DT Talk 2011

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Dunn - Well Done said:
NO ONE SPEAK UNTIL HE ANSWERS THIS QUESTION. IF HE CANT THAN WE KNOW HES LYING.

Can you tell me why i was asked to rejoin the group under an alias name again If my posting was so bad??

NO ONE POST UNTIL HE ANSWERS THAT PLEASE.

Ill keep posting this until he answers it, that is all.

I dont try and mislead people, show me one post where i have mislead someone, where i havnt put a funny emotion next to it or posted after it to show that it wasnt a serious post. You can anwser that one twat, i mean tants???
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Nice.

Vitriol and rubbish:
Dunn - Well Done said:
I would pick him just because everyone else is. The BF style, cant go past it.
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Misleading (in relation to Mzungu):
Dunn - Well Done said:
Dont touch him with a 10 foot pole:cool:
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Ben the Gooner said:
I've just come home, and found this shitstorm!

Let me give you a bit of a background about FFC and hopefully we can have everyone on the same page here. At the moment, this thread looks like EDT, DWD and a few others arguing one thing and FFC guys arguing about something completely different. There's talk of evidence and proof on both sides, but there's no real issues being addressed by either side.

FFC was founded by two members in January of 2010. One of those members, who is no longer a part of the site, let alone an admin, is a very headstrong individual and had a very clear vision of what he wanted FFC to be. Unfortunately, in the most part, this vision was not grounded in reality. He had visions of every team being "perfect" in the main part, brought about by lots of discussion. Unfortunately, this goal is not attainable by any group, no matter what the quality of posters is like.

I don't say this purely to badmouth this member. His passion for the site created a lot of the good things about the group - the mateship, the culture of discussing anything and everything to do with fantasy footy, be it the specifics (what are your thoughts on Player X?) to the general (do the numbers suggest that the midprice strategy is dead?). Over the months of January and early February, the group grew, and the admin/mod structure changed with that. The admins and mods worked hard to channell the energy of the member in question to positive ends, namely what I mentioned above, and to remove the impossible aspects of his vision.

Come late February and March, we'd reached an equilibrium, where his passion and exuberance was counter-balanced by our more measured approach. We maintained the best of both worlds - we had the discussion that was always intended, but there was never a consensus reached, let alone forced down our throats.

That is not to say that this person didn't post things which we didn't agree on, and intend to follow through with them, but cooler heads prevailed in every case. DWD can claim he was banned because he didn't want to pick Goddard etc., but the truth is, he was banned because his posting didn't improve in a different environment to BF like was hoped when he was recruited.

Regarding Rick Ladson, without being 100% sure, there is every possibility that a post similar to what OneEyedPie posted was written, but to take it out of the context I've given above is naive. The comment would also have been borne of the fact that we had two independent and reliable sources claiming that Ladson would have a fantasy friendly role in 2010.

So in short, I'm not backing away from that quote (although whether it's a direct quote or just an example, I don't know), but I'm providing context. The admin team would never have followed through with any claims along those lines, as much as a certain admin would have wanted to.

Come the end of the season, however, we decided that the site would be better off without such an equilibrium, and instead having all admins on the same page. The admin in question was offered a place in the forum still, but declined.

Regarding OneEyedPie's challenge - bring it on! We're aiming to repeat our DT efforts, and go one better in SC, and I'm sure EDT is aiming to topple us. However, we're after a friendly rivalry, none of the vitriol that has been posted by posters from both sides in this thread.

So if you're interested in a good old fashioned rivalry between the new kids on the block and the old timers, we're up for it too. If you want to take potshots at either group, that's your prerogative, but we're not interested.

All the best to all your teams, whatever their affiliation, in 2011, and may your teams and leagues finish just behind those of FFC.
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Appreciate the post BTG,

You didn't owe anybody such a candid reply, but you offered it anyway and I'm sure everybody who has been engaged in this discussion respects that. On a personal note, yes I wanted to generate a healthy rivalry, but I may have overstepped the mark with some of my comments. Conversely, a large majority of the talking points were made with good intentions, however they were often interpreted poorly or misjudged.

A clash of egos is probably to be expected when two passionate groups enter such a delicate discussion. I firmly believe that both parties will be better off for what has occured tonight and I'm positive that the rivalry will continue to grow in a manner that doesn't compromise the idealic notion of a 'fair game'.

I guess I started this argument and I intend to finish it. I have put myself on the line and I stand by my actions.

Bring it on in 2011, it should be an interesting year.


Staggy
 
tants said:
Nice.

Vitriol and rubbish:


Misleading (in relation to Mzungu):
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Ones about Callinan who im saying pick and hes 80k and will get games.

The other is about MZungu who as i said has an emotion next to him, so that rules him out.

Plus look at my next 2-3 post in that thread.

I think you just got BURNT :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
 
DWD, I did answer the question. You were recruited (again) to FFC because your posting has potential, and it still does. The unfortunate thing for you is that you let yourself down when you get personal and become unreasonable.

I have said that a previous administrator didnt help your cause, but you didnt help yourself either. You were entitled to your opinion, it was the manner in which you went about it.

You know that I am not lying here DWD, and you should respect how this has been handled. We're not trying to make you look bad, we're just defending your accusations.

