Society/Culture Elon Musk - Takeover of Twitter?

[faible]

Nobody is saying Germans should feel personally guilty. He’s echoing the neo Nazis dog whistling; the holocaust and ethno nationalism should not be something to reject.

He’s a neo nazi and anyone who denies it is a nazi, dumb or trolling.


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I’m not sure he’s a neo-nazi, I’m also not sure it matters.

The richest man on the planet is platforming far-right parties and personalities, supporting far-right talking points and trying to meddle on global politics by pushing far-right parties.

What his personal views are don’t really matter because irrespective of whether he personally is a neo-nazi, he’s supporting and platforming those who are nazi-adjacent in the AfD party.

Does a guy like that seem like someone who’d throw out a far-right gesture? Absolutely.

Is he doing this because he’s a neo-Nazi or he just happens to be an apartheid era South African who has a belief in white superiority and likes the idea of an oligarchy and a ruling and under class?

 

[Chief]

They are here to pushback against the far left

Can you give us a bit of a ballpark on who\what you think the far left is?

 

[Blue1980]

Even if it wasn't, the new dead cat on the table is his speech at a neo-Nazi rally.

He doesn't know that you're supposed to throw something out that is DIFFERENT to the thing you did that you're trying to distract people from.

Is in an echo chamber, that’s he’s created for himself. So his sycophants keep getting him on, he is so desperate to be loved and adored, he will do Nazi bidding for them.

Whether it’s coming from an ideological vision or just trolling to own the libs or to make Nazis and incels jizz, the end result is the same.

 

[Blue1980]

Can you give us a bit of a ballpark on who\what you think the far left is?

Something something trans people

Something something DEI

Something something immigrants

 

[kranky al]

Can you give us a bit of a ballpark on who\what you think the far left is?

I ask this question all the time. You never get an answer.

Literally it’s trans, woke, renewables, girl with purple hair, not allowed to use n-bomb.

 

[happy_eagle]

One thing the left have been unable to combat is the right wing disinformation about the left position on certain issues.

The right will just say things like "Democrats want your boys to be girls" without evidence to suggest that is a mainstream belief, and it just gets swallowed up and associated with the left. Trump and Musk used this fearmongering to win the election.

 

[liz]

Is he doing this because he’s a neo-Nazi or he just happens to be an apartheid era South African who has a belief in white superiority and likes the idea of an oligarchy and a ruling and under class?

I agree with the thrust of your post that it doesn’t much matter if he’s personally a neo-Nazi or not.

But I then don’t understand the distinction you draw in your final paragraph above. Isn’t an anti-democratic white supremacist essentially what a neo-Nazi is?

 

[liz]

One thing the left have been unable to combat is the right wing disinformation about the left position on certain issues.

It’s not just blatant disinformation. The Right is far far better at framing issues and controlling the public discourse than the Left. Has been for decades.

Of course, a leftish party with the will and gumption to implement some real change to our broken economic system would be nice, but it’s all pointless unless they can learn to communicate in their language, not that of the opposition.

 

[Cyber_punk]

Elon Musk addresses far-right crowd in Germany after backlash over salutes, Nazi puns

Musk told AfD supporters at a campaign event that “children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents” in an apparent reference to Germany’s Nazi past.

www.msnbc.com

"Multiculturalism dilutes everything" says the man from South Africa who immigrated to America while talking to people in Germany.

 

[faible]

I agree with the thrust of your post that it doesn’t much matter if he’s personally a neo-Nazi or not.

But I then don’t understand the distinction you draw in your final paragraph above. Isn’t an anti-democratic white supremacist essentially what a neo-Nazi is?

Nazism has the connotations of antisemitism, despite it being about much more than that. So people get really hung up on Elon supporting Israel as evidence that he can’t be a neo-Nazi or do a Nazi salute (despite him also sharing Jew conspiracy theories and holocaust doubt which is very neo-Nazi).

I’d also argue white supremacy and white superiority are different; apartheid SA didn’t try to slaughter or deport all the non-whites, they just believed they were lesser and used them as slave labour, educated them (if at all) separately, and denied them any power.

I don’t think Musk is out for blood, he just wants power.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I just heard he used the word ‘diluted’ in regards to multiculturalism in Germany. Is that even a dog whistle?it’s like a fog horn.




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[Gethelred]

It’s not just blatant disinformation. The Right is far far better at framing issues and controlling the public discourse than the Left. Has been for decades.

Of course, a leftish party with the will and gumption to implement some real change to our broken economic system would be nice, but it’s all pointless unless they can learn to communicate in their language, not that of the opposition.

That's because marketing is the entire purpose of right wing politics: to justify and make palatable the wishes of the ownership and ruling classes. Confirmation bias is acceptable if it works; logic is acceptable if it works; emotion is acceptable if it works. Whatever means that those in their rightful position atop the hierarchy stay there is a valid position to take.

