Recommitted Dustin Martin [re-signed]

[Toadvine]

i cant under stand all this talk about the lack of so called tank and endurance of cameron ranyer what i have seen from him this year and even when he was playing under 16s he certanly does not look any differently than 95% of or the draftees this year i think 1 so expert called mentions it and we all take it as gospel

Rayner has tested two levels lower on the beep test than Dusty at the same age.

That's a full two minutes extra of endurance running Dusty was able to do before entering the AFL system. Rayner has also made very little improvement on his beep test over the last two seasons which is negative indication on his future potential to build an endurance base. Dusty is a midfielder forward where as Rayner will be a forward/ midfielder.

 

[Hawks1976]

Would be an absolute scream if he ends up going to the Gold Coast.

Has he announced hawks yet

 

[Procrastinator35]

Has he announced hawks yet

Won't be coming to the Hawks....We have a strict 'No neck tatts' policy.

 

[Ants]

There is no legitimate argument against it though. What is there to debate? It's the best player in the competition without giving up any players or picks.

Did you see the Jud years at Carlton? Sure, they traded rather than get him for free, but they still had pick #1 that year and a raft of high picks from the low finishes the previous years. It can definitely backfire. North is only just starting their rebuild. This would be tying up a huge chunk of the salary cap that may lift you to mid-table, which would mean poorer picks for the rebuild. And it's not like Martin is meant to be a team leader off the pitch.

There is an awful lot to debate in my mind.

 

[R00StaR]

Do North supporters really want to pay Dusty 1.5 million a year? It's a big risk at this stage of a rebuild. He's a match winner for sure. But can't see his impact taking effect for a few years with the current list.
I'd understand if it was Kelly at around 1 million a year.

Yes. Our back and front 6 are pretty solid when we get them on the park. Its the midfield where we really suffer, yet the cupboard isnt completely bare. Cunners is a great in an under, super hands, Clarke has shown a bit, Higgins and JZ are good for rotations.
Cap wise, we have ample since we've being paying unders and front loading. The thing with Dusty is while he costs 1.5m he wouldnt cost a draft pick, leaving Martin and likely No1 pick in. The 2 quality mids we need + Ahern + room to trade further + PSD No1 so scope for another skilled mid.

 

[blackshadow]

He is every young Tiger kids idol,now Norf who can't breed their own and actually hate our club want to rip those young Tiger kids hearts out and kick em in the temple on the way down.

That's exactly what our evil recruiters are thinking.. how can we make those pesky Richmond kids cry? Ooh we get Dusty!

No consideration that getting one of the best players in the competition would fill a massive void in our midfield at all.

No just stick it to the poor Richmond kids.

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[Heisenberg_]

Nope we walked up with 1.2m..
The offer went up with increase in the cap.
The percentage of the offer to cap remains similar.

No low ball, no disrespect, just straight up business.

No, the offer went up when you were told no.

 

[Red Bull]

He is every young Tiger kids idol,now Norf who can't breed their own and actually hate our club want to rip those young Tiger kids hearts out and kick em in the temple on the way down.

Stay calm smasha
Memberships ... Stability ...

 

[captain blood 17]

Would be an absolute scream if he ends up going to the Gold Coast.

How's Mad Monday shaping up knackers?


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[DesertRoo]

No, the offer went up when you were told no.

First time around the block??
Noone really gets told 'NO' it's the non answer you're scared of.. it generally means they've already got a better offer in front of them.
Remember when Richmond went on the media offensive and said he'd sign soon??
Good times.

 

[Rich01]

Yeah aight 250k a year sounds good

That's the thing.
North will have to pay overs to get him.
Motlop is said to be leaning to go to Port.
It would have to be a 5 year offer in the vicinity of $700k+ a year for him to consider Kangaroos.

 

[Toadvine]

Remember when Richmond went on the media offensive and said he'd sign soon??
Good times.

Richmond never made that claim. It was the media who got whipped up into a frenzy but that wasn't driven by the club at all. Unless you can provide a link you're simply talking out your arse

 

[DesertRoo]

Richmond never made that claim. It was the media who got whipped up into a frenzy but that wasn't driven by the club at all. Unless you can provide a link you're simply talking out your arse

It got leaked from somewhere and it wasn't the Martin camp.. there was only one other interested party in that negotiation..

Richmond tried to wag the dog but failed. At least they got an answer.

