the EFC hall of fame...

This is despicable and as much as Hird and Dank are complicit in this, Reid is also.

Fair enough he didn't know about the ins and outs of the program to begin with, but when he found out, he answered with words and no action, this a gross misconduct of his duty as a supposed medical professional.

I'm sure Doc will have a case to answer in due course.

 

[I Rock]

He has escaped scrutiny and sanction despite being one of, if not the most culpable because his Medico Association mates stepped in and the AFL cowered like a beaten puppy.

 

[1061]

ASADA is having to break the old private school boys mafia that runs Melbourne sport/business/politics/media and looks out for each others best interest.

This is about the Haves and Have Nots!

 

[carloss]

I'd be very careful if I was the OP in making public allegations about Essendon's club doctor.

 

[hawk65]

I'd be very careful if I was the OP in making public allegations about Essendon's club doctor.

Why. Its clear that he didn't do enough to stop what was going on. Wrote a letter. Wow.

 

[fishardansin]

After yesterdays presser from the AFLPA, in which Prendergast said the following:

The players took all reasonable steps to ensure that the substances they were to be administered were compliant with the WADA Code, and were provided with written guarantees to this effect. If it turns out that those substances were not compliant, and the players were deceived by those who they were asked to trust, they should not be punished as a result.”

This surely implicates Reid and shows his negligence in the whole matter. He stood in front of the player with Hird at the start of the supplements program, which Hird admitted was going to push the boundaries and to quote mcveigh, said everything was 'checked, double checked' But obviously not.

If Reid is in charge of ensuring the players medical well being and as Prendergast says, was entrusted to do the right things on behalf of the players, how is he still at the club?

How could the current administration allow a doctor to remain at the club, when all he did when confronted with a pharmacological program getting out of control, wrote a letter in protest and subsequently did nothing else? He should have walked out on the club and reported the program to ASADA and the AFL when the club failed to act. That was his obligation at a minimum as a doctor.

He has avoided scrutiny and sanction when he should have been one of the main targets.

Obviously it was checked and double checked in regards to what was in the program. Despite some people on here continuing to claim that AOD was an issue, it wasn't. The only issues are if Dank administered the wrong thymosin and what happened over one weekend leading up to ANZAC day at a clinic away from the club. Seems like the clinic is either given the all clear or there is no way of getting any actual evidence of wrong doings. However, the text messages surrounding TB4 make ASADA think there is potentially a doping violation there.

 

[fishardansin]

Why. Its clear that he didn't do enough to stop what was going on. Wrote a letter. Wow.

Pretty sure his letter was more about how a quack was managing to sideline him and that the club was stupid going down a path of using supplements that have an efficacy equivalent to homoeopathy.

 

[hawk65]

Obviously it was checked and double checked in regards to what was in the program. Despite some people on here continuing to claim that AOD was an issue, it wasn't. The only issues are if Dank administered the wrong thymosin and what happened over one weekend leading up to ANZAC day at a clinic away from the club. Seems like the clinic is either given the all clear or there is no way of getting any actual evidence of wrong doings. However, the text messages surrounding TB4 make ASADA think there is potentially a doping violation there.

But see that's where the problem lies. Neither the Doctor or any of the players ever contacted ASADA directly to check on the status of the supplements that were going to be injected. Would have saved them a bit of grief if they had.

 

[Sam The Doc]

I'd be very careful if I was the OP in making public allegations about Essendon's club doctor.

Yeah because bigfooty forum is the number one source to help with the findings.

 

[hawk65]

Pretty sure his letter was more about how a quack was managing to sideline him and that the club was stupid going down a path of using supplements that have an efficacy equivalent to homoeopathy.

From memory his letter was a bit more detailed than that as were his concerns about what was being used. It was part of his job to take it further instead of rolling over to Hird.

 

[I Rock]

I'd be very careful if I was the OP in making public allegations about Essendon's club doctor.

Are you suggesting that Doc Reid was not the Club Doctor during the time a program was running that the Club claims they don't have records or know every substance used?

 

[Red Bull]

I'd be very careful if I was the OP in making public allegations about Essendon's club doctor.

More legal threats ??
The people have had enough of it from the efc
As a professional , Dr Reid's performance in this saga has been disgraceful and sad .
To think the man threw away a lifetimes work over a schoolboy infatuation with the senior coach is testament to the power of James Albert Hird at the efc .

 

[Pack Specialist]

I'd be very careful if I was the OP in making public allegations about Essendon's club doctor.

Everyone knows that Essendon only threatens legal action.

 

[fishardansin]

But see that's where the problem lies. Neither the Doctor or any of the players ever contacted ASADA directly to check on the status of the supplements that were going to be injected. Would have saved them a bit of grief if they had.

You contact ASADA and see what happens. There were many on here banging on and on about Essendon having no chance of getting an all clear from ASADA, because they just don't do that. Those on your side of the argument need to pick a side regarding that.

From memory his letter was a bit more detailed than that as were his concerns about what was being used. It was part of his job to take it further instead of rolling over to Hird.

