Toast Eat One Buckley Haters

[MyManLynch]

KEEFFE FFS

I think it would be more practical if Keeffe just changed his name.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I think it would be more practical if Keeffe just changed his name.

At least for the more pedantic of our supporters.

 

[Pie eyed]

KeeFFe has the novelty of being Burglar from BanFF-esque.

 

[Staki_13]

Second highest of all the current coaches behind Scott.
Third highest in history, behind Scott , then Paul Feltham ( 7 games Brisbane Lions 1989).

Pretty good record so far, especially after all these injuries.

 

[half_back_flank]

I think it would be more practical if Keeffe just changed his name.

To Keefe Keeffe.

That way everyone will be right.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I'm amazed at some comments here.

1. In regards to the discussion on Tippett:

Tippett kicked 2 early goals, then was held goal-less until the end of the 2nd quarter. He did have a chance to kick another during the quarter but missed. Brown actually played ok for about a quarter and a half and it looked as if we were slowly getting him under control.

However, he kicked that late goal which was not just Brown's fault...Tippett out-marked a pack of 4 or 5...and can you tell me where our 3rd man up in the contest was??

Anyway, I don't blame Buckley for leaving Brown on Tippett after half time because he had kept him goal-less for a quarter and a half.

Then Tippett kicked a very early goal in the third and Buckley made the change. However, Brown was caught out on Tippett one last time before the change was effected and Tippett kicked his fifth.

Keefe was on Tippett before the next bounce and held him to only one goal after that.

Ultimately, the move was made very early in the third quarter and it worked.

2. Other losses this season.

We are 13 wins and 6 losses...a very good record for a team with as many injuries as we've had to sustain.

Every side loses....even Hawthorn have lost 3 this year.

You can't go blaming every loss on the coach.

I thought Buckley coached ok in the Fremantle game to get the side from so far back to get into the lead. But then Ross Lyon moved things around after that. Also, the team was not running out games well at that stage of the year.

The loss to GC was littered with coaching errors. Buckley has admitted this, and has taken steps to rectify these errors going forward.

Every coach is going to make mistakes. I could count you 20 by Malthouse this year, and I could count many others in 2011 which may have won us the flag that year as well. I also wonder why he didn't tag Goddard in the first 2010 final or Lenny Hayes. We could've lost!


3. Going forward

There are still a few lessons for Bucks to learn. The use of Ben Reid in particular is important. We can't afford to concede 6 or 7 goals to opposition forwards. Reid has to go back at times to help out.

I think Buckley is been a bit stubborn...either keeping him as a permanent back or a permanent forward.

I think Reid is most valuable if able to be used in both roles.

The sharpness of Buckley's moves is also an issue. As I said above, Keefe was moved onto Tippett after goal 4, yet it took an eternity to switch to Keefe...and another goal was kicked on Brown before the move was effected. Our message needs to get to the players quicker.

I understand why it's easy to blame the coach. I've been arguing with my father all year. He genuinely isn't liking Buckley as coach, due to the little coaching mistakes here and there. He's basically blowing simple coaching errors (which Bucks generally admits to anyway) into huge issues that should provide evidence of his inability to coach.

Despite my constant argument (with evidence) to the fact that the players and injury have been the issue. The last 2 weeks are pretty much proof of that.

Most rational people would understand that ALL coaches will make mistakes. I'm actually yet to see Buckley make one that genuinely cost us a game though. I personally don't believe the lack of tag on Ablett actually cost us that game. Yeah, you could isolate that and say "Keep Ablett to 25 posessions, we win". But when you lose a game by 7 points and miss the goals we did, as well as the STUPID goals we handed them? I was more inclined to blame that.

Dan Swan's turnover in the back half was UNFORGIVEABLE.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Dan Swan's turnover in the back half was UNFORGIVEABLE.

I'd like to see a poll on that.

Do you forgive Dane Swan for his turnover?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Personally I thought taking Brown off was a brilliant move. It takes some guts to sub out your key defender with a midget midfielder when the opposition full forward is on a rampage. Quite counter intuitive actually. The more conservative option would have been to bring Ben Reid back and double team Reid and Brown onto Tippett, but Buckley thought outside the square.

