Recommitted Dustin Martin [re-signed]

[Brufen]

Where have Kangaroo officials stated this?

They don't need to. It's the commercial reality of the situation and the reason why NMFC have used free agency three times already.

You don't offer the biggest salary in the games history and give picks when you don't have to...

The appeal of Martin is his FA status.


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[Brufen]

Yeah I thought as much. No mention on Kangaroos ruling out trading for him.

Facts are Kangaroo leadership group meets with Dusty, the club entertains his manager at several games and they offer him a godfather deal that would make him the highest paid player in he league.

But you think if it came to push and shove they would tell him 'thanks but no thanks Dusty'. Don't think even Kangaroos would be that unprofessional.

Absolutely that's the equation, your suggestion otherwise is totally ludicrous. The salary has a FA loading factor totally around the FA status.

If the situation was different and Dusty is out of contract and not eligible for FA, then the offer would be significantly less in line with the market of $1.1m.


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[The_Steadier]

North also asked the AFL if they could only pay 93% of the cap this year and the AFL approved it.

Oh cmon.

 

[Groin guru]

Oh cmon.

It's true. Only under the provision North spend 107% next time around.

 

[The_Steadier]

It's true. Only under the provision North spend 107% next time around.

Jesus H Christ.

Troll confirmed.

 

[captain blood 17]

So north are going to trade for him because they don't want to be seen as unprofessional? Lol. If it's the difference between money or money + pick 4 + more = North would ring dusty, laugh, and then hang up. The money is high because of the no trade factor.

North are persuing him. Not the other way round.


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[captain blood 17]

North isn't interested in trading for Dusty. We get him as a free agent or we don't get him at all.

We're in the enviable position of being able to afford to put forward enough cash to tempt one of the best players in the competition to change clubs.

Dusty has to decide if he wants to join in the chorus or stay at a club that's been irrelevant at the pointy end of the season for decades. If he decides on North it will not be for a trade.

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Funny thing about the arrogence of this post. Given North have continually upped their offers to Dusty, maybe it's him that doesn't want North.
Think about it, he supposedly meets your leadership team, then your offer goes up more again. It would read to those on the outside that someone got rejected. Not only rejected by one of their targets, but by two. So what does north do? In total panic, keep upping it.
There's nothing enviable about being a whore that no one wants. If you were a destination club, we wouldn't be talking about $1.5 mill for one player. Hawthorn and Geelong have proven my theory.



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[blackshadow]

Funny thing about the arrogence of this post. Given North have continually upped their offers to Dusty, maybe it's him that doesn't want North.
Think about it, he supposedly meets your leadership team, then your offer goes up more again. It would read to those on the outside that someone got rejected. Not only rejected by one of their targets, but by two. So what does north do? In total panic, keep upping it.
There's nothing enviable about being a whore that no one wants. If you were a destination club, we wouldn't be talking about $1.5 mill for one player. Hawthorn and Geelong have proven my theory.



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Someone's a bit salty...

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[Ace Cannon]

Someone's a bit salty...

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No one is salty .... Your just BEING a smart ass know it all .

 

[Groin guru]

Funny thing about the arrogence of this post. Given North have continually upped their offers to Dusty, maybe it's him that doesn't want North.
Think about it, he supposedly meets your leadership team, then your offer goes up more again. It would read to those on the outside that someone got rejected. Not only rejected by one of their targets, but by two. So what does north do? In total panic, keep upping it.
There's nothing enviable about being a whore that no one wants. If you were a destination club, we wouldn't be talking about $1.5 mill for one player. Hawthorn and Geelong have proven my theory.



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How naive. North have upped their offer because Richmond have upped there's. Once again - North will need to offer more than Richmond so that the trade is avoided.

Jesus H Christ.

Troll confirmed.

How is that a troll? That is a fact. It happened.

 

[Arden_Fast]

Funny thing about the arrogence of this post. Given North have continually upped their offers to Dusty, maybe it's him that doesn't want North.
Think about it, he supposedly meets your leadership team, then your offer goes up more again. It would read to those on the outside that someone got rejected. Not only rejected by one of their targets, but by two. So what does north do? In total panic, keep upping it.
There's nothing enviable about being a whore that no one wants. If you were a destination club, we wouldn't be talking about $1.5 mill for one player. Hawthorn and Geelong have proven my theory.

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Martin did meet the north leadership group. This means that he actually went out of his way to spend time of his own free will with north players. If north is a whore, then there is no getting away from the fact that Dusty is a john, whether he goes to north or stays at richmond. Personally, I'd take an expensive whore over a cheap whore every day of the week.

