Draft Winners and Losers

[FlowersByIrene]

I do find it amusing watching several posters question the posts from an actual member of a club's drafting team - not a keyboard warrior, but a person that is employed by the West Coast Eagles to pick players in the draft. He has confirmed and verified this on the West Coast board, too.

He has access to far, far more info than us plebs do, and instead of us speculating which team wanted to do on the draft night, actually knows what each team was looking to do on draft night. I would believe him if he says a player had six concussions from 16 to 18 as he is paid to help gather and look at this info.

You underestimate the superiority complexes of flailing, panicking Richmond fans.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Mate, WCE Phil knows far, far more than you or I about this stuff. Again, paid and employed by West Coast to assess the intel and make picks on draft night.

What's your source?

His source: his hope.

 

[eth-dog]

Mate, WCE Phil knows far, far more than you or I about this stuff. Again, paid and employed by West Coast to assess the intel and make picks on draft night.

What's your source?

The voices in his head

 

[Hawks_4478]

WCE had Lalor 1 and FOS 2, Jagga didn't want to leave Melbourne and Draper if he didn't get to stay in Adelaide preferred to move east. Once Lalor rose up the boards and neither of the first two were likely available we were almost certain to split. If he had of held pick 3 we would have drafted Langford.

Did Jagga tell WCE straight up that he didn’t want to leave Melbourne, or was it more hinted/ implied?

Did WCE view the drop from Langford to Bo Allan as being a big drop in quality, or do they see them as being fairly similar players over their careers?

 

[Stan Judkins]

You underestimate the superiority complexes of flailing, panicking Richmond fans.

 

[THE_GUN]

6 concussions for Trainor is bullshit , and how exactly is he undersized when he is 196cm ?

Shhhh dont spoil a good story

It makes them feel better that they traded #3 to get the picks for Baker

(which we were all told ad nauseum that we are delusional and F2 was the best we would get)
Sims is going to be a star and already out marking Balta & Lynch at training and jumping all over Nank

 

[THE_GUN]

Well look at how sad it is when they don't cheat the past 25 years. I think we need to allow them some leeway to cheat a bit

Well the AFL did and allowed the Visy job

Dont you remember them coming whilst they were cooking

 

[Tasmanian saint]

I liked Richmond’s strategy as it looked like an absolutely ideal draft to load up on “talls”, in the 20’s and 30’s in particular.

I said pre draft that I wouldn’t have minded if we’d split pick 8 (which became 10) for say 3 picks in the 20’s or so, and gone tall with those picks.

As much as I love Tauru, is he really likely to be better value than grabbing say all of Shanahan and both Whitlocks, instead? Or Armstrong, Shanahan and M Whitlock?

Obviously doing it that way would cost a couple of extra list spots, but it gives you 3 bites at the cherry instead of one.

So yeah, I’m all on board with Richmond’s strategy.

I love the tauru pick a little risk associated but if he can stay injury free on pure talent and athletic traits alone has the potential to end up the best player in the draft , there is also a good history with players that rapidly move up the draft boards late

 

[WilloTree]

Jagga 'Chris Masten' Smith

If Jagga Smith plays 200+ games and is a Premiership player they will be over the moon.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Shhhh dont spoil a good story

It makes them feel better that they traded #3 to get the picks for Baker

(which we were all told ad nauseum that we are delusional and F2 was the best we would get)
Sims is going to be a star and already out marking Balta & Lynch at training and jumping all over Nank

To be fair, Lynch is ****ed physcially so not exactly an achievement, and Nank has many talents, but jumping is not one of them....

 

[Pistol Night]

If Jagga Smith plays 200+ games and is a Premiership player they will be over the moon.

Yeah and IF Sydney Sweeney asks me to marry her ill be over the moon too

 

[blaisee]

Mate, WCE Phil knows far, far more than you or I about this stuff. Again, paid and employed by West Coast to assess the intel and make picks on draft night.

What's your source?

I can guarantee you that Trainors medical records do not indicate 6 concussions

Anyone that says that is either lying or is misinformed

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I can guarantee you that Trainors medical records do not indicate 6 concussions

Anyone that says that is either lying or is misinformed

I think the issue is that the records don't show up everything. Being at games and seeing him take a hit to the head, and stagger around for a bit is sometimes the only way that you'd know if he'd been concussed or not.