The only reason left wing thought has ever broken through is entirely due to the left violently seizing power in America in 1774, France in 1789, and the continued forces of the Enlightenment enriching and educating the lower classes into concepts that compelled those with power to offer a sop to the working classes whenever they got sufficiently numerous or raucous that from a purely numbers standpoint they threatened the monopoly of violence within the state; increased rights, civil rights, broadened financial rights. It's the most iniquitous thing the ownership classes ever did, creating a series of wealthy working classes; a CEO or a board member or a vice president is, to all intents, a member of the upper classes in terms of wealth and association, but they do not own any of that which remunerates them and are at all times subject to the whims of those that do. Their position is vulnerable, and has any number of those below them actively seeking to undermine them; as such, they cannot ever allow a free pass at their position, cannot allow a moment of weakness.

They in effect police the class demarcation with more vehemence than an owner ever could, because their position can be taken by someone else if they don't.

No, if history is observed, the left cannot ever match the right in a populist argument unless that argument is based on utilitarian outcomes and beholden to the facts or the right is compelled to listen via a threat of force. And the only path toward an argument based on genuine utilitarian principles and and beholden to the facts is a threat of force; a sufficiently motivated and numerous populace that is unwilling to take no for an answer.

 

[CM86]

The right don't talk to centrists that way.

There is a collection of posters that I have in a 'category' alongside you.
People who I think are genuine in their positions but actively avoid having them challenged.
evolved2, faible, the_interloper, Taylor, Seeds, Werewolf are the one's I've most frequently engaged with.

To me, this group respond to having a position challenged as an attack, rather than an opportunity to explore or reevaluate that position.
I've often unfairly attributed malice to ignorance, due to the respect I've had for this group of posters.


There is a handful of people from this site, that I'd actually consider my friend. And a smaller handful of them, I've had the most contentious positions with.
Where I've had moments of pure frustration and opposition, to the point of momentarily hating them and impulsively wishing I could inflict violence (as a initial reaction that immediately passed).

Two examples are Total Power and a poster who I still haven't recovered from losing, Brunswick Trap King.
The reason I care for these people is because they have always reached their positions through their own logic, experience and genuine desire for truth.
Regardless of our sometimes visceral disagreements with each other, I trust them and would go to them if I felt like I desperately needed help.

I bring this all up, because ElectricG is one of these posters.
And the reason is that you acknowledge who they are, their 'left/right' position, and dismiss it because it doesn't align with your 'centrist' view. And it breaks me a little more inside, because I have no idea "talk to" you or people like you without pushing you deeper into your current positions.
And I watch as the actual harm from the increasing number of people like you impacts the people around me.

 

[peetoo]

That's because marketing is the entire purpose of right wing politics: to justify and make palatable the wishes of the ownership and ruling classes. Confirmation bias is acceptable if it works; logic is acceptable if it works; emotion is acceptable if it works. Whatever means that those in their rightful position atop the hierarchy stay there is a valid position to take.

The only reason left wing thought has ever broken through is entirely due to the left violently seizing power in America in 1774, France in 1789, and the continued forces of the Enlightenment enriching and educating the lower classes into concepts that compelled those with power to offer a sop to the working classes whenever they got sufficiently numerous or raucous that from a purely numbers standpoint they threatened the monopoly of violence within the state; increased rights, civil rights, broadened financial rights. It's the most iniquitous thing the ownership classes ever did, creating a series of wealthy working classes; a CEO or a board member or a vice president is, to all intents, a member of the upper classes in terms of wealth and association, but they do not own any of that which remunerates them and are at all times subject to the whims of those that do. Their position is vulnerable, and has any number of those below them actively seeking to undermine them; as such, they cannot ever allow a free pass at their position, cannot allow a moment of weakness.

They in effect police the class demarcation with more vehemence than an owner ever could, because their position can be taken by someone else if they don't.

No, if history is observed, the left cannot ever match the right in a populist argument unless that argument is based on utilitarian outcomes and beholden to the facts or the right is compelled to listen via a threat of force. And the only path toward an argument based on genuine utilitarian principles and and beholden to the facts is a threat of force; a sufficiently motivated and numerous populace that is unwilling to take no for an answer.

Let’s face it, socialism is boring, it doesn’t suit the reality tv inspired reality of thought today

 

[Taylor]

Let’s face it, socialism is boring, it doesn’t suit the reality tv inspired reality of thought today

It does if you promise that life to people. You can promise the same farm to thirty thugs, they go in seize the farm for you and you tell they that they all have a slither of it.

Same metaphor works for natural resources in a nation too. Frequently referred to as "our oil" or "our gas". But it's not. It's the government's. They sell it to fund programs to buy votes.

 

[Gethelred]

Let’s face it, socialism is boring, it doesn’t suit the reality tv inspired reality of thought today

... I really need to work on being succinct, if that's your take.