Autopsy Hawks defeat Dogs elimination final.

[lachy]

I actually like Kane, but the best list in football stuff is just not true.

Just because someone says something that justifies a personal belief does not make it true.

We have a 6 to 12 list, any objective analysis inclusive of experience accross the lines would come to that conclusion.

We are not far from a top 4 list, this is true, but to get there we need further development both individually and structurally from players and the coaching group too

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[go the dogs]

I actually like Kane, but the best list in football stuff is just not true.

Wouldn't be far away. Player for player we are 10 goals better than Hawks yet we lost by 6 which should of been 10. Coaches have a massive say. Mitchell and Chris Scott had 2 weeks each to prepare and destroyed Beveridge and hinkley

 

[Dogs Rule]

Wouldn't be far away. Player for player we are 10 goals better than Hawks yet we lost by 6 which should of been 10. Coaches have a massive say. Mitchell and Chris Scott had 2 weeks each to prepare and destroyed Beveridge and hinkley

So if that's the case, you wonder why are we are even persisting with Beveridge. Thats the question. How much longer will the club feel it owes him from 2016? When will the club swallow its pride? Two years? Five, 10 years?

 

[go the dogs]

So if that's the case, you wonder why are we are even persisting with Beveridge. Thats the question. How much longer will the club feel it owes him from 2016? When will the club swallow its pride? Two years? Five, 10 years?

I have wondered this for years haha. I don't make the call.

 

[Dogs Rule]

I have wondered this for years haha. I don't make the call.

No, we don't. But we just hope the club might have a decent think about things.

 

[Zeno The Great]

Having watched the full replay today without 20 beers, I am a lot more at ease, it was an even game for 3 quarters, we just got blown away in the 3rd.

Opening quarter was very good so people saying we didn't turn up isn't right. Thought the 2nd quarter was very even despite it being 5 goals to 1. In the final 3 mins, caleb hit the post and Jamarras miss killed us, only for dear to score in the last minute.

3rd we got smashed, could hardly touch the ball,reckon that's the best I've seen a team play against us all year.

Last quarter we blew our chances at the start to get momentum. If naughton had let bonts kick go and then weightmans kick wasn't touched by a bees dick, we were back to 3 goals and game on. Hawks were too good and we had some key players really down which u can't cover in a final.

 

[Zeno The Great]

Thought lobb was sensational, he destroyed chol. Darcy really presented well all night. Caleb and treloar tried. Vdm surprisngly was in our better half dozen as well. Not many other winners.

On the flip side, marra and flea had probably their worst games for the year, Gags was completely invisible and harmes had a stinker. English was well beaten by meek, was really disappointed moreso in his dropped marks and being outmarked around the ground.

Maybe I am showing my age but really find the complete lack of humility from ginnivan disgusting. I have nothing against hawthorn at all but his arrogance all night has left me with a bad taste in my mouth towards his club.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Thought lobb was sensational, he destroyed chol. Darcy really presented well all night. Caleb and treloar tried. Vdm surprisngly was in our better half dozen as well. Not many other winners.

On the flip side, marra and flea had probably their worst games for the year, Gags was completely invisible and harmes had a stinker. English was well beaten by meek, was really disappointed moreso in his dropped marks and being outmarked around the ground.

Maybe I am showing my age but really find the complete lack of humility from ginnivan disgusting. I have nothing against hawthorn at all but his arrogance all night has left me with a bad taste in my mouth towards his club.

If we had selection choice again I would of gone:

Out:
Gags, Caleb, Macrae, JOD

In:
West, Garcia, Poulter, Buku

Would of had West play that negating role on Sicily
Garcia to just hit bodies, more than what Gags did.
Poulter for his outside run, something we really lacked
Buku for JOD was here-nor-there, don't think that match up would of mattered.

