Draft mechanisms under review

[ferrisb]

And here I was thinking it was because Adelaide have a potential top 5 father-son next year.

C'mon man. Don't be silly...








.. it's because Carlton has the Camporeale twins coming through next year...

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

C'mon man. Don't be silly...








.. it's because Carlton has the Camporeale twins coming through next year...

We’re both wrong. Now that Collingwood has Daicos, they’ve given the AFL the all clear to change the rules.

 

[Freomaniac]

Not sure if having a system like the NBA is a good thing..


If you follow the NBA, you might come to the conclusion that this may not be the best idea. You are going to be moving to a player mindset of playing for a premiership for themselves, and not for the club.

In the NBA players move teams to win rings, and it creates imbalance.. because you have essentially super teams full of superstars just wanting to win medals.

The reason this system is bad for the AFL is that players will swarm to the BIG clubs, and particularly the ones on top.. and these teams will remain on top, with teams like GC, GWS, North, etc... never being able to retain players.

NBA is a totally different beast though.

Sure there are decent All star players or decent NBA players that would move clubs to play for a championship.

Yet there are Players that have spent their entire careers at one club like Reggie Miller at the Pacers and Tim Duncan at San Antonio.

 

[Swanssince91]

Should the AFL shift a heap of Vic families to WA and SA to sort out the biased population distribution in Australia?

No just the GF location

 

[Swanssince91]

I acknowledge we shouldn't have been able to pick Logan McDonald and Braeden Cambell in the same draft.

The Swans have spent almost 15 million dollars developing footballers in Sydney, the AFL has just sat back and watched.
If we get nothing for it what's the point?

 

[sr36]

I acknowledge we shouldn't have been able to pick Logan McDonald and Braeden Cambell in the same draft.

The Swans have spent almost 15 million dollars developing footballers in Sydney, the AFL has just sat back and watched.
If we get nothing for it what's the point?

Most criticism is just the matching rules - which ties into the first point.

 

[Swanssince91]

Most criticism is just the matching rules - which ties into the first point.

Bulldogs trading picks to get in front of the Croft pick is just as bad.

 

[Dazza the Viking]

The heading "Draft mechancism to be reviewed" means, How are going to shaft Hawthorn again, we need some new ideas

 

[RUNVS]

The heading "Draft mechancism to be reviewed" means, How are going to shaft Hawthorn again, we need some new ideas

Hawthorn got some pretty sweet concessions in the mid 2000's, plus the introduction of free agency helped extend Hawthorn's run at the top.

 

[Swanssince91]

The heading "Draft mechancism to be reviewed" means, How are going to shaft Hawthorn again, we need some new ideas

You didn't go to the draft for 10 years, how can you say that

 

[sr36]

Bulldogs trading picks to get in front of the Croft pick is just as bad.

I don't mind the trading up. It's that they're able to pay for Croft with a load of rubbish that I don't like. Same with Sydney and McDonald - you got the McDonald pick because you were shit that year - that's the draft. It's that you could pay so little for Campbell that's the issue.

I just think that you should have to pay for first round kids with points from first round picks. Even if it's balanced out in the future - and make it so that you can't take another kid until the points are paid off.

 

[Swanssince91]

I don't mind the trading up. It's that they're able to pay for Croft with a load of rubbish that I don't like. Same with Sydney and McDonald - you got the McDonald pick because you were s**t that year - that's the draft. It's that you could pay so little for Campbell that's the issue.

I just think that you should have to pay for first round kids with points for first round picks. Even if it's balanced out in the future - and make it so that you can't take another kid until the points are paid off.

That's fair enough, we should've been made to hand over our future first

 

[Swanssince91]

Example
Swans select Braeden Cambell at pick 5 after they select Logan McDonald at 4
They hand over their first for the following year, you basically have to take the risk on where you think you will finish.
Swans had pick 18 the next year, they would class that as a win, if they finished bottom they miss pick 1

 

[The Tilt]

Example
Swans select Braeden Cambell at pick 5 after they select Logan McDonald at 4
They hand over their first for the following year, you basically have to take the risk on where you think you will finish.
Swans had pick 18 the next year, they would class that as a win, if they finished bottom they miss pick 1

It's not the worst idea, though arguably there's still too much of a benefit in being able to pocket two top 5 picks in the one draft.

