Mega Thread Don's Party - The future is so bright, we need some pizza and a piss-up

[Ozzie]

I was watching Moneyball the other day(recently released on Netflix) and there was interesting move that for mine that made me think there may be more to the Lyons trade than meets the eye. In the movie there was a player the List manager wanted at 1st base, but the coach kept playing the other guy, in the end List management traded "the other guy" so the coach didn't have a choice. Now I'd really hope our list management and team selection would be a little more on the same page as this.

Now it was clear early on that we were trying to push Lyons out, low ball offer and all, we all thought this would be to get a pick in the 20's and because we were targeting an A-Grader. Given the A-Grader didn't come and apparently wasn't really on the radar and that we traded Lyons for squat, I just wander if this is List Management opening up opportunities for a CEY or perhaps even a Greenwood.

I almost wander at times if there's players that coaches don't want to perform well, because they don't fit team structure, or are slow/small/poorly skilled, but that they play so well that it's impossible to not select them because you want to be seen to be rewarding form/attitude/endeavour.

Either way, I don't think that there was anything accidental about trading Lyons and I think we've gone into this trade very much with "eyes wide open".

So who was on first?

 

[alexmc]

They already made huge mistake for 2017 by resigning thommo. I cant imagine wtf they were thinking on that one. We all should have seen the writing on the wall at that point. *presses play on "boys club" by ween, repeat one*

 

[Deaneus!]

I expect our midfield will have a different look next year.

Lyons missing.
Mackay won't play many games.
Thommo won't play most games.
Douglas I expect will play most games

Great, more of the same. Organic growth, like when Craig said he expected the senior players / 300 gamers to take their games to the next level. Kids who?

Unless he's left other things we haven't been punished for yet.

What's the bet if he had, that we'd cop the total punishment and nothing would happen to him at Carlton.

I'd take that bet.

 

[Pdub]

Imagine how furious people would be if we traded Douglas at the same age as Lyons, he would have been our reigning B&F winner.

 

[Huntercrow]

It amazes me on Bigfooty how a "group think" can totally blind posters to the facts. I see it so often where a player will be maligned and disrespected totally to the point where there logic just does not make sense.

Jarryd Lyons was drafted at pick 61 in 2010. He was not a fancied shiny new toy. He was not blessed with blinding pace which is why he was available to us. For those that like to dismiss him as an average AFL footballer forget that he was taken in the range where not much is expected from these young men. He was more a suck and see type.

But despite our low level of expectations he managed to debut in the seniors in the dreaded green vest.
Still he was maligned for not being the next big thing.

When the green vest was finally given the heave ho by the league he was given good time on ground and to the embarrassment of the JL haters played 20 quality games of football.

Unfortunately these group thinkers are now out in force again to malign a very good player in our midfield this year.

Totally underestimated to the point where most will concede he went for a song at 43 to Gold Coast.

Not a bad effort for a selection at 61.

 

[hey shorty]

Great, more of the same. Organic growth, like when Craig said he expected the senior players / 300 gamers to take their games to the next level. Kids who?
.

Except Craig was overly reliant on his core of superstar senior players. We will have 1 player 30 or over in our starting 18 next season.

We are going to be reliant on a core group of 25-26yo with a number even younger.

I get what you're saying though.

 

[Deaneus!]

Except Craig was overly reliant on his core of superstar senior players. We will have 1 player 30 or over in our starting 18 next season.

We are going to be reliant on a core group of 25-26yo with a number even younger.

I get what you're saying though.

Apologies, to clarify - I'll half-believe the story when in Round 1 none of Douglas, Mackay or Thommo are in the team, i already don't believe the first half of the story since we had ample opportunity this year to organically grow Wigg, Grigg, Menzel et al and we did not.

 

[God IsThatYou]

Apologies, to clarify - I'll half-believe the story when in Round 1 none of Douglas, Mackay or Thommo are in the team, i already don't believe the first half of the story since we had ample opportunity this year to organically grow Wigg, Grigg, Menzel et al and we did not.

you are only allowed to use organic compost. we were using roundup commercial grade in 2016.

Hopefully Don Burke i mean Don Pyke is doing the gardening in 2017!

 

[Deaneus!]

And another thing

We get pantsed in the midfield in finals
Club doesn't address midfield during trade week
Therefore the personnel must be good enough

Think it's time we sat Campo down and asked him if he wants to run a construction company or be the AFC midfield coach

 

[jenny61_99]

The under rating of JL is staggering.

The over-rating of JL even more-so.

 

[skoobydoo]

They already made huge mistake for 2017 by resigning thommo. I cant imagine wtf they were thinking on that one. We all should have seen the writing on the wall at that point. *presses play on "boys club" by ween, repeat one*

So right. Can we shake ourselves clear of what we know, what we love, what feeds our Saturday horizon, our need for comfort, our fear of changing.......to a life without Thompson.

 

[Elite Crow]

The over-rating of JL even more-so.

Actually the under-rating has lost this one.