 

[HairyO]

I think the issue is that the records don't show up everything. Being at games and seeing him take a hit to the head, and stagger around for a bit is sometimes the only way that you'd know if he'd been concussed or not.

Do schools and U18 comps not have to log concussions? Or are they being dodgy and keeping them hidden?

Maybe that is where the CTE lawsuits should focus.

 

[Forward Press]

Do schools and U18 comps not have to log concussions? Or are they being dodgy and keeping them hidden?

Maybe that is where the CTE lawsuits should focus.

As WCE Phil stated, the AFL is (for legal reasons you'd suspect) rather circumspect with medical information on players. He has a network of Victorian scouts however, which has far better access than blaisee.

I can guarantee you that Trainors medical records do not indicate 6 concussions

Anyone that says that is either lying or is misinformed

Craft of the Draft, interviewing a coach. Sold.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Do schools and U18 comps not have to log concussions? Or are they being dodgy and keeping them hidden?

Maybe that is where the CTE lawsuits should focus.

Not sure. But access to those logs even if they are taken aren't a given.

 

[blaisee]

I think the issue is that the records don't show up everything. Being at games and seeing him take a hit to the head, and stagger around for a bit is sometimes the only way that you'd know if he'd been concussed or not.

WTF you on about

When did seen him get hit in the head and stagger around?

 

[blaisee]

As WCE Phil stated, the AFL is (for legal reasons you'd suspect) rather circumspect with medical information on players. He has a network of Victorian scouts however, which has far better access than blaisee.



Craft of the Draft, interviewing a coach. Sold.

You have NFI what my network is

 

[Monsterdarlz]

I can guarantee you that Trainors medical records do not indicate 6 concussions

Anyone that says that is either lying or is misinformed

Trainor is known to have multiple concussions and concussion concerns phil_WCE is apart of our Victorian scouting team and if he says he has had 6 concussions I’d be very much inclined to believe it. He had two reported ones this year alone

 

[Happy Mastenator]

WTF you on about

When did seen him get hit in the head and stagger around?

I haven’t seen shit. I’m just speculating as to how people might come to the conclusion that the medical reports provided by the afl aren’t showing everything that happened.

 

[Matrix10]

Mate, WCE Phil knows far, far more than you or I about this stuff. Again, paid and employed by West Coast to assess the intel and make picks on draft night.

What's your source?

Gets his mail from his bookie , very solid citizens in our community

 

[The Jack]

Easily brisbane. Winning the premiership and getting the best player in the draft pool for a few junk picks is as big a win as it gets.

Yep. Great system.

 

[Pomsta]

Hindsight may tell a different story and maybe Faul turns out to be great.

But as of right now not Richmond not going small and taking Reid/berry at 11 (14) was definitely a mistake. Given the premium being placed on SFs/Goal kicking mids and having loaded up on bigger mids already. Taking Reid/Berry (alongside Hotton) was such an easy free hit.

Teams always say “you need talls/Build a spine” but the truth is that you don’t need a good ruck and you can always trade for good Forwards/Defenders or get them in Free Agency if you have the right combination of a deep talented list and available opportunities.

If Richmond go small at with their 4th pick they still have 4 first rounders to take a chance on some talls at 18,+ your twenties picks . 3 After that North trade.

Presumably they take 3 forwards. 1 succeeds, 1 fails and becomes a defender and one doesn’t make it.


Besides typically your star forwards are talked about going top 5 all year. That there wasn’t a player who fit that mould this year is all the more reason to stay away

But Richmond did go small after the talls. We picked up Algar with a future 4th. A lot of mock drafts had him going in the mid-late 20s. If we'd picked up Algar with 28 and not picked Sims do you think we would have had a better draft?

 

[Pomsta]

Grimes was the best defender in the league because he... intentionally infringed at every contest knowing the umpires were not going to call 80 free kicks a game, thereby allowing himself to defend illegally and making him the "best defender" (not that he ever actually was even if you take his cheating into account) - this was the Richmond gameplan, surely you know this if you watched them?

Sounds like Steven Silvagni.

 

[THE_GUN]

To be fair, Lynch is ****ed physcially so not exactly an achievement, and Nank has many talents, but jumping is not one of them....

LOl your above post just indicates you are living in last season

I know it wont interest you but Lynch is now fully fit and jumping out of his skin at training
Nank is a beast and many Rucks have tried jumping over him but usually get on their ass before they can jump

But hey even a cooked Nank is better Ruckman than what the eagles have