 

[Pykie]

Rayner has tested two levels lower on the beep test than Dusty at the same age.

That's a full two minutes extra of endurance running Dusty was able to do before entering the AFL system. Rayner has also made very little improvement on his beep test over the last two seasons which is negative indication on his future potential to build an endurance base. Dusty is a midfielder forward where as Rayner will be a forward/ midfielder.

For all the shit Rayner cops vs Martin in the endurance stakes.

He has kicked a hell of a lot more goals than Martin at TAC Cup level and Nationals level and averaged about the same amount of touches.

Maybe he is just more naturally talented?

 

[Page8383]

Because your list just isn't there. FA is topping up, and works best for team entering the premiership window. NM are a long way away, and by the time they get there Dusty will be past his best.

I don't think it's just a case of "topping up" or "bottoming out". There's many ways to manage a list. Let 5 senior managers layers go last year and are about to send out our 11th first gamer for the season this afternoon. So I wouldn't say the NMFC footy department are explicitly topping up.

I don't think the gap between first and last is as big as it used to be. Possible for north to win a final in 2019 imo - same with Brisbane - beat a couple of top 8 teams this year and within a kick of 4 more wins against top 8 teams.
Lot of work to do and a leadership vacuum to fill

 

[Toadvine]

It got leaked from somewhere and it wasn't the Martin camp.. there was only one other interested party in that negotiation..

Richmond tried to wag the dog but failed. At least they got an answer.

Oh great so we can agree then that you're talking out of your arse

 

[Thetrader15]

Yeah aight 250k a year sounds good

Still overs for his 2 good games a year

 

[Heisenberg_]

First time around the block??
Noone really gets told 'NO' it's the non answer you're scared of.. it generally means they've already got a better offer in front of them.
Remember when Richmond went on the media offensive and said he'd sign soon??
Good times.

Why would you need to up the offer if you have it in the bag as some would claim?
Defies all logic

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Did you see the Jud years at Carlton? Sure, they traded rather than get him for free, but they still had pick #1 that year and a raft of high picks from the low finishes the previous years. It can definitely backfire. North is only just starting their rebuild. This would be tying up a huge chunk of the salary cap that may lift you to mid-table, which would mean poorer picks for the rebuild. And it's not like Martin is meant to be a team leader off the pitch.

There is an awful lot to debate in my mind.

I don't understand the Judd comparison. Carlton gave up picks three, 20 and Kennedy to get Judd, which is an enormous amount. 2007 was a crap draft granted but it's a completely different scenario because getting Judd came at a genuine list cost. If we had to trade for Martin it would be worth debating and would probably be a mistake given where we are at as a club. But we don't, it's literally just free cap space that we have worked over a period of time to obtain.

 

[Benj7]

Still overs for his 2 good games a year

You guys probably play Jenkins the same amount for couple of over the top goals

 

[Thetrader15]

You guys probably play Jenkins the same amount for couple of over the top goals

It's a bit more than that for JJ

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Because your list just isn't there. FA is topping up, and works best for team entering the premiership window. NM are a long way away, and by the time they get there Dusty will be past his best.

Just seems like a really lazy generalisation. We've debuted 11 players in 2017, have phased out Thomas and will likely lose Hansen and Goldstein at the end of the year. Even by adding Martin the list is only going to get younger. The whole benefit of free agency is you don't give up players or picks - unless you're suggesting North would be wasting a list spot on Dustin Martin that could be used on a teenager?

There's also no evidence that adding free agents only benefits teams entering a "premiership window". What even is a premiership window? It's just media-driven rhetoric to either criticise or justify list management decisions.

It also suggests that Martin will only be good while we're not good, when we could easily be a top four side in 2019 and he is still a top five player in the competition.

 

[DesertRoo]

Why would you need to up the offer if you have it in the bag as some would claim?
Defies all logic

You realise he's a restricted free agent..
North don't want to trade for him, they want to buy him.
Richmond were stupid enough to let him test the waters and got into a pissing contest with a team with abundance of cap space.

 

[DesertRoo]

Oh great so we can agree then that you're talking out of your arse

In your opinion who leaked Martin was about to sign?? And why did it coincide with a revised offer??

 

[Toadvine]

In your opinion who leaked Martin was about to sign?? And why did it coincide with a revised offer??

No one leaked anything because a leak would imply it was true information. It was pure twitter speculation from Ralph, Clarke, Mark Stevens and Tony Sheahan repeating each other's BS