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DT Forwards 2010
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First I have heard of it! That said, I watched him a couple of times in reserves during 2009 and he did seem to be comfortable in that position. Im not sure about his foot skills though? Seems to be very inaccurate on goal, however field kicking is a different ball game.
I dont know how he will slot into the side though - most people have him locking in for a spot in the forward line, and IMO, our back half is pretty set:
Bolton, Grundy, LRT, Malceski, Richards, Mattner, Kennelly, Smith all vying for spots and Shaw also used across HB on occasions.
How are we going to fit them all in, especially with Veszpremi up there too?
For me, Im starting to think mattner wont be playing the back half in 2010 - just not enough room. He will most likely be playing up onto the wing (DT relevent?), getting midfield tagging jobs (aDT relevent - think doughty - as he did late in 2009) or missing out all together.
As for Veszpremi, when viewed objectively, his first 2 years havent turned out quite like we would of hoped, and with jetta/rohan set to play across HF in the future, maybe a shift back to where he played his junior days (where he was rated so highly) will be beneficial for him.
I plan to attend swans training sometime after new year, and will keep you posted.
I dont know how he will slot into the side though - most people have him locking in for a spot in the forward line, and IMO, our back half is pretty set:
Bolton, Grundy, LRT, Malceski, Richards, Mattner, Kennelly, Smith all vying for spots and Shaw also used across HB on occasions.
How are we going to fit them all in, especially with Veszpremi up there too?
For me, Im starting to think mattner wont be playing the back half in 2010 - just not enough room. He will most likely be playing up onto the wing (DT relevent?), getting midfield tagging jobs (aDT relevent - think doughty - as he did late in 2009) or missing out all together.
As for Veszpremi, when viewed objectively, his first 2 years havent turned out quite like we would of hoped, and with jetta/rohan set to play across HF in the future, maybe a shift back to where he played his junior days (where he was rated so highly) will be beneficial for him.
I plan to attend swans training sometime after new year, and will keep you posted.
Out of interest Lakey, can you tell me how safe you think Kennelly is in the 22?
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Kennelly teared it up in the trial game, doesnt mean a whole lot but good to see him make a quick and successful transition from gaelic, also said his skills were superb and the conditons were supposibily wet. Hes looking set for my side as an 8th back or 7th back.
I dont see Vez playing across half back much, as Lakey said the swans are just too strong in that area, although Mattner and Shaw are very capable of playing the wings and also Malceski played alot across Half forward. Vez might be being used across half back if they line up with this structure and the swans drafted 3 gun small forwards (Jetta, Rohan and TDL), 2 of them should play plenty of games for the swans up forward this year. So he could be a good pick if he plays as a rebounding halfback type. Maybe their trying to use his skill to the best of the sides advantage.
I dont see Vez playing across half back much, as Lakey said the swans are just too strong in that area, although Mattner and Shaw are very capable of playing the wings and also Malceski played alot across Half forward. Vez might be being used across half back if they line up with this structure and the swans drafted 3 gun small forwards (Jetta, Rohan and TDL), 2 of them should play plenty of games for the swans up forward this year. So he could be a good pick if he plays as a rebounding halfback type. Maybe their trying to use his skill to the best of the sides advantage.
Roos has often commented that he will put a player into a different role/position so they can learnt it and become better footballers. They end up moving back at some point or others like Grundy don't end up moving back at all...............that is why I would be careful of picking Vez.
From http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/88330/default.aspx
"All the talk coming from Moorabbin has been about the impressive performance of Tommy Walsh. The Irishman was St Kilda's last pick in the NAB AFL Rookie Draft - and international rookie selection - and is still learning the basics of the sport. However, his athleticism, size and work ethic has turned heads at Linton Street."
Might be an interesting bench option if they chose to elevate him.
"All the talk coming from Moorabbin has been about the impressive performance of Tommy Walsh. The Irishman was St Kilda's last pick in the NAB AFL Rookie Draft - and international rookie selection - and is still learning the basics of the sport. However, his athleticism, size and work ethic has turned heads at Linton Street."
Might be an interesting bench option if they chose to elevate him.
This is really hard to answer at this stage - once preseason finishes and a few NAB cup games we will have a better indication. That said, I think the answer to this lies in a few areas:
1) The swans need for some experience (a steadying hand)
2) How many HBs are injured (ie swans injury toll)
3) Kennellys own injury worries
4) The Swans year - if they fall out of contention early, they may push for some youth
All this said, I think that he will play first half of the season (if fit), and that all those players that seem to be playing across HB will be squeezed in on the wing (and bench).
