StCicatriz
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Is this "son" in the room with us now?
St Kilda President Andrew Bassat tees off on the AFL draft system, specifically father/son and the Northern Academies
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StCicatriz
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Not once did anyone say 2013. You're the only one who's mentioned it.
I'll ask again. Did the lions ever have salary cap concessions? If so when? And when did the fathers of your current father and son players, play for Brisbane?
Good to see a Saints legend having such confidence in his club 
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you do realise father son is a fluke of genetics? and more so where the team actually finishes when the kid comes of draftable age?
What’s more offensive is the AFL gifting clubs with compensation picks within the first two rounds for players that would barely be worth a mid second rounder and yet people are outraged over instances of clubs getting very lucky with father sons for the exact reasons you’ve identified.
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People forget that for every Will Ashcroft or Josh and Nick Daicos, there's a Devlin Brereton.
Or Casey Voss or Bradshaw’s son (both highly rated juniors who couldn’t even get on an list) or other Lions father/sons no one has heard of such as Shane Morrison (5 games) Josh Clayton (2 games) or Darryl White Jnr (rookied for a year and 0 games) or hell Chris Johnson’s son who Lions wanted to take as a Father Son but he declined to join Essendon as an NGA and was delisted after a year or so.
If we’re talking percentages, getting the likes of brothers such as Ablett’s, Daicos’ or Ashcrofts is flukey and sure we’re beneficiary’s, there is still just as many busts too.
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With the new index , probably costs 3 peanuts rather than 1 peanut.Looking forward to Tom McGuane in next years draft. Hope to get him for as close to peanuts as possible.
If you finish mid table, picks 27,45 may not be enough.
You have the advantage because you don't have to travel.
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And Brisbane have an advantage over the Marvel tenants to make it to the grand final because you get real home finals.
We developed his father. We are getting compensation for him getting old and retiring.
You still don't have to travel to the Grand Final, it's still in Melbourne, where your club is based.
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Yes, one of the few advantages Marvel tenants experience.
Why acknowledge that there path to get there is more difficult than almost every other club because if we do overcome those obstacles to make it and happen to play a non-vic side, we have one advantage!
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I suggest you blame hawthorn for paying Battle an exorbitant salary gifting the saints pick 8
StCicatriz
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and remind me again when you developed his father and how you were able to keep that star studded list together?
StCicatriz
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and if you make a prelim you have a genuine home ground advantage and a club has to travel
best we get is travel. we have no real home ground advantage.
fagan by all accounts accredited the trip together as a major factor into winning the flag. explaining the guys love travelling together and it got them some time and space to reset.
The stupid thing about this whole debate is the AFL have changed the system for next season to make it much fairer.
They should have brought it in immediately.
If they had made the change immediately, Brisbane would right now be looking one, and maybe two, more first round picks just to match on Ashcroft. And that is before they get to Sam Marshall.
They should have brought it in immediately.
If they had made the change immediately, Brisbane would right now be looking one, and maybe two, more first round picks just to match on Ashcroft. And that is before they get to Sam Marshall.
Elixuh
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You can’t have rules like future pick trading and then change the rules without at least a 12 month lead in. You can’t rug pull clubs that have made list decisions based on futures trading. fbassat knows that.
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So in other words not every club is getting elite talent via F/S. Sounds like a problem that needs to be fixed.
Gold Coast, Carlton and Richmond also weren't happy with the changes coming in a year earlier because they'd made list management decisions under the pretence that the rules would stay the same.
I'm sure you shared the same frustrations that the system leading to Sydney taking Heeney with pick 18 in 2014 wasn't overhauled until 2015.
I don't base my opinions solely off what is good for my team, otherwise I would be advocating for no change at all.
And the system in the 2014 draft was unfair just like it will be continue to be unfair this year.
Elixuh
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There were multiple clubs who had made list decisions based on future pick trading who were unhappy with the proposed change. Not just Brisbane.
What’s more unfair - rug pulling clubs or retaining existing rules for one more year.
If you want to be able to change draft rules with immediate effect get rid of future pick trading.
Most footy supporters think that the father/son rule is a nice tradition, and probably one worth preserving. There's a nice bit of romance about the son donning the same guernsey as the dad, and there's no real need to cast it to the bin.
But the current system of a points discount in order to make the drafting of that F/S happen is flawed. There is simply no need to apply a discount - if anything it could come with a draft points tax of 10% or 15%. But even just a full points match should be adequate.
The current discount system is akin to if you were fortunate to be part of a group that had access to front row concert tickets before they went on sale to the public. There is no need to also get these tickets cheaper than the public - the mere fact that you’ve got access to the best seats in the house that everyone else salivates over should be adequate. You love that performer so much, then pony up for the front row seats.
Father/son recipient clubs not only receive the best front row tickets before anyone else gets a look in, but they also get to access them a lot cheaper.
This double benefit is totally unnecessary.
But the current system of a points discount in order to make the drafting of that F/S happen is flawed. There is simply no need to apply a discount - if anything it could come with a draft points tax of 10% or 15%. But even just a full points match should be adequate.
The current discount system is akin to if you were fortunate to be part of a group that had access to front row concert tickets before they went on sale to the public. There is no need to also get these tickets cheaper than the public - the mere fact that you’ve got access to the best seats in the house that everyone else salivates over should be adequate. You love that performer so much, then pony up for the front row seats.
Father/son recipient clubs not only receive the best front row tickets before anyone else gets a look in, but they also get to access them a lot cheaper.
This double benefit is totally unnecessary.
