Player Watch Edward Allan

[sr36]

You mean where the foetus gestates? Maybe he was just kept in a box?

That'd explain why he was born two years later.

 

[loki04]

I'm a WHE fan so not really concerned about what BF think. If Allan can match WHE's career he'll have done well.

My expectations are much higher for him then WHE.

If a non skinny non soft version of WHE that would be OK but I really hope he develops into more then a bit part player.

 

[neilk]

Here's a cheers from his Uncle Dave

He had a missing finger on his left hand, a-la Daniel Chick.

 

[Fat Jesus]

My expectations are much higher for him then WHE.

If a non skinny non soft version of WHE that would be OK but I really hope he develops into more then a bit part player.

WHE is better than most think. Top 5 or 6 in pace in the AFL. Runs more then anyone on our list. Around 14Km per game.

Runs opponents around and has his job assigned in the game plan from McRae.

 

[Albert Parker]

Sorry. I made an error there. His dad's cousin (they are close like brothers), lives in Melbourne and was Head of Research Goldman Sachs.

thought so. Didn't realise Andrew Lyons, who lives in Sydney, fit the bill.

 

[Fat Jesus]

I think in that podcast Ben Allan says "Peter Mann" is Ed's uncle.
He was handy..

 

[Albert Parker]

A few weeks ago I commented somewhere that I remembered that Collingwood recruiters would always check out the bedrooms of prospective recruits. A tidy, ordered environment pointing to an ordered individual etc. Last night I heard somebody comment during the broadcast, that the No.1 draft priority was character. That surprised me a little, but when you come across good character these days, it hits you in the face a bit. I think this kid oozes character. We'll have to wait on the rest.

So how did it work wth Travis Cloke......as I was told by Neil Balme that as they sat at the kitchen table at the Cloke house, a donkey literally walked down the hallway?!
Let that roll with a father son I suppose

 

[loki04]

WHE is better than most think. Top 5 or 6 in pace in the AFL. Runs more then anyone on our list. Around 14Km per game.

Runs opponents around and has his job assigned in the game plan from McRae.

It's his short stepping ground contests that I hate most, it has cost us in the past and will again.

Outside that he is too low production to want your first rounder to "be like".

I get internally he is rated, by both Buckley and likely now mcrae likely for what you described work rate up and back with the odd aerial presence.

Also 14km a game shows you how far the drop off has come from early 2000s.
Crawford Buckley Harvey Richetelli all 20km per game mids.
Mids in general were 16km per game.
Chris Tarrant was a 16km per game player as a kpf.

 

[cakewalk06]

So how did it work wth Travis Cloke......as I was told by Neil Balme that as they sat at the kitchen table at the Cloke house, a donkey literally walked down the hallway?!
Let that roll with a father son I suppose

 

[Gone Critical]

Here's a cheers from his Uncle Dave

Hope he inherited Uncle Daves timing

 

[Mollythedolly]

My expectations are much higher for him then WHE.

If a non skinny non soft version of WHE that would be OK but I really hope he develops into more then a bit part player.

Happy for you to think WHE as having been a bit part player over his career. I think he’s been better than that. He’ll push toward 200 games this year, something like 150 of them in B&W. If Allan can exceed WHE’s career he’ll be a ripper.

 

[Jen2310]

 

[MagpieJoel]

It's his short stepping ground contests that I hate most, it has cost us in the past and will again.

Outside that he is too low production to want your first rounder to "be like".

I get internally he is rated, by both Buckley and likely now mcrae likely for what you described work rate up and back with the odd aerial presence.

Also 14km a game shows you how far the drop off has come from early 2000s.
Crawford Buckley Harvey Richetelli all 20km per game mids.
Mids in general were 16km per game.
Chris Tarrant was a 16km per game player as a kpf.

They play far less game time these days. The interchange was hardly used.

 

[Pie eyed]

Nice - Stole a slider there.

Glad they didn't get gun-shy over potential go-home factors after Ollie Henry.

We haven't had many "go home" over the years and Gelong really has little "go home" factor.
He wanted to play with his brother, which is fair enough.
He could have gone about it better but in the end it is the manager that **** this shit up.
Henry is a young kid.

 

[Pie eyed]

Hopefully he's a footballer first and athlete second.

His Dad was a great footballer.

 

[Gone Critical]

So what do you think our future midfield looks like?

Nick, Reef, Allen, Draper, Macrae, McReery ?

Would that cover all bases?

Nah better than that. Daicos x2, De G, good hopes for Reef and Allen, maybe one of Draper, Finn and Harrison and the other couple of excellent mids we get in the next 1-2 drafts. Also Q and Hill as potential to join in. McCreery full time pressure forward I think

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

So what do you think our future midfield looks like?

Nick, Reef, Allen, Draper, Macrae, McReery ?

Would that cover all bases?

Josh Daicos and Pat Lipinski are 23. And Trent Bianco and Josh Carmichael have a better chance of making it than Draper at this stage.

