DT 2011 Forwards Thread

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I thought you had been swayed :confused:

Have a look at the scores Goodes put up from round 15 onwards last year & tell me if you still think he slowing down quicker than ROK. Agree on Pav

I was swayed but the info given wasnt quite correct. Still swayed me a fair bit, if i was to pick a team right now, ROK probably wouldnt be in it, hes on a short list but.

Surely goodes end of season form will ensure that he is persisted with in the midfield.

I cant imagine longie was asleep during the last 7 or so rounds. Goodes is the most durable fwd in the comp and if played in his correct position he is just as if not more underpriced than a Rok without a preseason.

Goodes averaged 109 over the last 8 weeks of 2010 And only 94 over the whole season. He has only missed 3 games over 10 seasons and with Sydney looking like being a top 8 side it's hard to see him not improving.

I think you will find Goodes finishes every season like that, no room for Goodes in the middle as a starting midfielder, he will pay CHF next year. In those last 6-7 rounds he played as much if not more up forward than midfield IMO. Yeah maybe he started in the middle but usually moved forward more in the game eg: more TOG forward than mid.
 
I think you will find Goodes finishes every season like that, no room for Goodes in the middle as a starting midfielder, he will pay CHF next year. In those last 6-7 rounds he played as much if not more up forward than midfield IMO. Yeah maybe he started in the middle but usually moved forward more in the game eg: more TOG forward than mid.

Goodes = Mr Reliable. FWDs is where you get the most volitility in scoring so having someone like Goodes is a keeper is a no brainer for me. Age does worry me a bit but look at Lenny Hayes - he was 30 last year and still plays like a 25 year old. Some blokes just have durability.
 

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Great thing for Greenwood is the dual position def/mid. priced at 290kish is a bit of a stick price range. What are you expecting he will average?

forward/ mid

hopefully a breakout year, so something around 85-90 would be ideal. thats best case scenario. he's in the team atm but could easily get the chop for morton.
 
I wouldnt say North players still more than anyother team for a league perspective, anyway who cares about league :D

If Greenwood is DP than ill be taking a good look at him, i was considering him as a mid only. Should start onball with Ziebell and Swallow next year. I would like to see his tagging role changed a little, but he showed last year he can score whilst tagging.

Does anyone know for sure his positioning?
 
Once again we saw the same strategy with Goodes paying off past yr. Trend is still your friend so why change anything ?

Champion utilities are "go to men" when losing or injuries hit...not being settled in a set role always effects form in any guy, and under Roos he could often take 10 rounds to settle into a season. Despite some talk about "only midfield in 2011", under Longmire i'd expect even more experimentation early and i cant see that as good.

His training is always geared for him to peak when it matters, and everyone that has played this silly game for many years or followed his career closely knows what to expect. You cant flog a bloke like this preseason nor early season especially now that he's no spring chicken...Longmire wont deviate from the successful way his body has been managed and will want to guarantee another 4yrs or so from him.

Will remain the consumate mid season trade target and SC monster coming home, due to durability and scoring just when you need it but have few if any trades left.

At the start you're after total season points, and he's been so durable that u can simply look at these over previous seasons and make your decision...how he went second half of last yr is irrelevant other than how it effects his starting price coz we know his season better than just about anyone. So basically he's a relatively easy choice one way or the other based upon your overall 2011 strategy. You also know by now that he loves playing Collingwood and also loves embarassing the Chad even when he;s in form.

If you're gearing up for tortoise to catch the hare then perhaps...but if you're like me and prefer a fast start he can be one that makes u rip your hair out early with frustration, and its just a silly little game so i'd rather enjoy watching his season than curse him early on :D. DPP or not he's still not a starter for me.
 
Once again we saw the same strategy with Goodes paying off past yr. Trend is still your friend so why change anything ?

Champion utilities are "go to men" when losing or injuries hit...not being settled in a set role always effects form in any guy, and under Roos he could often take 10 rounds to settle into a season. Despite some talk about "only midfield in 2011", under Longmire i'd expect even more experimentation early and i cant see that as good.

His training is always geared for him to peak when it matters, and everyone that has played this silly game for many years or followed his career closely knows what to expect. You cant flog a bloke like this preseason nor early season especially now that he's no spring chicken...Longmire wont deviate from the successful way his body has been managed and will want to guarantee another 4yrs or so from him.

