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Now that is a stretch.
He cheated by using a foreign substance to alter the ball, the other guy made racist remarks. I fail to see the link.
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Now that is a stretch.
He cheated by using a foreign substance to alter the ball, the other guy made racist remarks. I fail to see the link.
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What Lehmann did is not cheating. You are getting all confused, probably due to the fact that they both incur penalties. Warne may or may not have cheated, its up to you whether you believe his 'mum' story, but the penalty rightly applies regardless.
Nice explanation, Lowey. I didn't actually count myself, or yourself necessarily, in the category that didn't not know what effect having one shiny surface and one scuffed surface did to a cricket ball, but never mind that.
The fact that they invariably end up changing the bloody thing after 40-odd overs inevery game tends to take the whole late swing thing out of the game to a certain extent anyway.
But that's not the point either ... Dravid did break the laws of the game as they stand, and he got fined.
It just seems so easy for so many to point the finger when it's not one of theirs.
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And it's awfully easy for people like you to go against the grain, merely to be different.
BTW If you look at the way Shane Warne, Mark Waugh and Glenn McGrath have been crucified by their fellow Australians for their indiscretions, it's hard to see your point.
Crucified maybe, but always with that cosy little safety net that there's a whole lot of people who'll support and reinforce them regardless of their silly actions.
I make no apologies to holding different opinions to many on this board. I'm certainly not deliberately "going against the grain" to agitate.
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I think its hard to deny Dravid also has this cosy little safety net, if that is people sticking up for him. His nationality makes no difference in the matter (for me anyway, and i cant see other posts where he is singled out just because he plays for the opposition either)
Not so much here, however, Lowey. And I certainly haven't defended his actions - I didn't even say that the whole lollie thing was inadvertent, which I suspect it possibly was anyway.
And if I somehow one day wind up on India's equivalent of BigFooty, I'll be sure to get stuck into them about mindlessly supporting their own cricketers at the expense of the tourists ....
You obviously didn't see it then - there is no way that it was accidental.
Check out the newsgroup rec.sport.cricket for the Indian view. Believe me, it makes the most outrageous characters here seem like reasonable balanced debaters.
The thing that ****s me is that people can't make a comment that is even mildly critical of an overseas player without being accused by people such as yourself of "mindlessly supporting their own cricketers at the expense of the tourists".
Isn't it just possible that occasionally the criticism is warranted? In my view it certainly is in the current Dravid case.
It's funny how back in the 2 Ws days for Pakistan when Waqar and Wasim would reverse swing the ball and become unplayable then people started calling them ball tampering.
Then the Australians just recently said they would love to learn the art of reverse swing, so do they wanna become ball tamperers now?
The googly delivery was invented in the around 1900s, when it was being used by the inventor, people called it an unfair delivery, but then pretty soon all leg spinners learned how to bowl it.
People will always call someone cheaters if they're doing something different to gain an advantage, but when they're offered the chance to learn that skill, they would not hesitate to try and master it.
Who said Dravid's above any wrong doing? He definitely breached the rules, but the fact remains that he is not a cheater. Cheater is a very, very strong word and you better be careful with the way you're using it. It's easy to throw unpleasant and indecent names to people.
As of Aussies bagging people, I find it a bit stupid that Ponting said his men would never do anything like this, and if the next match an Aussie's caught ball tampering, Ponting would look like an idiot. It's always better if captains or oppositions stay outta these issues and not comment.
People accused us of bagging other countries' illegal drug takers too, and yet when we have one of our own we don't give them the full treatment we do with others, it's true to some degree.
He didn't cheat, as I said, cheat is a very very strong word, he breached the rules, but he doesn't deserve to been called a cheater. A cheater is someone like Shoaib Ahktar, who's been caught numerous times scratching the ball with his thumb and is still doing it. Dravid was only caught once and he's played cricket for almost a decade.
It is a breach of the rules, but it's very harsh to call him a cheater, coz the other teams are doing stuff with the ball, some teams would deliberately throw the ball into the turf to roughen it up quickly, some would stuck their thumb onto the ball before they throw it to the bowler, some are still putting all sorta weird stuff on the ball, like lollies, sunscreen, whatever.
Dravid was caught with his pants down, but a cheater he ain't. We all break the rules in some stage in our lifes, if Dravid's first offense makes him a cheater, then some must be absolute criminals who should be shot.
No, damaging the pitch is definitely FAR MORE serious than ball tampering, a ball can be changed after 80 overs, but in test matches, you bat on that damn thing for 5 days
I'm a dravid fan aswell.
But i think that fines and suspensions is bull**** punishment. A better punishment would be to disqualify the whole team and award zimbabwe the points for the match.
That way all his team mates will be dirty on him for disgracing the team and costing them the match.
But i think that fines and suspensions is bull**** punishment. A better punishment would be to disqualify the whole team and award zimbabwe the points for the match.
That way all his team mates will be dirty on him for disgracing the team and costing them the match.
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You are such a fool that mere words cannot do justice to the magnitude of your stupidity. Please just stick to your Glory Boy site!!
From the Collins dictionary.
Cheat: to act dishonestly to gain profit or advantage.
Dravid is a cheat. He broke the laws and code of conduct to get the ball to swing to gain advantage. He is a cheat.
Funny how the Pakistani's were found to be scratching the surface of the ball after being accused. They were convicted of ball tampering too.
Note that no Australian has ever been found guilty of ball tampering.
As an aside they ran wind tunnel tests on cricket balls and the result was that there is no way cricket balls should swing!!
BTW swaet and saliva are legal. Sunburn cream is inneffective, especially after more than 5 minutes.
Cheat: to act dishonestly to gain profit or advantage.
Dravid is a cheat. He broke the laws and code of conduct to get the ball to swing to gain advantage. He is a cheat.
Funny how the Pakistani's were found to be scratching the surface of the ball after being accused. They were convicted of ball tampering too.
Note that no Australian has ever been found guilty of ball tampering.
As an aside they ran wind tunnel tests on cricket balls and the result was that there is no way cricket balls should swing!!
BTW swaet and saliva are legal. Sunburn cream is inneffective, especially after more than 5 minutes.
Think we've had enough new threads lately
Ganguly fined 80% of his match fee after the SCG over rate debacle.
All other Indian players fined 15%
Good to see a match referee finally making them pay for deliberate bending of the rules (aka cheating)
Ganguly fined 80% of his match fee after the SCG over rate debacle.
All other Indian players fined 15%
Good to see a match referee finally making them pay for deliberate bending of the rules (aka cheating)
]Originally posted by year of the roo
You are such a fool that mere words cannot do justice to the magnitude of your stupidity. Please just stick to your Glory Boy site!!
Thats rich coming from a goose like yourself.
If the whole team loses the game cos of one members actions i don't think anyone would risk cheating like dravid did.
As for sticking to the www.gloryboys.net site. There isn't a cricket board there.
If we're going by definitions, then
* anyone who's ever appealed for a catch they saw flick the pad is a cheat.
* anyone who doesn't walk when they know they've edged the ball is a cheat.
Well, that includes anyone who's ever played cricket, I spose.
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