Eddie McGuire makes on-air gaffe about Adam Goodes and King Kong

[Cynic]

What a load of rubbish. There's no way he should step aside because of that. It was crude and came out wrong but it wasn't malicious and I don't think there's any deep seated racism in Eddie. Apologise and move on. If the AFL choose to come down hard on this as a pathetic sign that Collingwood doesn't own them I'll be utterly disgusted.

 

[conodie05]

He should have said it without the qualification to start with. Adler has said sorry about the HIH thing many times but people still think he is a dodgy gimp because he tried to qualify it when making his frist public apologies too.

Why should he not be entitled to preface it? It doesn't make his apology any less sincere. He was reiterating the fact he isn't racist but understands how his flippant remark can be misinterepreted that way. Because it is such a hot topic people need to be reminded of all the good he has done to stamp out racism regardless of one stupid comment.

What a knob, no doubt he will turn this circus into a win for Collingwood at the expense of the other 17 clubs.

You utter moron.

 

[Chief]

I'm laughing at the over-reaction to this

Sure it was clumsy of him to say this but people are getting carried away because of their hatred for Eddie

Eddie himself has said "zero tolerance". Why should that not apply to him? Whatever the intention his remarks were offensive. Pretty cut and dried, according to Eddie.

 

[DogDays]

That is what was eloquently put by Harry O, it is a form of casual racism.

There's your problem right there - if you think Harry O can put even a single word eloquently then you are horribly misinformed and uneducated.

 

[LoungeLizard]

If someone makes a racist remark, does that make them a racist?
Let's say someone spends their whole life doing charity work for the unfortunate, then makes 1 stupid comment, yeah lets crucify.
Remember this all you people who want Eddie gone,when your coach, president ceo, whoever, says a stupid comment after Eddie stands down.

 

[carnthemlions]

No, we can only correlate a story with total confidence with first hand accounts, or written documents made by contemporaries. Otherwise it is simply conjecture, myth or legend (the bible being a perfect example), and not fit for a history class (unless it is simply teaching what a certain people believed, which is taught in this case). Without a written history it is not possible.

You are clearly completely out of your depth when it comes to intelligent discussion, so it is best for you to walk away as you have done (without once brining out any factual errors I made, funny that)

You even had the nerve to claim you pointed out my ignorance without actually doing it.

Ah, so history can only be taught based on secondary sources these days?
Ok....
Scrap the stone age, it probably didn't happen.

Who's out of their depth here, again?

 

[the distributer]

You can't defend what was actually said. Intent might be a different matter, but what was said by the girl on Friday night and by Eddie on the radio yesterday was totally unacceptable and it should be acknowledged that that is the case.

I'm sure Jason Dunstall would agree 100% that him being called an ape means absolutely nothing in comparison to Adam Goodes being called one.

Eddies a different story, he tried to make a joke of the situation when there was no joke, he deserves all the negative press.

And yes you would hope a mature person or anyone for that matter didn't call a black man an Ape, i just feel Goodes should've given the girl the benefit of the doubt when he realised she was just a kid.

 

[greennick]

Aboriginals do not have a written history. You can't teach kids off blank pages.

All you can teach (and it is taught) is about aborignal culture before 1788 but you can't talk about specific events because we simply don't know of any. History starts in 1788 because that's literally the starting point for written history in this country. It's a practical reason, not an idealistic one that 50 000 years of Aboriginal history is 'glossed' over. Surely you aren't advocating just making stuff up? Our curriculum isn't written by Oliver Stone or Michael Moore.

Also, I went to a Catholic School and was exposed to the teachings of the dreamtime. In no other instance would a religous school even contemplate exposing children to another religion (and no I am not complaining about it).

The curriculum is fine, learning about aboriginal culture is important but we can only deal with the hand we are dealt. And in terms of Aboriginal history culture is all we learn about, and it is a very sanitised version of it at that.

You do realise much more of aboriginal history is known than what is written in history books? More than that, a lot of the well known bits of aboriginal history, namely the arrival of white men and systematic abuses that followed, are well recorded by white men. Yet, still, we don't teach the detail of this in history classes.

In the US they have whole chapters on slavery. Yet we choose to ignore our history and pretend it didn't happen.

 

[Blueboys11]

The public dislike of Harry compared with say another faux intellectual like Bob Murphy is so much more intense, part of the abuse has to be grounded in racism.

Absolute rubbish

 

[Polecat]

The problem is - this is going to stick for the rest of his career (whether it's warranted or not). If he does not set an example and come down hard on himself, he is going to face a very difficult sitaution when (and no doubt about it, it will happen) the next incident of this nature occurs at his Club.
How does this look for all those Collingwood members who have copped the wrath of Eddie and have had their memberships revoked? How is this helping in the supposed "education" of the 13yo? What sense would she and her family be making of the events of the last 2 days?

 

[carnthemlions]

Our entire society is fueled by emotional manipulation.

Politicians couldn't get away with their crap without it.

 

[Chief]

Goodes suggested the girls family upbringing was less than ideal etc etc.

Anyone in Australia who doesn't know that calling an Aboriginal "ape" is monumentally offensive has had a bad upbringing. Pure and simple.

and i disagree with the word being unacceptable, as i've said many times in this thread, the term often used around my parts to describe a large hairy man is 'Ape', 'ya big Ape' etc etc,

How many Aboriginal people do you call 'ape' in a given day? Week? Year?

 

[Falchoon]

Ed on MMM accusing the Herald Sun online of winding the story up yesterday.


