Dustin Martin

[JR82]

Dusty is and will be simply awesome in yrs to come! best 2nd year player since Judd, and thats after coming back not so fit for the last pre-season, by all reports he's fitter than ever this time around and will move into the elite this season.
of course he isn't yet at Judd's standard as in 2 years, thats impossible for any player to achieve.
some posters on here are like the opposite of frawley, who could find "a positive" out of a 100pt belting, i fear some of you may find a negative out of a premiership win....
i am only new here but thats what i am beginning to sense - just saying...

 

[santa claws]

Or we could state the obvious again and again like old mate Santa and bore everyone senseless , this board has gone to shite.

Why don't we talk some positives like how the club fought off GWS last year and signed Martin and Reiwoldt to new contracts averting a Scully scenario. Throw some doom and gloom on that little scenario Santa. Give us your emo best!

I can't believe you wrote Martin doesn't have impact on games. That is the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board even by someone with grammar as good as yours Santa.

oh dear oh dear oh dear.got a bee in the bonnett have we.
i keep on telling ya to ignore my posts but you cant help yourself. get used to it son the way i post wont change.

by the way i really think you should run for the board anyone with an aversion to common sense like you who can read 99% of posters minds like you really would be an assett. you would fit right in.

the very fact people are comparing martin to judd is a joke.one has achieved everything thing there is to achieve and the other is just starting out.
sort of makes a mockery of people seeing the obvious dont you think.hmm i think perhaps it is you dont want to hear the other side of the argument you want posters to come on here and agree with everything, just talk about the good oh what a great place it would be eh. hows that for mind reading got it in one.

your having a go at the wrong bloke bud and clearly there are plenty of those who dont see the obvious. by the way ive never ever seen you post the obvious perhaps you get your knickers all twisted because you dont like it, the obvious being pointed out.

happy new yr to ya crusty perhaps your new yr resolution could be i must acknowledge theres actually two sides to a debate.

 

[JR82]

comparing to judd over thier 1st 2 years, not thier career.

 

[santa claws]

You're missing santa's point: compared to Judd he has a long way to go, which is dead on. Judd is a champion of the game.

Judd has kicked 3 or more goals on 16 occasions, including his 33rd game where he kicked 5 goals in the first half against eventual premiers Brisbane Lions at the Gabba. Interestingly, he has failed to kick 3 goals since his move across to Carlton.

When's the last time we have had ANY player that can even remotely look like having the potential to be on the same level as Judd? It is certainly a pant-shortening proposition.

No one is besmerching Martin in any way whatsoever. We all acknowledge that he will be a great player for us in the future and santa didn't say that Martin never impacted on games. He just hasn't impacted them at the same level that Judd has on a regular basis (YET, at this stage of his young, 43 game career).

Needless to say, Dusty's best is yet to come, and we are in for one hell of a ride.

ah the obvious and common sense to boot. seems thats something old crusty has no idea about.

 

[juss]

comparing to judd over thier 1st 2 years, not thier career.

some people can't seem to grasp this concept.

 

[thecotch9]

some people can't seem to grasp this concept.

It's quite amusing isn't it. You'd think I stated Martin WILL eclipse Judd's career or something, the way some of these cynics are whining. All I did was indicate Martin's 2nd year with Judd's """""2ND"""" year.

Don't take life too seriously guys...

 

[RichoLedio]

Dusty is and will be simply awesome in yrs to come! best 2nd year player since Judd, and thats after coming back not so fit for the last pre-season, by all reports he's fitter than ever this time around and will move into the elite this season.
of course he isn't yet at Judd's standard as in 2 years, thats impossible for any player to achieve.
some posters on here are like the opposite of frawley, who could find "a positive" out of a 100pt belting, i fear some of you may find a negative out of a premiership win....
i am only new here but thats what i am beginning to sense - just saying...

I'm feeling the same way

 

[Nebular]

Sheesh.