Lets just move on :)
 
Yeah let's not take it all too seriously, good responses BTG, Stillgotmybeanie, and staggy.

DWD, time to stop mate, party's over.
 
Dunn - Well Done said:
Ones about Callinan who im saying pick and hes 80k and will get games.

The other is about MZungu who as i said has an emotion next to him, so that rules him out.

Plus look at my next 2-3 post in that thread.

I think you just got BURNT :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
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If you don't see how the post about Callinan is rubbish then I doubt you will ever realise how bi-polar some of your posting is.

Yes you did put an emoticon next to that post, as explained in my last post I will retract that statement because I CBF looking for another example.

As I originally stated (as has been reiterated by a number of posters) you can/do add significantly to BF at times, but you also add nothing but vitriol and rubbish at other times.

Anyway good luck to your team this year.
 
Dunn - Well Done said:
So you picked me to rejoin because i can post quality at times but knew that i can also post crap and have personal attacks. Wouldnt you think that after 3 years of watching me post, being on fantasy football club already for several months and being told that you would never be reinvited to FFC would make you think twice about asking me to rejoin?????? Surely you wouldve learnt.

You may have hit the nail on the head, but like the other issue on here with FFC you guys cant quite seem to just admit it. Cant admit that i was banned due to arguing the point of Pavlich and Buddy not being needed to be selected. Cant admit that there was a ring leader who decided all your picks for each team. Dont seem like you can admit much.

NO ONE SPEAK UNTIL HE ANSWERS THIS QUESTION. IF HE CANT THAN WE KNOW HES LYING.

Can you tell me why i was asked to rejoin the group under an alias name again If my posting was so bad??

NO ONE POST UNTIL HE ANSWERS THAT PLEASE.

Ill keep posting this until he answers it, that is all.

I dont try and mislead people, show me one post where i have mislead someone, where i havnt put a funny emotion next to it or posted after it to show that it wasnt a serious post. You can anwser that one twat, i mean tants???

Im still waiting for it to be answered by BTG. As i said ill keep reposting this until he replies.
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You were asked to join simply because at that point in time the person who asked you to join failed miserably to realise who you really were. It was thanks to some background checks performed by BtG that made the admins aware of the real identity behind the majestic1 alias that led to you being banned again.

For the record I am the original co-founder of FFC and I was the one who have influenced the decision to have you recruited. Even though I was aware of your "reputation" I was still of the opinion that you should be given a go. Unfortunately you 'reputation' never changed with the change of scenery and we had no choice but to let you go.

The way you talk here and in the past about FFC, one would think you are some sort of a seasoned senior member of FFC who has great knowledge of the inner workings of our community, however, the truth of the matter is that you were part of FFC for a very short time and god knows why your strut around these forums posing like some sort of a expert on all things FFC.

Fact of the matter is, as already pointed out, that you and stubz never seen eye to eye right from the beginning, and everything you say about FFC is clearly with a biased view that stems from your obvious dislike of stubz who is no longer at FFC and many things have changed.

I, nor anyone at FFC, will not admit to your and/or anyone else's unsubstantiated claims that FFC has a mandate that forces individual members to pick certain players in their teams because it is simply not true. Many of us a grown up, mature people who can decide on their own who they will or won't have in their team.

Our community revolves around a lot of research, individual contributions and analysis of what players we should be considering for our teams. Whilst I won't put it past my ex co-founder's ability to come across in an aggressive and demanding manner, especially when speaking to people he didn't see eye to eye, I will not accept yours, footylover18 and anyone else's belief that we had a "master' who people did what he said. This is simply not true, naive and pretty childish to say without having any firsthand experience of how we went about doing our DT and SC teams.

Fact of the matter is that stubz was a very competitive guy and he often spoke about challenging EDT for the leagues in both comps, however, I will stress again that most of our guys were not in this for league glory but for our own glory and if that brought about other success, such as the league wins, then so be it.

The argument that so many of our teams were similar again does not prove the argument that a "master" spoon fed every ones selections. Working in a close community where everyone has substantial knowledge had always had the potential to make many teams appear similar. This is not exclusive to FFC. You could go through many coaches and find similarities. Most of our teams had many common players but there was also many subtle differences because of each person's individual ideas which we hope would put us ahead of the other guys.

In the end, everyone has the right to express their opinions, however, if you want to debate on a mature level then bring to the table credible, substantiated facts and not that rubbish that is based on nothing but innuendo's, assumptions and information's from disgruntled former FFC members.

I am somewhat disappointed but not surprised with some people on here, including some I thought would rise above all the crap being thrown around.

Anyway, everything I said above I stand by and I know it is the truth. I believe you guys can ask anyone of our members and they will tell this as well, that we, FFC did not and do not have a mandate and/or a "master" who we all did/do as he said/says. Anyone who says otherwise is just a troll and an outright liar.
 
So what happened to the DT Talk thread coz this ain't it looking at most of the posts :p
 

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Hey Warnie... how did you get no. 1 registered side in DT & SC??? Pre-opening deal with the AFL? And how come some of your guys are writing articles in that "pay 2 view" section of the dream team website?

Anyway, Episode 2 was REALLY good quality and i was actually kind of annoyed as you basically spelt out half my team... :thumbsu:
 
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