 

[BrunswickDog]

If we had selection choice again I would of gone:

Out:
Gags, Caleb, Macrae, JOD

In:
West, Garcia, Poulter, Buku

Would of had West play that negating role on Sicily
Garcia to just hit bodies, more than what Gags did.
Poulter for his outside run, something we really lacked
Buku for JOD was here-nor-there, don't think that match up would of mattered.

Doesn't matter who you changed - we left Sicily as a spare behind the ball for most of the 2nd and 3rd qrt.

And our talls couldn't/didn't compete to create the 50/50.

Game was lost there.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Doesn't matter who you changed - we left Sicily as a spare behind the ball for most of the 2nd and 3rd qrt.

And our talls couldn't/didn't compete to create the 50/50.

Game was lost there.

We most certainly needed a plan B to escape our defensive 50, like clockwork we couldn't get it forward and just kept kicking to a 1 on 2 or 1 on 3, they were way too quick at getting across and killing that outlet kick.

Needed to go up the guts way more.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

If we had selection choice again I would of gone:

Out:
Gags, Caleb, Macrae, JOD

In:
West, Garcia, Poulter, Buku

Would of had West play that negating role on Sicily
Garcia to just hit bodies, more than what Gags did.
Poulter for his outside run, something we really lacked
Buku for JOD was here-nor-there, don't think that match up would of mattered.

We’re so reliant on our top guys firing for us to do well, much more than most other teams, that shuffling the complimentary players probably doesn’t do a heap. Our biggest advantages going in was our big name midfield and our big name forwards. Newcombe was comfortably the best midfielder on the ground, Bont was well off and Nash probably had some impact negating. And Calsher Dear was by far the most impactful key forward on the ground. Was always going to be tough from there.

With the changes, I sort of agree. JOD had a stinker but he was the right choice. The three smalls and Lobb/Jones were pretty obvious selections from as soon as Lobb went back, they were trialling who the two complimentary guys would be. Coffield just didn’t seem to quite find his mojo, wasn’t bad but didn’t bring any of the traits he was talked up for but that is probably what two and a half years of injuries does, Khamis had some really good games and some really awful ones. He is just too unreliable at ground level and in one on one contests for me to ever trust him in a final. Think Freijah and JOD were really good after they came back in late in the season and think it was the obvious call to play them both. Maybe if Busslinger had been given a chance earlier in the year he’d have been an option but they are playing the long game with him which is fine.

West just had to be in. A bizarre selection and seems equally stupid in hindsight as it was at the time. Maybe Sicily dominates anyway but we’ve used him in that role with success at times this year and was the obvious option to do it again. I like Gallagher as a prospect but nothing I’ve seen of him this year suggested he’d be ready for a game of this magnitude, was always a worry for me. He played well when he came back for the last few weeks and considering he wasn’t getting dropped when he played several bad games in a row, so it was always likely he’d stay in but don’t think it was a smart play. Daniel I feel like should only play as the designated kicker out of the backline who doesn’t have to depend much and since we’ve got Dale playing that role at a higher level, I’m not convinced there is a spot for him. Poulter is a strange one. Thought he was playing really well and then sort of just got dropped out of nowhere. Not convinced we got more out of the position after his omission. I don’t trust him but thought our best look was when he and Williams were the two wings. A little surprised we moved away from it but not surprised he didn’t come back after he was omitted, felt like they made the call after Adelaide that he wasn’t the guy which seems harsh when so many didn’t rock up that day either.

Probably would have changed very little considering almost everyone except Lobb were off, or even a long way off, their A-game. But don’t think we gave ourselves the best chance at the selection table.

 

[Mr. Walker]

It’s only one game but the final against Hawthorn didn’t change anything for me which is a problem.
The players who imo are suspect in being up to it all performed that way. VDM, Harmes, Gallagher and JOD gave us nothing. I just don’t see it with those last two . I keep waiting to see what others do from them but it eludes me
I hope the lesson from the game that Bev takes to heart is not to gift games to players who don’t perform. They won’t repay the faith in finals.