 

[Cutty]

Love Dustin Martin, will be the next Jesus and deliver the Miracle of the post-1980 Tiger Premiership

 

[RichoLedio]

Love Dustin Martin, will be the next Jesus and deliver the Miracle of the post-1980 Tiger Premiership

And Cotchin can be Moses leading us out of the desert to the promised land

 

[OnTheFool]

oh dear oh dear oh dear.got a bee in the bonnett have we.
i keep on telling ya to ignore my posts but you cant help yourself. get used to it son the way i post wont change.

by the way i really think you should run for the board anyone with an aversion to common sense like you who can read 99% of posters minds like you really would be an assett. you would fit right in.

the very fact people are comparing martin to judd is a joke.one has achieved everything thing there is to achieve and the other is just starting out.
sort of makes a mockery of people seeing the obvious dont you think.hmm i think perhaps it is you dont want to hear the other side of the argument you want posters to come on here and agree with everything, just talk about the good oh what a great place it would be eh. hows that for mind reading got it in one.

your having a go at the wrong bloke bud and clearly there are plenty of those who dont see the obvious. by the way ive never ever seen you post the obvious perhaps you get your knickers all twisted because you dont like it, the obvious being pointed out.

happy new yr to ya crusty perhaps your new yr resolution could be i must acknowledge theres actually two sides to a debate.

Even the longest journey has to start with the first step. What more do you want Martin to have done at this stage of his career?

 

[santa claws]

while i agree with everyone in saying we have a player of the highest order in martin. i have to say for us to improve as a side, it does not depend greatly on big improvement from deledio, martin and cotchin. lets face it we are already getting high output from them. nope the improvement has to come from below these blokes.
we need conca ellis for starters to become at the least v/good mids. but midfield depth is the real achilles. along with the development stage of most of the talls.
of the rest of the mids only foley imo falls into a good category and nathan himself has issues.

apart from the 6 mids mentioned and two of them are in early development and done little the quality really falls away.

tuck jackson nahas edwards and white all have their critics and deficiencies. houli has only done okay at hb and grigg has issues with disposal and ticker imo.
arnott and helbig well they are yet to do a thing or prove themselves.helbig shows promise.
i think that is the list of mids it falls away terribly we want to hope we dont cop injuries to just a couple of decent ones.

and back on topic with martin yep he has good numbers but does he really influence games like judd regularly does. at wce and now carlton when they need someone to lead the way invariably it has been judd.
stats well they can be misleading. martins are good but he has a way to go to be compared to judd.

my original post. just for those who think i dont rate martin.i dont expect anything more from his first two seasons. we do have have a player of the highest order potentially.

ive said this before i will say it again 30 yrs of seeing the next big thing come along only to peter out and fade into oblivion has taught me to, well insist they prove themselves over a decent period of time.

i would rather cut my right arm off than trade martin or cotchin away but i wont put them on pedestals or compare them to players until they show they deserve it.

its not just the potentially elite players we have either. far too many put ordinary players on pedestals because they finally achieve an acceptable level.

dustin may well go on to be better than judd but he may well not either.

i live in perth i have to put up with all the wce bullshit day in day out. it goes without saying carlton i totally despise. ive never ever got over 72 and 82.but the best player i have seen in the modern era is chris judd and he played for both.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

my original post. just for those who think i dont rate martin.i dont expect anything more from his first two seasons. we do have have a player of the highest order potentially.

ive said this before i will say it again 30 yrs of seeing the next big thing come along only to peter out and fade into oblivion has taught me to, well insist they prove themselves over a decent period of time.

i would rather cut my right arm off than trade martin or cotchin away but i wont put them on pedestals or compare them to players until they show they deserve it.

its not just the potentially elite players we have either. far too many put ordinary players on pedestals because they finally achieve an acceptable level.

dustin may well go on to be better than judd but he may well not either.

i live in perth i have to put up with all the wce bullshit day in day out. it goes without saying carlton i totally despise. ive never ever got over 72 and 82.but the best player i have seen in the modern era is chris judd and he played for both.

No one is saying you don't rate him Santa everyone rates him ' that is what this thread is about . It just that you stated that he doesn't impact games which is absolute horse hockey.

 

[Bazzar]

Sports calendar lift out in today’s Sunday Hun had an action photo of Dusty kicking one of his trademark 80mt passes. The editor obviously knows who is the most exciting player in the comp to have him as the main big centre photo and the only AFL player.