Any objective analysis of his year playing mid/half forward flank has him one of our best performed mids for the year.

It's not surprising though you don't rate him now that the club sold him cheap, had he stayed you would be talking about how well he did.

 

[TAFKATMS]

Actually the under-rating has lost this one.

Any objective analysis of his year playing mid/half forward flank has him one of our best performed mids for the year.

It's not surprising though you don't rate him now that the club sold him cheap, had he stayed you would be talking about how well he did.

She's quite predictable.

 

[Sanders]

Apologies, to clarify - I'll half-believe the story when in Round 1 none of Douglas, Mackay or Thommo are in the team, i already don't believe the first half of the story since we had ample opportunity this year to organically grow Wigg, Grigg, Menzel et al and we did not.

It raises a very good question: if we really wanted to grow our own, why didn't we?

 

[Sanders]

Actually the under-rating has lost this one.

Any objective analysis of his year playing mid/half forward flank has him one of our best performed mids for the year.

It's not surprising though you don't rate him now that the club sold him cheap, had he stayed you would be talking about how well he did.

Word

 

[1970crow]

Jeepers, opposition analysis coach Rob Harding has been poached by effing Worsfold. Surprisingly, the last line of the article suggests we're expected to fill the role from within the club. Capel with inside info, or just playing the odds?

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...n/news-story/9bb19d3689dfd6b0ed051d6b335ef77e

 

[DD#23]

It raises a very good question: if we really wanted to grow our own, why didn't we?

because it's just a bullshit excuse of course.

or - and I would also believe this given our form - we've only just realised that maybe that would be a good idea.

don't forget that this is more or less the same brains trust that played Lyons all year just to trade him for peanuts, dropped Henderson after a very good game in the sides awful loss to West Coast just to avoid a contract trigger, gave Wright half a season to try and get a kick before delisting him, AND gave Mackay a 4 year contract extension among other slick moves.

seriously has the list management department ever spoken to any of the coaches?

 

[FR0GGY]

Jeepers, opposition analysis coach Rob Harding has been poached by effing Worsfold. Surprisingly, the last line of the article suggests we're expected to fill the role from within the club. Capel with inside info, or just playing the odds?

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...n/news-story/9bb19d3689dfd6b0ed051d6b335ef77e

he looks like the guy that sits next to pyke every week in the box doesn't he?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Jeepers, opposition analysis coach Rob Harding has been poached by effing Worsfold. Surprisingly, the last line of the article suggests we're expected to fill the role from within the club. Capel with inside info, or just playing the odds?

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...n/news-story/9bb19d3689dfd6b0ed051d6b335ef77e

No doubt a loss... but healthy to have some changes to bring in new ideas.

 

[MRB37]

he looks like the guy that sits next to pyke every week in the box doesn't he?

Believe so.

 

[Sanders]

because it's just a bullshit excuse of course.

or - and I would also believe this given our form - we've only just realised that maybe that would be a good idea.

don't forget that this is more or less the same brains trust that played Lyons all year just to trade him for peanuts, dropped Henderson after a very good game in the sides awful loss to West Coast just to avoid a contract trigger, gave Wright half a season to try and get a kick before delisting him, AND gave Mackay a 4 year contract extension among other slick moves.

seriously has the list management department ever spoken to any of the coaches?

Of course it's a lie, my question was rhetorical

We don't have a ****ing plan.

Take port, they've just come out today and said it will take 5 years to judge their draft heavy focus

They were in contention mindset last couple of years, right up to the start of trade week. Changing tact so viciously is proof there's no plan

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/968b5661b1ebea4a8f0a55049aed4d4c

We also have no plan

Is a coincidence that Hawthorn who have a clear set of objectives, articulated in a public plan to be held accountable to, with good corporate governance have just dominated in recent years?

Unlikely

 

[God IsThatYou]

Of course it's a lie, my question was rhetorical

We don't have a ******* plan.

Take port, they've just come out today and said it will take 5 years to judge their draft heavy focus

They were in contention mindset last couple of years, right up to the start of trade week. Changing tact so viciously is proof there's no plan

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/968b5661b1ebea4a8f0a55049aed4d4c

We also have no plan

Is a coincidence that Hawthorn who have a clear set of objectives, articulated in a public plan to be held accountable to, with good corporate governance have just dominated in recent years?

Unlikely

Hearing the words Organic growth so much and also Tea leaf reader. I think our missing piece of the jigsaw is....

An Organic Tea Leaf Reader!

Include it in our 5 year plan, Please!

 

[DD#23]

Of course it's a lie, my question was rhetorical

I did realise that, but it was a nice enough way to start my own little rant

 

[DD#23]

No doubt a loss... but healthy to have some changes to bring in new ideas.

but he wasn't in a creative role, he was an analyst.

you don't want a new idea of how the Bulldogs won the premiership you want the right one.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

but he wasn't in a creative role, he was an analyst.

you don't want a new idea of how the Bulldogs won the premiership you want the right one.

Different analysts usually have different ideas.