Eddie, Tex and COLA

[the_interloper]

Richard Colless is not a media commentator, so what's your point?

In that context he was a media commentator to be honest. And my point is basically up yours!

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

In that context he was a media commentator to be honest.

No he wasn't, he was being interviewed.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Well I'd say it's pretty difficult to discuss this topic without talking about COLA, it's like trying to discuss raves without talking about disco bickies or horse racing without punting.

Sorry, missed this one earlier on.

My question was about McGuire's dual role as club president and media commentator and whether his comments in response to Walker's knee injury were appropriate and tasteful, and indeed whether they represented an attempt to impose his own personal agenda onto an unfortunate occurrence.

See? Perfectly easy.

 

[CAS79]

Sorry, missed this one earlier on.

My question was about McGuire's dual role as club president and media commentator and whether his comments in response to Walker's knee injury were appropriate and tasteful, and indeed whether they represented an attempt to impose his own personal agenda onto an unfortunate occurrence.

See? Perfectly easy.

It has to be. The COLA was not the trigger for Tippett to walk out on Adelade, it may be argued it was incentive for him t ogo to Sydney but Tippett had already left the Crows.

McGuire was pushing his cause when he said the crows would not be in this position without the COLA because he knew that was incorrect.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Pretty insensitive timing if nothing else, I would have thought.

You need to HTFU, I would have thought.

 

[Neese]

I couldn't give a shit what Eddie says tbh. I tune him out

 

[GoTheSwannies]

Seems like an odd bow for Eddie to draw. Walker out obviously hurts the Crows, losing Tippet to Sydney makes it even harder to cover his loss, but his loss wouldn't have been any better covered if they lost Tippet to GC/GWS or Brisbane, all of whom seemed able to afford his contract. The COLA issue has no relation to Walkers injury and Eddie just saw it as a chance to push an agenda.

my thoughts exactly, only better coming from a neutral, means nothing coming from a swans supporter

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

You need to HTFU, I would have thought.

Yeah, a star player has maybe had a season-ending injury, and I've got to not feel the slightest bit sorry for the guy.

I promise to try.

 

[Furn2]

Lets not pretend this is Eddies crusade, it's everyone. Even my distant rellos in Texas thought it was an absolute joke, and they've seen as single game.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

So you want to discuss whether or not a stakeholder was pushing an agenda...

...but you don't want any discussion on that agenda.

Got it.

 

[davis_756]

So apparently during the broadcast of the Carlton/Crows game, when Tex Walker did his knee, Eddie McGuire deemed it appropriate to link it to Sydney's Cost of Living Allowance, going on at considerable length (and again at half time) about how if Walker's out for the season, the impact will be all the greater on the Crows because the COLA allowed Sydney to get Tippett.

Now while I personally believe it's BS that it's the COLA that allowed us to get Tippett, there's a whole dedicated thread running to 76 pages if you want to dispute or discuss that.

What I want to put up for discussion is whether it was self-interested to a very tasteless degree to link the two events.

Walker's just done his knee, possibly out for the season, and McGuire apparently sees that as a golden chance to impose his specific agenda on a barely-related subject onto the listeners.

Are we again seeing a clear conflict of interest rear up when a club president is also a match caller on national media?

Pretty insensitive timing if nothing else, I would have thought.

(But I reiterate, if it's the COLA itself you want to discuss, take that to the dedicated thread.)

If you didn't want to discuss to COLA don't use it in your argument.

Are you Sydney fans really that clueless, you offer a bloke on 300k a 430k + COLA contract and they move for the extra money. Next contract you drop them back to 280k + COLA they stay for the same money they are getting in Vic and you use the extra 20k per player (40*20= You work it out) to buy someone in.

Without the COLA adelaide would still have tippett, now they have no KPF's for the season.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

So you want to discuss whether or not a stakeholder was pushing an agenda...

...but you don't want any discussion on that agenda.

Got it.

Absolutely. I want discussion on whether it's appropriate for McGuire to push an agenda.

Of course I had to mention COLA for context.

I mean, I guess I could have posed the question "Do You Thing Eddie McGuire Should Use Random Events He Comes Across In His Position As A Media Commentator To Push A Personal Agenda?" but the first question everyone would have asked would have been "What Random Events"? and we'd be back here anyway.