 

[captain blood 17]

Someone's a bit salty...

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And there it is.........

How naive. North have upped their offer because Richmond have upped there's. Once again - North will need to offer more than Richmond so that the trade is avoided.

How is that a troll? That is a fact. It happened.

You've upped it three times. Now to $1.5 million. Desperation. What an embarrassment this will be for the club if Martin rejects the biggest contract in history.

Martin did meet the north leadership group. This means that he actually went out of his way to spend time of his own free will with north players. If north is a whore, then there is no getting away from the fact that Dusty is a john, whether he goes to north or stays at richmond. Personally, I'd take an expensive whore over a cheap whore every day of the week.

See above statement ^^^^^^^^^


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[Groin guru]

And there it is.........



You've upped it three times. Now to $1.5 million. Desperation. What an embarrassment this will be for the club if Martin rejects the biggest contract in history.



See above statement ^^^^^^^^^


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You are only going off of media speculation. If North have upped it so has Richmond. It's common sense if both clubs were offering the same amount that he'd stay at Richmond. He isn't a want away player and once again North do not want to trade for him. So if Richmond have upped their offer of course North would do the same to keep that difference there.

Spin it however you want. If Dusty moves you'll be doing the same thing to try and lure lynch away from the Suns.

 

[Rich01]

It's true. Only under the provision North spend 107% next time around.

Astute list management if they manage to land a Martin or a Kelly.

But if they miss on both, they need to make up the gap somehow.

I smell a godfather offer coming Motlops way as plan B. Or they offer additional coin to some of their ordinary out of contract players to hang around another year. Or perhaps both.

 

[Groin guru]

Astute list management if they manage to land a Martin or a Kelly.

But if they miss on both, they need to make up the gap somehow.

I smell a godfather offer coming Motlops way as plan B. Or they offer additional coin to some of their ordinary out of contract players to hang around another year. Or perhaps both.

Motlop will never play at North. His mum will see to that. She isn't a fan of North. Not sure why the motlop thing has become some running joke given richmond have been interested in him in the past and shown a lot more interest than North.

I don't know how much truth there is to it but people are suggesting hopper and devon smith are the fall back options.

Heavily front load them and brown. Come back for another target next year/year after.

 

[tigerwill]

North also asked the AFL if they could only pay 93% of the cap this year and the AFL approved it.

So you know this to be a fact? Or someone mentioned it as a "suggestion" without knowing the AFL CBA rules, then it was repeated and quoted. That then makes it a fact?
Now I know the AFL can change quite a few things on a whim, but to actually breach the main platform that governs the TPP of all clubs, just to make an exception for one club seems quite absurd. I'm sure other clubs would have had something to say about it. Which rule can be "relaxed" for the next club that requests it?

Somehow I doubt the AFL would be so accomodating. There are plenty of examples of rebuilding clubs paying near the same TPP as successful clubs.

North must have low balled nearly every player on their list if they keep saying they've front loaded so many contracts, still have plenty of salary cap room and still managed to pay less than the minimum mandated TPP player payments without being sanctioned by the AFL or did it with the AFLs collusion. (Not that it would surprise me)
That hardly makes sense. its implausible that the AFL be able to breach the AFLs own rules and would keep that from all the other clubs, but north posters are "in the know"
Other clubs would see that as TPP manipulation and questions would be asked, or should be. Otherwise you'd have some clubs playing by the TPP rules and others not.

However, even if north was able to act in collusion to breach the AFLs own rules, the extra 2% over the maximum 105% overspend would equate to $200k-$240k (approx) hmm, quite a large portion of the difference between Richmond and Norths offers. If the 93% TPP were in fact correct, I'd hope questions are asked of the AFL being in breach and allowing this to occur.
There could be a case of the AFL actually being in breach of company governance rules.

 

[Groin guru]

So you know this to be a fact? Or someone mentioned it as a "suggestion" without knowing the AFL CBA rules, then it was repeated and quoted. That then makes it a fact?
Now I know the AFL can change quite a few things on a whim, but to actually breach the main platform that governs the TPP of all clubs, just to make an exception for one club seems quite absurd. I'm sure other clubs would have had something to say about it. Which rule can be "relaxed" for the next club that requests it?

Somehow I doubt the AFL would be so accomodating. There are plenty of examples of rebuilding clubs paying near the same TPP as successful clubs.

