grassman75
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The Bruce miss should have been a goal because it was an easy shot for a full forward
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The Bruce miss should have been a goal because it was an easy shot for a full forward
grassman75
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This. There was one instance i saw where we lost the ball and the camera angle showed 5 dogs standing there looking lost with hands on hips while Sydney ran it out the opposite side.
Don't even get me started on the cutesy chipping back and forward across the goal line that resulted in Amartey kicking it out of the air
Having said that, this was always a danger game after the big trip to Perth and a very flat performance last week v the Roos. The signs were there last week and Sydney were an absolute moral at $3.50.
We had a very inexperienced line up in Garcia, JUH, Weightman, Young to name a few. To get within 19 point was an indictment on the Swans.
We will earn more from that game as we will have from the Melbourne game
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We fell into exactly the same trap as the Melbourne game so what makes you think we will learn from it this time?
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I hope we learn from it. We were awful yesterday and only lost by 19. Yeah its still a loss but we were able to stem the flow.
A few different players out there in this game vs Dees game, even more less experienced players than the Dees game.
I like to think Bevo is keeping his powder dry, but i do hear you
This.
We all at least think we know what our ideal set-up is. That is, playing a team where Martin is in the ruck and English plays 60-70 fwd alongside two other talls.
Therefore you have to wonder why we haven't played sweet more over the past two months.
There were a few odd moves happening yesterday. JJ back to defense after he's played mostly fwd. I could be wrong but it seemed like Macrae was off for a large part at the start of the last qtr. Hannan on a wing.
Sometimes I think Bev is really foxing and trying to throw other teams off. Well I hope so anyway.
#inbevowetrust
As good as the Swans are playing its going to be a tough ask coming from 6th. They are predominantly a young team & have been/will be on the road for a while which is tiring. It can be done as we proved in 2016 but the odds are stacked against them. For me the top 3, Dees, Dogs and Cats will fight it out in September. Brisbane are struggling for consistency and losing Hipwood for the year will hurt them, while Port, the Eagles & whoever else makes the 8 are not up to it.
Bevo discussed it in his presser.
inexperience and players new to the system and team changes mean players aren’t aware of their role means our defensive structure and offensive pattern is off.
You can tell he desperately wants his best 22 playing together as much as possible before we get to the finals.
you can see why teams Melbourne and Sydney have it so good. They play the same team every week.
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It wasn’t just the kids bombing it long. I getthe injuries effect things but when everyone is doing it that is no excuse Imo
Norf are showing exactly how to play against that setup as we speak
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Bevo has stated a few times that he doesn’t like to talk about injured players as it’s disrespect to the 22 that played, but his presser was the closest I’ve seen him to lament the missing players. He knows a flag is up for grabs.
It seems to be a frustrating pattern of Bevo's. When things go wrong he takes either too long to make changes or is too stubborn to keep trying the same thing. That is what has seemed to me in the games we have lost This year.
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Norf showed tonight how to play against a team that sits back and no one can tell me we don’t have more talent on the field than Norf do.
Afl Footballers don’t need to train to lower the eyes they should be able to do it on instruction.
I don’t accept for a second it purely the players fault when we have consistently reverted to it for 3-4 years when we are pressured
Two of them at least will be dropped. In will come Naughton, Mclean and DUNKLEY.
I got your point here. Whenever we come up against a well organised defence we resort to stupid high kicks.
‘Which is why we some continuity of players in there.
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And yet our worst loss is 28 points, with a shyte load of injuries.
4 losses. There'd be quite a few supporter bases who'd take that.
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Agree but that doesn’t explain why players that have played all year continue to make those errors.
We looked flat on the weekend. Even with 10 mins to go we really only gave one push then accepted it wasn’t our day
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So this was my first game in about 3 years (family stuff) and I regret getting tickets on level 3... never again. Not only is it too far to see anything, even the screens are tiny from there. Even though I'm a member I was surrounded by squawking Swans supporters. It wasn't a great experience. Why was level 2 so empty? I get it's got to do with ticket sales etc, but jeez it looked so obvious. Also so much for social distancing, my area was jam packed. Thank you for coming to my TED (whitten) talk.
So Hannan was our 3rd highest rated player and Lewis Young our 4th highest rated player. Who picked that!
By contrast, I certainly picked that Weightman would be near zero, and Bruce would be in negative ratings territory.
It seems every week Bont has more strapping, and is looking less fluent in his loping around. I wonder if he's carrying a quiet injury. EDIT: I see after the post I replied to a few other people speculated about Bont being injured. Sorry for the repetition.
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I will say this for Scott - he is super consistent. He never does anything too amazing, but he delivers the basics reliably. Noticeably in the games where we have been taken apart (Melbourne, Richmond) he was one of the better players in the team both times. I was never a great fan of his, but i see why Bevo likes him.
50% kicking efficiency in the forward half is all I needed to see. Those were the worst Inside 50 entries I've seen from our team since 2018-19. Our efficiency across the field was terrible (SO MANY missed handballs!) but the Inside 50 entries were often 5-10m off.
Completely agree about the small forwards. That was not only Weightman's worst game for us so far, but it was one of the worst games I've seen anyone play for some time when delivering a serious effort. He was definitely trying. But he was kicking terribly, dropping marks, fumbling the ball, playing for frees, taking leaps at unrealistic marks when there was already a taller Dog contesting, and never seemed to get to the player in time to apply defensive pressure. Hopefully, it was a one-off.
You may have confused Scott for someone else. Did not play against dees and was shocking against tigers with 7 possessions, but he had many friends that day.