Already hanging on the shed wall.

 

[santa claws]

No one is saying you don't rate him Santa everyone rates him ' that is what this thread is about . It just that you stated that he doesn't impact games which is absolute horse hockey.

i think you need to re read exactly what i said instead of getting all twisted over the least hint of negativity.

i dont rate martins perfrmances overall to be elite but he sure as hell has the potential to be. he has also played at elite level at times. as you say it looks to be obvious to most that he will be an elite player but hes not there yet.

instead of a love fest which happens with all of our players i go out of my way to get people to look at the bad as well and balance out what our players have done and can achieve.

it seems every time a player has a good game there are so many who label that player basically the next big thing. they are put on pedestals.

the vast majority of our players have gone thru this in the last 25 yrs, rather than wait and have them show consistency and exactly what their level is we continually put em on a pedestal only to tear em to pieces at a later date.

weather you see it or not i dont care, but i consider myself the voice of reason by actually being patient and insisting players prove themselves good, v/good, elite or what ever level it is over a decent period of time.

there is a reason why our supporters are considered well laughing stocks by most other supporters.

im not one of the many who talk players up early in their careers only to call for their heads in two yrs time. i will however point out deficiencies as i percieve them.

we rate highly players like edwards mcguane jackson king white etc etc all of them at some stage have been on a pedestal and those who dare point out the weaknesses in their game or insist they have proven nothing by being consistent are derided.

all im saying is let dusty prove himself first before we put him on the same level as judd. we as supporters never seem to learn.

 

[tugga]

Santa, you know how I feel about your posting as I PMd it to you a whle ago. I like it and I think you are terrific for our board.
But I have never heard anyone talk up Edwards, White and Jackson (other than Rayzor, but that's a different story).

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

i think you need to re read exactly what i said instead of getting all twisted over the least hint of negativity.

i dont rate martins perfrmances overall to be elite but he sure as hell has the potential to be. he has also played at elite level at times. as you say it looks to be obvious to most that he will be an elite player but hes not there yet.

instead of a love fest which happens with all of our players i go out of my way to get people to look at the bad as well and balance out what our players have done and can achieve.

it seems every time a player has a good game there are so many who label that player basically the next big thing. they are put on pedestals.

the vast majority of our players have gone thru this in the last 25 yrs, rather than wait and have them show consistency and exactly what their level is we continually put em on a pedestal only to tear em to pieces at a later date.

weather you see it or not i dont care, but i consider myself the voice of reason by actually being patient and insisting players prove themselves good, v/good, elite or what ever level it is over a decent period of time.

there is a reason why our supporters are considered well laughing stocks by most other supporters.

im not one of the many who talk players up early in their careers only to call for their heads in two yrs time. i will however point out deficiencies as i percieve them.

we rate highly players like edwards mcguane jackson king white etc etc all of them at some stage have been on a pedestal and those who dare point out the weaknesses in their game or insist they have proven nothing by being consistent are derided.

all im saying is let dusty prove himself first before we put him on the same level as judd. we as supporters never seem to learn.

That is an awful amount of dribble but once again you are stating the obvious. Have a look at your original post once again and read the part where you said Martin doesn't have an impact on games Santa.

The part I love about this latest rant is that because you don't rate Edwards , White and King ( which would be the same for 90% of posters on this board so stating the obvious againnnnnnnnnnn) you can't give Dusty a compliment or throw some support behind him or get excited by him.

Your a football visionary Santa if you think Edwards , White and King aren't up to scratch. Can you pm me more of your thoughts on the rest of the list. I might actually learn something.

 

[delediofan3]

instead of a love fest which happens with all of our players i go out of my way to get people to look at the bad as well and balance out what our players have done and can achieve.

And I like this from you Santa Claws because if we didnt know the negatives we would still be in fairy land thinking that we can get a premiership with our current team

we rate highly players like edwards mcguane jackson king white etc etc all of them at some stage have been on a pedestal and those who dare point out the weaknesses in their game or insist they have proven nothing by being consistent are derided.