Will remain the consumate mid season trade target and SC monster coming home, due to durability and scoring just when you need it but have few if any trades left.

At the start you're after total season points, and he's been so durable that u can simply look at these over previous seasons and make your decision...how he went second half of last yr is irrelevant other than how it effects his starting price coz we know his season better than just about anyone. So basically he's a relatively easy choice one way or the other based upon your overall 2011 strategy. You also know by now that he loves playing Collingwood and also loves embarassing the Chad even when he;s in form.

If you're gearing up for tortoise to catch the hare then perhaps...but if you're like me and prefer a fast start he can be one that makes u rip your hair out early with frustration, and its just a silly little game so i'd rather enjoy watching his season than curse him early on :D. DPP or not he's still not a starter for me.

I was confused the entire post
 
forward/ mid

hopefully a breakout year, so something around 85-90 would be ideal. thats best case scenario. he's in the team atm but could easily get the chop for morton.

Greenwood was a Def/Mid last year, wouldn't see why that would change. FF may be wrong.


I was confused the entire post

In short what he's saying is Goodes starts slowly and finishes strongly, trade him in mid year
 
Goodes wasn't too bad a starter in the opening 6 weeks, as a forward anyway. (95+ I'm fairly sure,)

To suggest he won't play midfield is absurd, he's there go to guy and that won't change too much in 2011, the reality is though that he isn't getting younger, you just have to expect that increase in scoring deviation.
 
Goodes wasn't too bad a starter in the opening 6 weeks, as a forward anyway. (95+ I'm fairly sure,)

To suggest he won't play midfield is absurd, he's there go to guy and that won't change too much in 2011, the reality is though that he isn't getting younger, you just have to expect that increase in scoring deviation.

His first 5 rounds he avg 95, so he started pretty good.

I dont think its absurb. Sydney have one of the most talented young group of midfielders in the comp and probably the best young group of mids in the comp.

You answered it for yourself, he aint getting any younger and i dont understand why people suggest he will play midfield. He didnt even play much midfield in the last 6-8 weeks like people suggest. Watch those games, sure he may have started the midfield but he would push forward straight away on most occasions, it was simply to try and break that defender that would shut him down.

Morris, Morton, Gibbs, H.Taylor, T.Williams, J.Gibson all played on him in those last 6-8 weeks and they arnt genuine midfielders.

I dont see a problem in suggesting he will play forward when
- Sydney have the best young group of mids IMO
- Hes getting old and this showed in his first 14 or so weeks
- He only started in the middle because he was getting easily beaten starting forward and was simply trying to shake that defensive player in the last 6-8 games
- Sydney dont have a CHF
- Goodes has played very good football at CHF just as good as he has in the midfield and has more impact up there IMO
 
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/97949/default.aspx

Roos said he had little choice but to change Goodes’ role, given the dual Brownlow Medallist’s indifferent form in the past month.

“Things haven’t been working so you’ve got to change it. That’s our responsibility to him as a player,” he said.

“Obviously it hasn’t been working for him as well as we’d liked up forward for the last two or three weeks, so it just gives him a chance… [to] get him around the ball and get him involved early.

“He got some real confidence by getting a lot of the football early and that translated to when he did go forward late in the game and… he was able to kick three pretty important goals.”
 

With work last year saw a fair bit of Goodesy, particularly in relation to match ups and positioning. He def played his best footy late in the year when he went back on the ball and it's obviously where he prefers to play. Looked to have lost motivation through the middle of the year up fwd but got a spark back with the role change.

CHF is tough at the SCG, ball gets kicked over your head a lot. It's a tough situation for the Swans, Bradshaw's knees mean he can't leave the fwd 50 plus they will be resting Seaby / Mummy deep fwd so they have 2 talls deep but need a link. White not up to it at this stage and would be too top heavy with the other 2. Wouldn't be surprised to see ROK move back to hit up fwd with TDL playing a bit higher as the 3rd tall. This would release Goodes onto the ball more whilst rotating fwd which he does a bit anyway. Age is an issue but his body seems to be holding up OK at this stage. They need him fwd and have a great group of young mids but TBH I think to get the best out of him from a mindset and value perspective he'll play fair chunks on the ball.
 

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He will probably play 50/50 early, but as 54dogs said (this is what I came on to post), ROK is a good option to play that key man across the HF line. He has done it very successfully before (All Aus in 2006 from memory), and has a restricted preseason - so itd be a good way for ROK to work his fitness back up before he himself returns to the midfield rotations.
 