 

[maddog37]

Any reason JUH didn’t tag Sicily?

He would have led him to the ball at least.

 

[BEaston]

I don't know why we changed our structure so much.

Harmes into the midfield? Should have just started Macrae.

Midfielders coming into the centre bounce from the D50 (Bont, Ed, etc all did this at times). Did nothing.

Gallagher had shown all season that he wasn't ready for AFL. Should have never come back into the team, let alone be picked for a massive final like this.

Still something mentally not right with the playing group. Just way too up and down.

Apart from all that, Hawks were just better in every facet. I'm not sure we could have beat them even at our best, I do think they will win the premiership this year.

 

[TommyD13]

I actually thought Gallagher was pretty solid for the chunk of the game he was on for…

 

[Golden_6]

I actually thought Gallagher was pretty solid for the chunk of the game he was on for…

5 touches and 2 clangers in 47% TOG. We must have low standards for some players.

 

[Doggies_13]

Gee we have some loser mentality supporters.

Did Richmond sit there after multiple elimination final losses and say oh well we were better than the bottom 10 you can’t place too many expectations.

No! They didn’t accept it they did a review, went and got the players they needed and won 3 flags.

We aren’t in the EPL where there is no equalisation and you destined to live in the same realm of performance which is capped.

Accepting that oh well we made finals and don’t expect more is mediocrity at its finest.

If 2016 taught us anything it’s that the ultimate is possible.

So instead of accepting mediocrity demand the club stop sitting on their hands and chase that ultimate prize ffs

 

[Doggy]

I don't know why we changed our structure so much.

Harmes into the midfield? Should have just started Macrae.

Midfielders coming into the centre bounce from the D50 (Bont, Ed, etc all did this at times). Did nothing.

Gallagher had shown all season that he wasn't ready for AFL. Should have never come back into the team, let alone be picked for a massive final like this.

Still something mentally not right with the playing group. Just way too up and down.

Apart from all that, Hawks were just better in every facet. I'm not sure we could have beat them even at our best, I do think they will win the premiership this year.

Don't agree with any of that.

Absolutely could and should beat them at our best. We were absolutely nowhere near it on Friday. The team pound for pound has more quality than Hawthorn.

There is no way they beat Sydney at the SCG and then back it up against someone like GWS / Geelong. Geelong would thrash them again

 

[Bulldogs85]

Don't agree with any of that.

Absolutely could and should beat them at our best. We were absolutely nowhere near it on Friday. The team pound for pound has more quality than Hawthorn.

There is no way they beat Sydney at the SCG and then back it up against someone like GWS / Geelong. Geelong would thrash them again

Still think Port Adelaide can beat the hawks

 

[Sentinel]

Have heard whispers that Bont wasn't injured but was unwell to the point of nearly not playing. Can't say for sure if it's true.

 

[dogwatch]

Have heard whispers that Bont wasn't injured but was unwell to the point of nearly not playing. Can't say for sure if it's true.

So Scrag was on the money?

 

[Sentinel]

So Scrag was on the money?

Something about a broken clock?

 

[Struggle]

I don't know why we changed our structure so much.

Harmes into the midfield? Should have just started Macrae.

Midfielders coming into the centre bounce from the D50 (Bont, Ed, etc all did this at times). Did nothing.

Gallagher had shown all season that he wasn't ready for AFL. Should have never come back into the team, let alone be picked for a massive final like this.

Still something mentally not right with the playing group. Just way too up and down.

Apart from all that, Hawks were just better in every facet. I'm not sure we could have beat them even at our best, I do think they will win the premiership this year.

Midfielders off half back has happened for close to every centre bounce since at least the Geelong game.
Ed, Bont, Libba, Daniel, Weightman, West have all done it at times in the second half of the year

Agree 100% on Gallagher

 

[redmania]

Who is gags? Assuming it's gallagher?

 

[Bulldogs85]

Who is gags? Assuming it's gallagher?

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