Its not the first time Nate has been sacrificed to the sub bench to bring some leg speed into the 21. Wont be the last either.

It gave us a lot more legspeed around the ground.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Personally I thought taking Brown off was a brilliant move. It takes some guts to sub out your key defender with a midget midfielder when the opposition full forward is on a rampage. Quite counter intuitive actually. The more conservative option would have been to bring Ben Reid back and double team Reid and Brown onto Tippett, but Buckley thought outside the square.

Its not the first time Nate has been sacrificed to the sub bench to bring some leg speed into the 21. Wont be the last either.

It gave us a lot more legspeed around the ground.

Move was less gutsy on Saturday when he had all of Reid, Goldsack Keeffe and Maxwell capable of playing from full back if required, but I think the impressive thing about Buckley is that he sticks to his convictioncs; he's made that change before when he's only had Reid and Maxwell available as backups. If he's wrong, he's generally upfront about admitting his mistake too. I don't think we'll see too many more situations where it's Jason Cloke's fault when we lose a Grand Final we're expected to win by 50 points.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

True Tarkyn, Goldy adds a lot to our list and hes been sadly missed.

 

[DaVe86]

Great point re the Brown substitution.

With the game in the balance, Buckley could've been more conservative and bring Reid back and leave Brown there...but instead he attacked and thought the best way to stop Tippett was to win the ball fromt he centre again.

It worked as Dwyer was handy, and Keefe did a good job. Keeping Reid forward helped as well I think.


And also agree about the Ablett issue. Tagging Ablett may have won us the game, but there were so many mistaktes that game that cost us including innaccuracy in front of goal and turnovers. Not many can hold their heads up high that game...Buckley included.

 

[Bay Pie]

Since Bucks has been coach, how many games have Beams, Ball, Swan & Pendles, all played at the same time?

5 games*. 4 wins and 1 loss (all this year)

* Additionally played 1 in 2012 where Ball was injured early in the game.

How effective has Jolly been since Bucks took over?

About as effective as our ruckman were in 2006, 2007, 2008 & 2009.

Ball and a fit Jolly make a difference.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Since Bucks has been coach, how many games have Beams, Ball, Swan & Pendles, all played at the same time?

5 games*. 4 wins and 1 loss (all this year).

Beams wasnt match fit for at least two of those games either. And Ball has taken time to get to full match fitness.

 

[Pie eyed]

I'd like to see a poll on that.

Do you forgive Dane Swan for his turnover?

Apple or Fruit of the Forrest?

 

[RuFiO]

Tonight was windy.

 

[ClokesShankedIt]

Tonight was windy.

Nice and glib.

Perhaps you'd like to post a video of Buckley telling the players not to stick a tackle? The video of Buckley telling them to kick it to Cloke when he has three blokes on him? The video of Buckley telling the players to always, ****ing always, run forward of the ball and get opened up when it falls the other way?

 

[eddiebankbalance]

GTFO haters.

 

[loki04]

I understand why it's easy to blame the coach. I've been arguing with my father all year. He genuinely isn't liking Buckley as coach, due to the little coaching mistakes here and there. He's basically blowing simple coaching errors (which Bucks generally admits to anyway) into huge issues that should provide evidence of his inability to coach.

Despite my constant argument (with evidence) to the fact that the players and injury have been the issue. The last 2 weeks are pretty much proof of that.

Most rational people would understand that ALL coaches will make mistakes. I'm actually yet to see Buckley make one that genuinely cost us a game though. I personally don't believe the lack of tag on Ablett actually cost us that game. Yeah, you could isolate that and say "Keep Ablett to 25 posessions, we win". But when you lose a game by 7 points and miss the goals we did, as well as the STUPID goals we handed them? I was more inclined to blame that.

Dan Swan's turnover in the back half was UNFORGIVEABLE.

I'm a Buckley supporter and he will make mistakes in his first few years as coach as he feels his way through it, but he well and truly f#$ked the pooch vs GC one with Gablett the other with Reid.

These 2 moves were in his control.

Ball use isn't.

Those 2 moves would of won the game DESPITE the players having a poor night with ball use.