Can somebody please get this man an adviser

 

[Monkey King]

You can't defend what was actually said. Intent might be a different matter, but what was said by the girl on Friday night and by Eddie on the radio yesterday was totally unacceptable and it should be acknowledged that that is the case.

I completely disagree. If you're not racist, you're not racist. If your comments have no racial intent whatsoever, that aren't racist. I don't care how others wish to take the comment or what they want to base their offense on. Pandering to the emotions of those who feel down-trodden has shit all to do with it IMO.

 

[Catfish Alley]

Someone needs to be sacked for this.

You sure your name isn't Hinch??

 

[Plugger35]

What a load of rubbish. There's no way he should step aside because of that. It was crude and came out wrong but it wasn't malicious and I don't think there's any deep seated racism in Eddie. Apologise and move on. If the AFL choose to come down hard on this as a pathetic sign that Collingwood doesn't own them I'll be utterly disgusted.

Makes me sick how Demetriou gets on his high horse again over this. This is the same bloke that forced Adelaide to sack Matt Rendell for supposed racist comments that weren't actually racist when put in to context.

If anyone should stand down it's Demetriou.

 

[greennick]

Goodes suggested the girls family upbringing was less than ideal etc etc.

and i disagree with the word being unacceptable, as i've said many times in this thread, the term often used around my parts to describe a large hairy man is 'Ape', 'ya big Ape' etc etc, remember these words came from a 13 year old who probably would've called Mumford an ape if he had a beard as well, the whole thing has been handled terribly and Goodes shouldn't be getting any pats on the back for his part in it IMO.

It probably was. The mum made excuses for her and thought it wasn't a big deal. It is clear the kid hasn't been educated about racism.

 

[Average Joe]

Got to love Harry O! On his own Twitter page he refers to himself as a "Buffalo Soldier" but according to the interwebs, "sources assert that Native Americans called the black cavalry troops "buffalo soldiers" because of their dark curly hair, which resembled a buffalo's coat". Now that comes from wiki so it could be total bullshit, but if that is what the term "Buffalo Soldier" refers to, is this racist? Is Harry being a tad hypocritical?

 

[Swanhotels]

I dont like Eddie but for god sakes everyone needs to chill out, what he said was stupid yes but everyone makes mistakes. Everyone needs to take a deep breath and get over it.

 

[neroblack]

I completely disagree. If you're not racist, you're not racist. If your comments have no racial intent whatsoever, that aren't racist. I don't care how others wish to take the comment or what they want to base their offense on. Pandering to the emotions of those who feel down-trodden has shit all to do with it IMO.

From what you wrote, you don't completely disagree, because we pretty much said the same thing about intent. The difference is that I care about the impact of what I say on other people, and you don't.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Ah, so history can only be taught based on secondary sources these days?
Ok....
Scrap the stone age, it probably didn't happen.

Who's out of their depth here, again?

What? If you read the rest of my posts on this issue, I am refering only to specific events. Which is why when we teach 50 000 years of Aboriginal Culture you can only teach culture, a few myths and legends but that doesn't amount to much class time. Especially compared to 200 years of written evidence regarding specific events by multiple souces.

But thanks for giving me a prefect scenario to prove my point.

How much are people taught about the stone age in England compared to post dark ages history? The stone ages lasted probably 40 000 years at least there, while post dark age history has only lasted 1000 years. How much more do we know, and therefore which one gets more of a look in at schools in England do you think post dark age society and history gets?

I think you know the answer

 

[DogDays]

Got to love Harry O! On his own Twitter page he refers to himself as a "Buffalo Soldier" but according to the interwebs, "sources assert that Native Americans called the black cavalry troops "buffalo soldiers" because of their dark curly hair, which resembled a buffalo's coat". Now that comes from wiki so it could be total bullshit, but if that is what the term "Buffalo Soldier" refers to, is this racist? Is Harry being a tad hypocritical?

That - in and of itself - gives you all the information you need to know about Harry O.

 

[thecotch]

But he will only do it if the Collingwood Board members think he should. Weak and gutless flog in my view. He should man up and take responsibility for his own actions and not rely on others to make the decision for him. Poor leadership IMO.

Yep I agree and this is crap in my opinion. Taking my richmond hat off here absolutely. He should not OFFER to resign. He SHOULD resign...period. This was a bloody debacle by Eddie. He's looking more and more like a dill the more he talks and mumbles and bumbles his way through the explanations. There is no explanation Eddie. What you said was bloody awful and ill timed.

Hand in your presidency resignation without question. You've undone all your credibility.

 

[Tulip]

Not to Adam Goodes it doesn't.

Everybody seems to be looking at it from everyone's view except for Goodes. He is clearly angry about it.

So he should lose his job over it?

Can't we just move on?

 

[SBYM]

No, we can only correlate a story with total confidence with first hand accounts, or written documents made by contemporaries. Otherwise it is simply conjecture, myth or legend (the bible being a perfect example), and not fit for a history class (unless it is simply teaching what a certain people believed, which is taught in this case). Without a written history it is not possible.

I'm sorry, but there is no such thing as 'total confidence' when it comes to history.

Any historical narrative is essentially conjecture; what sets one apart from the other is the reliability of the methodology used and the credibility of the conclusions.

There is 'good' and 'bad' history - in a narrative sense - with the former coming on the back of years of training in skills such as interrogating source material, eliminating bias, structuring arguments etc.

I would be happy to send you some stuff to read.