I reckon this is worth considering: If you have pick 4 (or some other pick) and choose not to use it on an available academy player/father-son player, then you can't match for the next X number of picks (i.e. maybe picks 5 & 6). This would have forced the Swans to either use pick 4 on Campbell, or risk losing him to Hawthorn.

 

[Swanssince91]

It's not the worst idea, though arguably there's still too much of a benefit in being able to pocket two top 5 picks in the one draft.

I reckon this is worth considering: If you have pick 4 (or some other pick) and choose not to use it on an available academy player/father-son player, then you can't match for the next X number of picks (i.e. maybe picks 5 & 6). This would have forced the Swans to either use pick 4 on Campbell, or risk losing him to Hawthorn.

That's a little hard, we don't know how other clubs rate the players.
Maybe giving up the first for the year after and making up the difference in points.
Pick 18 the following year 985 points, we would then need to hand over another 900 odd points.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I don't mind the trading up. It's that they're able to pay for Croft with a load of rubbish that I don't like. Same with Sydney and McDonald - you got the McDonald pick because you were s**t that year - that's the draft. It's that you could pay so little for Campbell that's the issue.

I just think that you should have to pay for first round kids with points from first round picks. Even if it's balanced out in the future - and make it so that you can't take another kid until the points are paid off.

But the AFL could change the maths of the draft points ststem to make the decline of points more steep.

It's ugly what clubs do but you can't blame them for gaming the system. Blame the AFL for not updating the value of the draft points values per pick for over 10 years despite having 10 years of evidence.

 

[sr36]

But the AFL could change the maths of the draft points ststem to make the decline of points more steep.

It's ugly what clubs do but you can't blame them for gaming the system. Blame the AFL for not updating the value of the draft points values per pick for over 10 years despite having 10 years of evidence.

I'm not blaming clubs. I just think the system needs adjusting. I actually think it's become a national sport to slag off the AFL but they've done an outstanding job. The game's thriving and the comp is really even despite all the complaints.

 

[Sainter1873]

But the AFL could change the maths of the draft points ststem to make the decline of points more steep.

It's ugly what clubs do but you can't blame them for gaming the system. Blame the AFL for not updating the value of the draft points values per pick for over 10 years despite having 10 years of evidence.

They will update the DVI. They might also ensure that matching bids must have at least one pick in the same round as the original bid.

Laura Kane on Gettable today said they’d simplify the system. That’s a good start.

 

[Freomaniac]

I acknowledge we shouldn't have been able to pick Logan McDonald and Braeden Cambell in the same draft.

The Swans have spent almost 15 million dollars developing footballers in Sydney, the AFL has just sat back and watched.
If we get nothing for it what's the point?

To Be Fair, Braeden Cambell should be on GWS list.

Pennant Hills is North western suburb in NSW.

 

[Swanssince91]

To Be Fair, Braeden Cambell should be on GWS list.

Pennant Hills is North western suburb in NSW.

That's not their zone.
Just so you know GWS has a far better zone than us, we would swap

 

[RUNVS]

To Be Fair, Braeden Cambell should be on GWS list.

Pennant Hills is North western suburb in NSW.

Pennant Hills is North/West Sydney, not Western Sydney.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Father son. Favours established clubs in the comp for over 30 years.
Academy. Nsw and qld sides
Nga. Favoured vic over wa and sa
Home grown talent. Favours vic
Home grown talent in draft. Favours vic massively.

To even up the comp you need to find a way to balance this out.

 

[RUNVS]

Father son. Favours established clubs in the comp for over 30 years.
Academy. Nsw and qld sides
Nga. Favoured vic over wa and sa
Home grown talent. Favours vic
Home grown talent in draft. Favours vic massively.

To even up the comp you need to find a way to balance this out.

The players in Western Australia and South Australia are allowed to take meth during the game?

 

[go_the_dockers]

The players in Western Australia and South Australia are allowed to take meth during the game?

No positive tests
Unlike the Vic's and coke

 

[Caligo]

Bulldogs trading picks to get in front of the Croft pick is just as bad.

We all agree with that I think.