Hmmm, this may explain his persistance with Malceski across HF in 2009 (when he played) - might of been trying to teach him a few lessons and gain an understanding of defending (from the forwards perspective), however I do seem to recall (maybe?) that he was used as a defensive HF at times too. Bit of an interesting one anyway...
I can almost garruntee he wont get a game in 2010 unless Saints have serious injury problems - the Saints 22 is settled, and they have depth in players who would come well before a very raw international rookie.
Going to have to agree with Lakey on this one, can't see Walsh figuring much this season.
This is really hard to answer at this stage - once preseason finishes and a few NAB cup games we will have a better indication. That said, I think the answer to this lies in a few areas:
1) The swans need for some experience (a steadying hand)
2) How many HBs are injured (ie swans injury toll)
3) Kennellys own injury worries
4) The Swans year - if they fall out of contention early, they may push for some youth
All this said, I think that he will play first half of the season (if fit), and that all those players that seem to be playing across HB will be squeezed in on the wing (and bench).
Hmmm, this may explain his persistance with Malceski across HF in 2009 (when he played) - might of been trying to teach him a few lessons and gain an understanding of defending (from the forwards perspective), however I do seem to recall (maybe?) that he was used as a defensive HF at times too. Bit of an interesting one anyway...
I can almost garruntee he wont get a game in 2010 unless Saints have serious injury problems - the Saints 22 is settled, and they have depth in players who would come well before a very raw international rookie.[/quote]
Come round 19 Saints vs Port at Etihad if Saints are 18 zip Rossy will showcase him to the delirious Saints faithful to show them what's in store for 2011.
gees the saints fans get cocky pretty quick. Think we need to bring them back down a peg. You have 1 flag in over 100 years, stop thinking about 18-0 and start thinking about getting a 2nd flag at some point
Since we are in the forwards thread and on st kilda, Nick Heyne any reports how he is going? Guess he is competing with Milne and Schneider but if one of them gets an injury in Heyne next in line?
Since we are in the forwards thread and on st kilda, Nick Heyne any reports how he is going? Guess he is competing with Milne and Schneider but if one of them gets an injury in Heyne next in line?
Nick Riewoldt, had been a perception that he starts the year slowly, but we didn't really see that last year. So i thought i would look at his first half of the year games to see if there are any against teams he struggles with.
Saints first 7 games and voldts 2009 score(s) against them
R1 V Sydney 39,82
R2 v Kangaroos 120,114
R3 v Pies 126,134
R4 v Dockers 114
R5 V Power 136
R6 V Bulldogs 119,116
R7 v Carlton 124
R8 V Essendon 106,101
R9 V West Coast 102,107
R10 V Adelaide 93,126
R11 v Richmond 94
So he may have a poor round 1 against sydney, but could easily explode in rounds 2-7 which means his price wont drop all that much (remembering that the R1 score only counts in 1 price change).
His 'quiet period' may be in rounds 8,9,10 and 11 where he only averages around the 105 mark against those teams, but will that be too late to bring him in? or the perfect time?
All in theory of course using his scores from last year, but there may be a "lull" in the middle, so I'm guessing the cheapest time to buy him would be round 12-13ish. Doing that of course means you miss the early start which looks good for voldt. Any other thoughts?
Saints first 7 games and voldts 2009 score(s) against them
R1 V Sydney 39,82
R2 v Kangaroos 120,114
R3 v Pies 126,134
R4 v Dockers 114
R5 V Power 136
R6 V Bulldogs 119,116
R7 v Carlton 124
R8 V Essendon 106,101
R9 V West Coast 102,107
R10 V Adelaide 93,126
R11 v Richmond 94
So he may have a poor round 1 against sydney, but could easily explode in rounds 2-7 which means his price wont drop all that much (remembering that the R1 score only counts in 1 price change).
His 'quiet period' may be in rounds 8,9,10 and 11 where he only averages around the 105 mark against those teams, but will that be too late to bring him in? or the perfect time?
All in theory of course using his scores from last year, but there may be a "lull" in the middle, so I'm guessing the cheapest time to buy him would be round 12-13ish. Doing that of course means you miss the early start which looks good for voldt. Any other thoughts?
gees the saints fans get cocky pretty quick. Think we need to bring them back down a peg. You have 1 flag in over 100 years, stop thinking about 18-0 and start thinking about getting a 2nd flag at some point
Since we are in the forwards thread and on st kilda, Nick Heyne any reports how he is going? Guess he is competing with Milne and Schneider but if one of them gets an injury in Heyne next in line?