Sorry, why is it Hird? Hamilton and Corcoran would be Reid's direct bosses, and Hird's. The CEO is above them and he answers to the board. Judging by some text messages Hird was all for it, but it wasn't his call.

 

[fishardansin]

More legal threats ??
The people have had enough of it from the efc
As a professional , Dr Reid's performance in this saga has been disgraceful and sad .
To think the man threw away a lifetimes work over a schoolboy infatuation with the senior coach is testament to the power of James Albert Hird at the efc .

Funny that, because other people are dismayed that Essendon hasn't been more litigious regarding reputation damaging untruths and deliberate exaggerations in the press as well as the leaks coming from ASADA and AFL. Of course Essendon and "the Hird camp" started to play that game later on but it was too late and they had lost control of the PR battle.

 

[hawk65]

You contact ASADA and see what happens. There were many on here banging on and on about Essendon having no chance of getting an all clear from ASADA, because they just don't do that. Those on your side of the argument need to pick a side regarding that.
Are you saying ASADA isnt the authority for players to go to about banned substances?.


Sorry, why is it Hird? Hamilton and Corcoran would be Reid's direct bosses, and Hird's. The CEO is above them and he answers to the board. Judging by some text messages Hird was all for it, but it wasn't his call.

Hird was all for what. His program. From his "united nations" comment about the getting the Dr back on board it would seem he wanted him to stop creating waves. And the Dr did. So whether you want to blames Hamilton, Corcoran or Hird, it was Hirds desire to stop him interferring.

 

[FuManchu]

I'd be very careful if I was the OP in making public allegations about Essendon's club doctor.

Which part of this is untrue?

The AFL wanted to take him to task over his inaction but didn't want to take on the AMA. I'm surprised the AMA saw fit to support a person who knew improper oversight over medical practices were taking place and didn't take his concerns to the bodies overseeing such practices.

 

[FuManchu]

Hird was all for what. His program. From his "united nations" comment about the getting the Dr back on board it would seem he wanted him to stop creating waves. And the Dr did. So whether you want to blames Hamilton, Corcoran or Hird, it was Hirds desire to stop him interferring.

Reid should have acted by informing the correct authorities regarding this matter. He wrote a letter and then absolved himself from any further responsibility to shut the program down. Friend or no friend, his medical responsibilities far outweigh any friendships

 

[jenny61_99]

You contact ASADA and see what happens. There were many on here banging on and on about Essendon having no chance of getting an all clear from ASADA, because they just don't do that. Those on your side of the argument need to pick a side regarding that.



Sorry, why is it Hird? Hamilton and Corcoran would be Reid's direct bosses, and Hird's. The CEO is above them and he answers to the board. Judging by some text messages Hird was all for it, but it wasn't his call.

Yet it was to James and Paul Hamilton Reid addressed his letter.

 

[FuManchu]

Yet it was to James and Paul Hamilton Reid addressed his letter.

But due credit, he held his breath and stamped his feet in protest to show them how aggrieved he was.

 

[base615]

Pretty sure his letter was more about how a quack was managing to sideline him and that the club was stupid going down a path of using supplements that have an efficacy equivalent to homoeopathy.

The point is he wrote that letter, didn't get the response he wanted, yet continued to work at Essendon without escalating the matter further. That makes him complicit and negligent in his duty of care. Had he resigned or alerted the authorities, as he should have, we would not be having this conversation.

 

[Rusty Brookes]

There's some real untested assertions in Prendegast's statement:

1) The players took all reasonable steps to ensure that the substances they were to be administered were compliant with the WADA Code - where's the evidence of this? Do players have records of conversations with WADA? E-mails? Anything? So far "all reasonable steps" seems to be put trust in their senior staff. Sadly I don't think this constitutes all reasonable steps.

2) players were deceived by those who they were asked to trust, they should not be punished as a result. I agree with the first part but the conclusion here is wrong. Unfortunately the players have to be punished as a result. Yes, it seems as though the players may have been unaware of what they were being injected but ignorance is no alibi. It would sent a precedent where coaches or medical staff could inject whatever they liked into players and upon a positive drug test, allow the athlete themselves to absolve any responsibility of what is injected into their own body. Everyone was quite happy to ban those female Chinese swimmers after their coaches had them roided to the max. It may well have been the case that the swimmers themselves were unaware that they were breaching WADA rules - it doesn't matter, they had to be banned. I can't see the difference here.

 

[fishardansin]

Hird was all for what. His program. From his "united nations" comment about the getting the Dr back on board it would seem he wanted him to stop creating waves. And the Dr did. So whether you want to blames Hamilton, Corcoran or Hird, it was Hirds desire to stop him interferring.

Yes Hird obviously to Robinson at his word that the program was worthwhile, in fact vital to the fitness regime at the time.

 

[Baldur]

He has escaped scrutiny and sanction despite being one of, if not the most culpable because his Medico Association mates stepped in and the AFL cowered like a beaten puppy.

Pretty much, his insurer was willing to fund his defence. The AFL backed down, they like to manage outcomes with backroom deals. Open fights is not their sort of thing.