Re: 2011 Forwards Thread

One from slightly left field is Matt de Boer. Coming off the rookie list he has had to fight to make the team. Ferocious tackler, gets a little bit of the ball, has had the yips quite badly and has been a defensive forward.

However he is coming into his third season, now part of the leadership group and has been mooted as a midfield rotation (swapping with Crowley?). If he can start slotting some goals whilst playing more game time has plenty of upside.

The question is whether he can improve 30 pts. I'm not sure he can but if he does get C/F status could be useful.

De Boer is one of my favourite players but he is a tagger. Do not pick under any circumstances. You dont pick taggers in DT unless you want to lose
 
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De Boer is one of my favourite players but he is a tagger. Do not pick under any circumstances. You dont pick taggers in DT unless you want to lose
Not necessarily IMO. Sometimes a guy can go from playing a limited role in the back pocket to a tagging role, and that time in the midfield can actually bring about an increase in output since they are around the ball more. Id agree that the true premiums or keepers are rarely taggers (except perhaps kane cornes), but a shift to a tagging role in the middle can lead to an increase from say 50-75 in some instances.
 
Plenty of taggers have stepped up to become premium MIDS. Both Boyd and Cross started as taggers.


Any thoughts on potential FWDs priced between M Morton and Knights? One of my structures needs a 5th FWD in this range but I'm struggling to find an option.
 
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De Boer is one of my favourite players but he is a tagger. Do not pick under any circumstances. You dont pick taggers in DT unless you want to lose

What about Kane Cornes? There are definitely some taggers you can pick, especially as Lakey mentioned midpricers who you think can make the next step up.
 
Yep, and and dont forget that young superstar Kieren Jack? Was and is a good tagger, but breakout year last year and shown that he can find his own ball and score big points..

But I understand what your saying, you wouldnt really consider grabbing a Ling, Jones or Picken in your team even if they do post the occasional big score. You have to be absolutely sure the coach isnt gonna give them a tagging role to be considered..
I personally wont have the balls to pick De Boer, but he could be a great unique pick for you if he comes through!
 
The most interesting tagger type player for the next year is Levi Greenwood, could easily go to a 90 avg IMO. In alot of best 22 from roo supporters he is a staring onballer and has some very good players around him. I think he goes looking for his own ball as a tagger and still looks to have an impact on the game without just shutting down a player.

I would like to talk about M.Stokes and the thoughts on him. Didnt have ideal preparations in preseason last year and has shown in past history that he can put the numbers up good enough for a keeper. Has never quite played a full season but i hardly seem him as an injury prone type of player. With Ablett gone he could get more time as a high half forward with the needs of Varcoe up the ground and Chapman to replace Ablett.
 
The most interesting tagger type player for the next year is Levi Greenwood, could easily go to a 90 avg IMO. In alot of best 22 from roo supporters he is a staring onballer and has some very good players around him. I think he goes looking for his own ball as a tagger and still looks to have an impact on the game without just shutting down a player.

I would like to talk about M.Stokes and the thoughts on him. Didnt have ideal preparations in preseason last year and has shown in past history that he can put the numbers up good enough for a keeper. Has never quite played a full season but i hardly seem him as an injury prone type of player. With Ablett gone he could get more time as a high half forward with the needs of Varcoe up the ground and Chapman to replace Ablett.

He's the ideal sub... either Stokes or Byrnes goes out of our best 21 to the sub position, so i'd leave him alone...
 
He's the ideal sub... either Stokes or Byrnes goes out of our best 21 to the sub position, so i'd leave him alone...

I would thought along with SJ they are your two other small forwards starting on the field. Obviousily it depends alot on the way the coach see the year.

He needs to ask himself questions if he thinks its time to get game time into Duncan, Menzel, T.Hunt ect or does he keep going with the Wojinski, Milburn, Byrnes, Stokes type players.
 
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Not necessarily IMO. Sometimes a guy can go from playing a limited role in the back pocket to a tagging role, and that time in the midfield can actually bring about an increase in output since they are around the ball more. Id agree that the true premiums or keepers are rarely taggers (except perhaps kane cornes), but a shift to a tagging role in the middle can lead to an increase from say 50-75 in some instances.

Paul Stewart ;)
 

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