Ha, thought I might draw a comment from you Chad seeing as it was Port for the big rest day
Not a lot to celebrate looking backwards so we have to excite ourselves looking forwards. Always have been super optimists down at Ackland Street. Go Saints! Lets get excited
He might get a chance to learn this year. Wallace used to just chuck him up forward whenever he was being shut down, so he never really learnt how to shake a tag. I doubt Hardwick will do the same, as they need him in the midfield. Hard to predict what will happen to his scores - they could suffer early, but if he learns how to break a tag, then he could step up to a new level.
If deledio is a forward will probably jump on, but if he is a mid only, i think i will look elsewhere.
What does everyone think Pav will average next year? Can he get back to his 99 average in 08? At this stage I have Pavlich in my side because now that he is returning to the forward line I think he should be able to get his average back up to around 100. He has proven over the years to be extremely durable, especially when playing up forward and is also a consistent performer(doesnt usually have two bad games in a row). Thoughts?
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IMO Pav will average 100-105 in 2010 becuase freo's midfield is delivering better ball. With news he will be in the forwards more, he will score more goals
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yeah im with CHAD if Deledio is a forward i will probably take him, defiantly not as a mid.
I cant see Deledio's avg getting any worst than 95 and hes proven to be very durable. I can only see improvement because he will learn to handle tags better, ben cousins should take more tags aswell and also the more dynamic skillful Cotchin, Martins around him will help to some degree.
Im defiantly not starting Voldt, due to that knee and heard he was doing a modified program till Xmas. Hes also too expensive to start with and will come down in money at some time.
I cant see Deledio's avg getting any worst than 95 and hes proven to be very durable. I can only see improvement because he will learn to handle tags better, ben cousins should take more tags aswell and also the more dynamic skillful Cotchin, Martins around him will help to some degree.
Im defiantly not starting Voldt, due to that knee and heard he was doing a modified program till Xmas. Hes also too expensive to start with and will come down in money at some time.
Yeah I agree.
Re Riewoldt, his knee must not be too bad since he did not have any surgery on it.
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I tend to disagree with the Deledio thoughts, I'm really struggling to see the upside TBH.
My issue is that I see Richmond again as a bottom 4 side hence limited points available. In 2009, 19 players averaged over 100 and 18 of these came from the top 9 teams (plus the perennial Cox). 96 was the highest average of any player in the bottom 4 sides which essentially means Deledio is fully priced unless Richmond improve.
If you are choosing a player in the mid 90s you would be expecting both durability and scoring improvement, Deledio only has one of these. If he holds at a mid 90s average you are then relying solely on his durability to be any value whatsoever to your side. If he gets injured he then becomes a liability.
Personally the only player I would consider who does not have upside is a high level premium captain but maybe others see Richmond improving more than I do, hence upside in Lids.
There was talk about Deledio being dropped in the mid season last year. Apparently the coaches put it to him to lift his defensive run or face a spell in the magoos. The results seem to have come.
His first 11 games he averaged 89.
His last 11 games he averaged 103.
He was tagged by the best--Ling,Welsh,Cornes, Sewell and Picken.
IF HE IS A FORWARD then I can't see much better starting value in the premiums due to his durability and the tendency for other(power) forwards to be less consistent meaning they can be picked up more readily at a later time.
For mine the best STARTING premium forwards look to be Lids, Pavlich with a return to his specialist position and ROK with his extra mid time bringing more consistency to his game.
Voldt turned it around last year but in previous years he has been a perennial slow starter.
2008 First 11 games averaged 86 last 11 games averaged 115
2007 first 11 games averaged 74 last 11 games averaged 106.
Would have been a sensational pickup mid year those years.
2010 ?????
What are people's thoughts on Shaun Higgins? He did have a good year averaging 88 with some very impressive scores. He had 2 scores under 70 for the year but its fair to say he was injured in those games.
55 v geelong, round 9 @ etihad stadium
by memory he was injured with limited time on ground in the second half
64 v st. kilda, round 17 @ eitihad stadium
did a hamstring/groin injury early in the second half and didn't participate any longer in the match. On 64 early in the 3rd term, theres a very good chance he would have gone on to record a ton.
55 v geelong, round 9 @ etihad stadium
by memory he was injured with limited time on ground in the second half
64 v st. kilda, round 17 @ eitihad stadium
did a hamstring/groin injury early in the second half and didn't participate any longer in the match. On 64 early in the 3rd term, theres a very good chance he would have gone on to record a ton.
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