Sorry, my mistake re Dees - my memory playing tricks with me. Thanks for the correction.
Re Tiges, maybe my memory is playing tricks with me here too. But I remember thinking in that purple patch the Tiges had in the 3rd qtr when a few players were losing their heads, Scott seemed to be doing OK. But maybe I'm being too charitable.
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A few random thoughts:
- That was a bad tackling day. I've noticed that this year we've been sticking tackles really well. I saw in OG's stats that we stuck them better than Sydney did. But it was still a lower % than we usually have. And leaving the stats for a sec, it was clear to the eye that we weren't tackling as well this game. I think our hard tackles are important to the way we play.
- Bruce needs Naughton badly. The way our structure works USUALLY involves the mids first trying to pinpoint a pass to Bruce or Naughton on a lead. But if there are no leads available they THEN deliver the bomb for English or Naughton to throw themselves at. Without Naughton around, it was Bruce trying to take marks in packs instead. And to be frank, he can't do it. It also seems that as soon as Bruce's confidence drops, his goalkicking accuracy drops as well. That was the most dispiriting part of the day for me - watching great kicks like Bruce and Weightman spray them.
- Something that a few clubs have done successfully to us now is to largely concede the clearance to us, but then to pressure the players receiving the clearance. Geelong used to pull that trick on us all the time. Melbourne also did a similar thing (without conceding the clearance). It seems to be an effective tactic against us. The most vulnerable part of our preferred gameplan is that the player at the end of the chain of handpasses needs to deliver the ball precisely. If they miss a target, we are all out of position and don't have time to get the zone back in place before the opposition rushes the ball into the 50. And that exposes our not so good one-on-one defenders (the ones who aren't Keith, Duryea and Bailey Williams). You would think by now Bevo would have crafted a response to the tactic, because every intelligent coach must be onto it by now. This week we certainly did not respond well. Maybe it was a personnel thing, as Bevo hinted in his presser.
- This loss while forgivable is really annoying cause it means we are likely to need to beat Melbourne to remain in the Top 2. And we really don't want to have to play a final in Brisbane (thank god st kilda touched them up!)
- I felt super sorry for Marra debuting a) against a strong one-on-one team like Sydney who were never going to give him the space and time for a cheap possession to settle his nerves with b) when Naughton isn't in the team, who would have drawn the defenders' attention away from Marra, c) when our entire team was dumping kick-and-hope balls into the forward line that he had no chance of doing anything with. We all knew he wasn't ready yet, but I hope Bevo at least gives him another game or two, so he has a better early AFL experience than THAT.
- I think Treloar and Dunkley are such crucially important injuries. Libba is carrying the team at the moment with the rough stuff, and he simply can't do it for 4 quarters. With Dunkley back in Libba will be much better as well. As for Treloar, at the moment when a team locks down our midfield's disposal we have no response. Treloar's dash IS that response.
- That was a bad tackling day. I've noticed that this year we've been sticking tackles really well. I saw in OG's stats that we stuck them better than Sydney did. But it was still a lower % than we usually have. And leaving the stats for a sec, it was clear to the eye that we weren't tackling as well this game. I think our hard tackles are important to the way we play.
- Bruce needs Naughton badly. The way our structure works USUALLY involves the mids first trying to pinpoint a pass to Bruce or Naughton on a lead. But if there are no leads available they THEN deliver the bomb for English or Naughton to throw themselves at. Without Naughton around, it was Bruce trying to take marks in packs instead. And to be frank, he can't do it. It also seems that as soon as Bruce's confidence drops, his goalkicking accuracy drops as well. That was the most dispiriting part of the day for me - watching great kicks like Bruce and Weightman spray them.
- Something that a few clubs have done successfully to us now is to largely concede the clearance to us, but then to pressure the players receiving the clearance. Geelong used to pull that trick on us all the time. Melbourne also did a similar thing (without conceding the clearance). It seems to be an effective tactic against us. The most vulnerable part of our preferred gameplan is that the player at the end of the chain of handpasses needs to deliver the ball precisely. If they miss a target, we are all out of position and don't have time to get the zone back in place before the opposition rushes the ball into the 50. And that exposes our not so good one-on-one defenders (the ones who aren't Keith, Duryea and Bailey Williams). You would think by now Bevo would have crafted a response to the tactic, because every intelligent coach must be onto it by now. This week we certainly did not respond well. Maybe it was a personnel thing, as Bevo hinted in his presser.
- This loss while forgivable is really annoying cause it means we are likely to need to beat Melbourne to remain in the Top 2. And we really don't want to have to play a final in Brisbane (thank god st kilda touched them up!)
- I felt super sorry for Marra debuting a) against a strong one-on-one team like Sydney who were never going to give him the space and time for a cheap possession to settle his nerves with b) when Naughton isn't in the team, who would have drawn the defenders' attention away from Marra, c) when our entire team was dumping kick-and-hope balls into the forward line that he had no chance of doing anything with. We all knew he wasn't ready yet, but I hope Bevo at least gives him another game or two, so he has a better early AFL experience than THAT.
- I think Treloar and Dunkley are such crucially important injuries. Libba is carrying the team at the moment with the rough stuff, and he simply can't do it for 4 quarters. With Dunkley back in Libba will be much better as well. As for Treloar, at the moment when a team locks down our midfield's disposal we have no response. Treloar's dash IS that response.
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Our two lowest rated defenders on the day were the ones in the votes. Sometimes ratings and impact are totally out of whack.