North must have low balled nearly every player on their list if they keep saying they've front loaded so many contracts, still have plenty of salary cap room and still managed to pay less than the minimum mandated TPP player payments without being sanctioned by the AFL or did it with the AFLs collusion. (Not that it would surprise me)
That hardly makes sense. its implausible that the AFL be able to breach the AFLs own rules and would keep that from all the other clubs, but north posters are "in the know"
Other clubs would see that as TPP manipulation and questions would be asked, or should be. Otherwise you'd have some clubs playing by the TPP rules and others not.

However, even if north was able to act in collusion to breach the AFLs own rules, the extra 2% over the maximum 105% overspend would equate to $200k-$240k (approx) hmm, quite a large portion of the difference between Richmond and Norths offers. If the 93% TPP were in fact correct, I'd hope questions are asked of the AFL being in breach and allowing this to occur.
There could be a case of the AFL actually being in breach of company governance rules.

My understanding is other clubs know about it and they were waiting to see how it unfolded. It was accepted and others will be trying it in the future. The transparency was there. AFL bend and change rules on a whim all the time. It's hardly surprising.

 

[Rich01]

I don't know how much truth there is to it but people are suggesting hopper and devon smith are the fall back options.

Heavily front load them and brown. Come back for another target next year/year after.

Kangaroos would be long shots at both players with other clubs seemingly heavily invested already.

But Kangaroos have shown that they are willing to spend whatever it takes to bring a player across so perhaps a severely overinflated long term salary might tempt one of them. Perhaps both if they ponied up heavy coin. Looks like they have enough.

And your first and second pick would be adequate trade compo for GWS as well so no problems in getting a trade done.

Personally I wouldn't be overly happy with that outcome if I was a Kangaroos fan, but they have to spend the money somewhere I spose. Better than Motlop who I think is a more realistic chance to land at Arden St than the other two.

 

[Nutjob]

1st PSD pick in the past has been used as leverage to get players to move across to clubs for lower trade value. Carlton and GWS have used this to good effect in the past.

I realise that, but if Richmond match dusty will not want to leave. Money is the factor here and if the same amount is being offered from both clubs he will stay.
I agree in some instances it can be used to a clubs advantage (Kelly if he leaves). I just can't see how it will be a factor in dustys case.


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[adammania9]

Going to North

 

[Arden_Fast]

Kangaroos would be long shots at both players with other clubs seemingly heavily invested already.

But Kangaroos have shown that they are willing to spend whatever it takes to bring a player across so perhaps a severely overinflated long term salary might tempt one of them. Perhaps both if they ponied up heavy coin. Looks like they have enough.

And your first and second pick would be adequate trade compo for GWS as well so no problems in getting a trade done.

Personally I wouldn't be overly happy with that outcome if I was a Kangaroos fan, but they have to spend the money somewhere I spose. Better than Motlop who I think is a more realistic chance to land at Arden St than the other two.

Motlops most realistic destination would be gold coast. Aside from the left over percentage and 20% overall cap increase there would be a million dollars in unresolved contracts currently sitting on our list as well. Some of this will be needed to extend browns contract.

 

[Rich01]

Motlops most realistic destination would be gold coast.

No. His most realistic destination is Port. But he's been linked to Kangaroos and they have buckets of money to throw at players. They threw $3m at Pittard to no avail. Perhaps a little more would shake a Motlop type out to Arden St.

 

[Arden_Fast]

No. His most realistic destination is Port. But he's been linked to Kangaroos and they have buckets of money to throw at players. They threw $3m at Pittard to no avail. Perhaps a little more would shake a Motlop type out to Arden St.

Who at north melbourne has linked motlop to north? It makes no sense from a list perspective..

 

[smasha]

Going to North

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[Wild Bill]

Funny thing about the arrogence of this post. Given North have continually upped their offers to Dusty, maybe it's him that doesn't want North.
Think about it, he supposedly meets your leadership team, then your offer goes up more again. It would read to those on the outside that someone got rejected. Not only rejected by one of their targets, but by two. So what does north do? In total panic, keep upping it.
There's nothing enviable about being a whore that no one wants. If you were a destination club, we wouldn't be talking about $1.5 mill for one player. Hawthorn and Geelong have proven my theory.



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The Tigers have also continually upped their offers to Dusty. If you were a club that players wanted to stay and play for you wouldn't have to offer 1.2 million to keep 1 player.

Hawks and Geelong never offered this type of money. Richmond have proved why they have been Richmond for the last 30 years.