Funny how one Joe Schmoe on BF asking whether an extremely high-profile personality is pushing an agenda, gets accused instantly of pushing an agenda.

Ah'm thinking ah might go gets mahself one o' them hah-profile media po-ZISHUNS!

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

If you didn't want to discuss to COLA don't use it in your argument.

Are you Sydney fans really that clueless, you offer a bloke on 300k a 430k + COLA contract and they move for the extra money. Next contract you drop them back to 280k + COLA they stay for the same money they are getting in Vic and you use the extra 20k per player (40*20= You work it out) to buy someone in.

Without the COLA adelaide would still have tippett, now they have no KPF's for the season.

But you apparently want to discuss the COLA, so in that case, go to the COLA thread.

Enjoy.

 

[Wooljay]

Insensitive to Crows fans at best, and using his media position to push his own agenda (yet again) at worst. But nothing will be done about it and the apologists will claim he's just doing his job as a media presenter to raise and discuss footy topics.

But...he is though..?

I'm honestly confused what the issue is, he's a commentator who is commentating on an issue.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

But...he is though..?

I'm honestly confused what the issue is, he's a commentator who is commentating on an issue.

But...he's also a club president, I thought..?

 

[Wooljay]

But...he's also a club president, I thought..?

He made those remarks in his role as a commentator. What is so offensive about them? Is he really pushing an agenda, or is he just raising a valid point that you find uncomfortable?

 

[davis_756]

But you apparently want to discuss the COLA, so in that case, go to the COLA thread.

Enjoy.

So you want to have a stand off when only your gun is loaded then? Waste of space thread.

 

[Chewy]

Thanks Chewy, always value your insights.

Sorry, I can't help you. You dug your own hole.

When a West Coast player gets injured and the commentators say "Gee, that's going make it tough for the Eagles" that is almost as insensitive as Eddie's self-serving commentary. No thought towards the player, just the headache it's given the coach. AFL Footy is a tough business. McGuire is immersed in the wheeling and dealing, so it's only natural he'll have a slightly different angle than Brian "WOWEE" Taylor

The only reason you've taken umbrage with Eddie is because he hit a nerve. Swans fans want everyone to shut up about their AFL Lovechild status. They want everyone to forget all about it and for the AFL keep handing them favours.

OHH!!!

But I can't discuss this in this thread...

OOPS

Sorry

 

[Neese]

Pointless thread

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

So you want to have a stand off when only your gun is loaded then?

Gun? What gun? Loaded with what?

I come unarmed. I have nothing up my sleeve. What's your point? I don't wish to discuss COLA. I do wish to discuss the appropriateness of McGuire's comments, and the appropriateness of their timing.

There are a few nuances here which seem to be eluding some people.

 

[Sealz]

As soon as as Walker went down with his knee I immediately thought of Tippett and the Crows lack of other KPF options... I'm guessing Eddy was the same. I think as a commentator it was natual to mention that the loss of Tippett would now be felt even harder by Adelaide.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Sorry, I can't help you. You dug your own hole.

When a West Coast player gets injured and the commentators say "Gee, that's going make it tough for the Eagles" that is almost as insensitive as Eddie's self-serving commentary. No thought towards the player, just the headache it's given the coach. AFL Footy is a tough business. McGuire is immersed in the wheeling and dealing, so it's only natural he'll have a slightly different angle than Brian "WOWEE" Taylor

I don't need your help, but thanks anyway.

Your WC simile is valid only if we completely ignore McGuire's linking of Walker's injury to the COLA.

So, as much use as handlebars on a bowling ball.

 

[davis_756]

Gun? What gun? Loaded with what?

I come unarmed. I have nothing up my sleeve. What's your point? I don't wish to discuss COLA. I do wish to discuss the appropriateness of McGuire's comments, and the appropriateness of their timing.

There are a few nuances here which seem to be eluding some people.

My point is you want to use something as 90% of your argument and then only discuss the other 10% of your post.

Why do you think Tippett left Adelaide to go to Sydney? More money? How did your club find that extra money?

 

[Forward Press]

We already have a COLA mega-thread.

Closed.