I don't know what everyone has against Edwards, I mean he won the most improved award a few years back and he's got good endurance, agility and on the odd occasion can take a nice speccy or pack mark. I mean everyone makes turnovers and not all can be forgiven but everybody makes them. At least he doesn't turn it over as much as Jordan McMahon.
Mcguane is not regarded highly. He only has effort. He puts his body on the line but he has no skill.
Jackson was once good with his tagging role.

all im saying is let dusty prove himself first before we put him on the same level as judd. we as supporters never seem to learn.

santa claws, dustin martin has proven himself already. he has proven to be a champion in his first year being better than most and if it wasnt for the reprimand he obtained he would've won the rising star award. he has proven himself to be strong and a good kick.
he has this season proven himself to be a goalkicker as well as a midfielder.
this offseason he has proven himself to be responsible with his mistake of being 'unfit' last year and has come back strong

 

[Hipster Doofus]

Im just happy we've got him and 17 other clubs dont

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Im just happy we've got him and 17 other clubs dont

Big time !!!!! My brother is a Scum supporter and he is also the Coach of the Suncoast Power u/15's side and goes to the National AFL Coaching conference every year in Melbourne so he does know a little bit about football.

He hates Richmond because I have put shit on him hard ever since Carlton started resting Fev at 3/4 time while leading games and I continue to put shit on Carlton but he made his way down to the Gabba off his own bat to watch Dustin Martin play last year because he has often stated that he will be the best player in the comp in 2 years.

I have told him to back off on such comments because Santa would be un happy as it could change the trajectory of young Dustins career.

You'd all be pleased to know that he hasn't talked him up since out of respect for Santa and Dustins possible career so we are all lucky we have dodged a bullet there.

Phew!!!! Three cheers for my brother !

Horah
Horah
Horah

 

[theflea]

now now lets cut out the derision from both sides. debate the topic.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Seriously, what we have suffered for 30 years is even more reason to get excited about the likes of Martin, Cotch and Jack. If you want to wait til they are 28yo and winning a Brownlow before raising an eyebrow, then why even bother following a club?

As stated earlier, fans getting upbeat about players doesn't actually really influence how their career's pan out. That's more to do with the club environment. Dimma, Benny and co told us two years ago that it was a long road ahead, but to "enjoy the journey". Be stuffed if negative nancy's around here will stop me from doing that

Sure Dusty has blitzed against the likes of Brisbane, Norf and the Dees... but his game against last years reigning premiers (28 disps -17 kicks 11 hballs, 7 marks and 2 goals) was enough for me to go gaga over.

Just enjoy the fricken journey.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

Happy to admit I bought myself an "I love Dustin Martin" badge for XMas.

I say to my daughters whenever they might not want to go to the footy, " Dustin Martin might only play 400 or so games for Richmond, I don't want to miss any if I can help it"

This bloke is already my favorite Richmond player of all time, and I'm 39, I can't remember ever seeing a player with his combination of elite strength, elite pace, elite kicking. He could be the best inside and best outside midfielder in the game at the same time.

For the first time ever I am certain we have an out and out star of the game within our ranks, and I'm damn excited.

 

[HKTiger]

The thing is that if you see him on the track he is more chiselled than last year. So to date, he has had a very good (solid for some, stellar for others) first two years of his career and has come back to pre-season training this year fitter than ever before. His kicking in some of the training drills is the best at the club. (Yes, I know it's training but guess what ? That's all they do at this time of the year.)

He has also acknowledged that he ahs flaws in his game is identifying them and working on them. If he delivers on that and stays injury free, my only perspective is, Watch Out.

And Santa, to most (all) readers here you stated that Dusty has yet to impact games. That is horse hockey. If that's not what you meant, acknowledge that, and don't rant on a tangent.

 

[Chubberson]

Happy to admit I bought myself an "I love Dustin Martin" badge for XMas.

This bloke is already my favorite Richmond player of all time, and I'm 39, I can't remember ever seeing a player with his combination of elite strength, elite pace, elite kicking. He could be the best inside and best outside midfielder in the game at the same time.

For the first time ever I am certain we have an out and out star of the game within our ranks, and I'm damn excited.

Think its fair to say everyone has a man crush on your young blokes. Love how Cotchins head stays down. Dustin shove looked like the 'Roo'. Cant wait to watch footy in 2012.