Coaches can't control much once the players are out there but one thing they can control is match ups and how we structure up.

 

[loki04]

Move was less gutsy on Saturday when he had all of Reid, Goldsack Keeffe and Maxwell capable of playing from full back if required, but I think the impressive thing about Buckley is that he sticks to his convictioncs; he's made that change before when he's only had Reid and Maxwell available as backups. If he's wrong, he's generally upfront about admitting his mistake too. I don't think we'll see too many more situations where it's Jason Cloke's fault when we lose a Grand Final we're expected to win by 50 points.

WTF!

 

[SuperSub17]

 

[Tarkyn_24]

WTF!

I meant to say "tall back". Good pickup.

 

[DThomas]

Hey, look! The trolls haven't emerged from their basements yet!

Keep this in mind, trolls:

We win = it was all the players effort
We lose = EVRYTING IZZ BUKKLEYS FOLT! SACK BUCKS! DERR!!!1!

#trolllogic

 

[HFF]

I won't hang the Hawks loss on him because even with Mick at the helm, we couldn't ever break them apart from that once or twice with good fortune.

The only gripe I have is how many of the players have been able to "adapt" to Bucks' game style.

Dane Swan for mine has adapted most. He always looks to bring the back into the corridor, a contrast to the Malthouse days where he always went wide. His ability to also hit that pass has been first class for a bloke whose kicking is considered "dodgy". Pendles too has adapted. Ditto Sidebottom.

IMO and I'm really looking at the ball movement from the backs and mids because the forwards cant have as much an influence on it unless they are being utilised properly but still too many players are "petrified" to open their eyes, and use their vision and execute the pass that can break the opposition wide open. Hawthorn did it many times against us, executing the kick to the dangerous man in the corridor.

Often, our ball movement is slow, laborious and still predictable unless Swan or Pendles get it and they use their skill and vision to open the game up via foot or run.

We are a rubbish kicking side coming out of the back half which is why we rarely open sides up down the middle with bullet like kicks. Like I said, if Swan, Sidebottom and Pendles have it at half back it's all good, otherwise, forget it. Goldsack has the ability but doesn't do it enough. Maxwell, Williams, Sinclair are all rubbish by foot and often tend to blaze without looking. Most lf the time they don't even kick drop punts FFS! O'Brien is also poor by foot when looking for short targets.

Look at the Hawks for example off half back and they have Birchall, Hodge, Burgoyne and Guerra. Cats have Enright, Mackie, Guthrie etc.
Swans have McVeigh and Malceski.

This is why our ball movement and skill level execution is still a major worry. Just how much more improvement do guys like Williams and Sinclair have in their kicking? Maxwell's wont improve. Shaw always has brain fades and Harry unless its run 20 and bomb another 50m it is useless.

We need to start playing those who are quality field kicks. I'm looking at Seedsman for starters. He is the best ball user out of that lot off half back. Goldsack is slowly getting continuity and although he had one shank last night, he is normally reliable and has penetration in his kicking.

 

[BionicBeams]

I won't hang the Hawks loss on him

Why not?

Almost two years at the helm and they still can't kick worth shit.
Almost two years at the helm and they still can't tackle properly.
Almost two years at the helm and the forward structure and movement is still garbage.
Almost two years at the helm and Cloke still misses sitters from ten metres dead in front.

Still Sinclair and Blair get a game ahead of Seedsman and Martin.

Still Lynch the ******* gets a game ahead of, well, anyone.

Maxwell still getting a game - if the game has moved on since Malthouse, then why hasn't Maxwell, since the blind rushed kick or pointless long bomb he specialises in is never to the team's advantage anymore.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Great point re the Brown substitution.

With the game in the balance, Buckley could've been more conservative and bring Reid back and leave Brown there...but instead he attacked and thought the best way to stop Tippett was to win the ball fromt he centre again.

It worked as Dwyer was handy, and Keefe did a good job. Keeping Reid forward helped as well I think.


And also agree about the Ablett issue. Tagging Ablett may have won us the game, but there were so many mistaktes that game that cost us including innaccuracy in front of goal and turnovers. Not many can hold their heads up high that game...Buckley included.

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