 

[sideswipe]

Also 14km a game shows you how far the drop off has come from early 2000s.
Crawford Buckley Harvey Richetelli all 20km per game mids.
Mids in general were 16km per game.
Chris Tarrant was a 16km per game player as a kpf.

There is a thing that the eggheads use called an Exertion Index. It isn't the distance, it's the effort. To even suggest there has been a "drop off" is just silly.

 

[Dundalis]

WHE is better than most think. Top 5 or 6 in pace in the AFL. Runs more then anyone on our list. Around 14Km per game.

He has fantastic athletic attributes, the problem is he consistently undermines any good work he does by making mental errors you usually only see in junior footy.

Josh Daicos and Pat Lipinski are 23. And Trent Bianco and Josh Carmichael have a better chance of making it than Draper at this stage.

IMO, Josh will be easily pushed out of midfield in the future if the younger mids on the team develop properly. I fully expect him to end up basically making the transition back into the forward line once that happens. Could potentially even become a run and carry small defender. Lipinksi similarly should likely be pushed out of midfield if other prospects develop, except I don't really see a role for him at that point. I think both just have big enough holes in their games as pure mids, where our other younger mid prospects have the potential to develop more well rounded attributes for the midfield.

 

[Fat Jesus]

He has fantastic athletic attributes, the problem is he consistently undermines any good work he does by making mental errors you usually only see in junior footy.

IMO, Josh will be easily pushed out of midfield in the future if the younger mids on the team develop properly. I fully expect him to end up basically making the transition back into the forward line once that happens. Could potentially even become a run and carry small defender. Lipinksi similarly should likely be pushed out of midfield if other prospects develop, except I don't really see a role for him at that point. I think both just have big enough holes in their games as pure mids, where our other younger mid prospects have the potential to develop more well rounded attributes for the midfield.

I wonder if Josh could replace Nick at HBF. Nick into the midfield.
Several blokes can replace Josh on the wing..

 

[loki04]

Happy for you to think WHE as having been a bit part player over his career. I think he’s been better than that. He’ll push toward 200 games this year, something like 150 of them in B&W. If Allan can exceed WHE’s career he’ll be a ripper.

Yes he's had a solid AFL career but he is not the main part of a engine room or key pillar.

He plays a role and is low possesion, low goal, low goal assist, low rebounds, low tackles player.

His selling point is his aerial ability, his ability to run to position and back to defence and bob up for a goal here or there.

I would 100% saying you like our top pick to be the new WHE is aiming low.

 

[loki04]

There is a thing that the eggheads use called an Exertion Index. It isn't the distance, it's the effort. To even suggest there has been a "drop off" is just silly.

Well Buckley for starters had 5km of his at 100% effort and 0% registered as standing still in the recorded game.
They used to have to use 2 taggers a lot of the time because one would be gassed by half time. Kellaway brothers will testify to this.

Today's 12km mids would mean that Buckley 5km of sprinting 41% of they're total...

01-03 Tarrant was often lauded for his ability to lead hard and fast on 80 to 100m leads repeatedly. Defenders couldn't stick with him.

To suggest dropping 4 to 6km of any effort a game, is not a drop off is even more silly.

 

[loki04]

They played far less game time these days. The interchange was hardly used.

Yes but that also means they likely train for less game time too.

Wade was in an interview stating that RL do more volume in preseason then AFL do.

He thinks it's a place of improvement maybe we saw the results of that with how well we ran out games.

 

[sideswipe]

Well Buckley for starters had 5km of his at 100% effort and 0% registered as standing still in the recorded game.
They used to have to use 2 taggers a lot of the time because one would be gassed by half time. Kellaway brothers will testify to this.

Today's 12km mids would mean that Buckley 5km of sprinting 41% of they're total...

01-03 Tarrant was often lauded for his ability to lead hard and fast on 80 to 100m leads repeatedly. Defenders couldn't stick with him.

To suggest dropping 4 to 6km of any effort a game, is not a drop off is even more silly.

If you can cite the 20km data, feel free. Here is a study covering 2005-8. The exertion increased over that period. Distance slightly decreased

Quantifying movement demands of AFL football using GPS tracking

Global positioning system (GPS) monitoring of movement patterns is widespread in elite football including the Australian Football League (AFL). However documented analysis of this activity is lacking. We quantified the movement patterns of AFL football and differences between nomadic (midfield)...

www.jsams.org

 

[loki04]

If you can cite the 20km data, feel free. Here is a study covering 2005-8. The exertion increased over that period. Distance slightly decreased

Quantifying movement demands of AFL football using GPS tracking

Global positioning system (GPS) monitoring of movement patterns is widespread in elite football including the Australian Football League (AFL). However documented analysis of this activity is lacking. We quantified the movement patterns of AFL football and differences between nomadic (midfield)...

www.jsams.org

You can watch it on player tracker from channel 9 when they used to live GPS track certain players.

If I can find the screen shot of it I'll get it for you.