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Fatcat08 said:
yeah wanting to come to brisbane continues to be the constant hurdle. We've got a fair bit of cap space still next season so i guess there's money which if you look at the amount of ball coming into our back 50 would be one of the very few reasons you'd agree to come here.

I think we definitely need two KPD's so a FA like either of the Brown brothers would make sense. Don't think we'll trade for 2 if we can avoid it given the still pressing need for high level talent on our list as well.
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I'd be happy with only one experienced KPD.
I like the look of Andrews in particular, and to a lesser extent McStay (unsure if he is best suited forward or back). Gardiner and Hammelmann probably better suited to playing on mid sized forwards but can play on talls too. McKenzie with Andrews and McStay around him makes some sense to me. All these guys need continued exposure at the top level. Getting 2 veterans may stifle this
 
cdcanman said:
I'd be happy with only one experienced KPD.
I like the look of Andrews in particular, and to a lesser extent McStay (unsure if he is best suited forward or back). Gardiner and Hammelmann probably better suited to playing on mid sized forwards but can play on talls too. McKenzie with Andrews and McStay around him makes some sense to me. All these guys need continued exposure at the top level. Getting 2 veterans may stifle this
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I don't think so. You need depth as well. What happens if Andrews then goes out for a long period of time or for the season. McStay is more of a third tall as is Gardiner. Hammer is KPD sized but still lots of q's there and is still on our rookie list having only converted from a forward midway through the season. I'd say 2 gives us a similar setup then to what we would have gone into this season pre the clarke injury. 2 more experienced KPP's and then the kids. As for the stifling development I look at it the other way where subjecting kids to 60 inside 50's a game against guys who have 10-15 kg of muscle more is a recipe for issues development wise, not to mention injuries and fatigue. They get so focused on one on one defense that they have no confidence to implement a proper zone, help out a teammate nor do they think about the offensive side of the game.

Letting some of these guys get more exposure to be able to work on and implement other facets of their game in the reserves is invaluable. One week they can play a more rebounding role to focus on getting the ball moving offensively, another they can focus on being the spare in defense. That sort of role focus can only be implemented in the reserves where the aim is less on winning and more on rounding out your skill set. Sure having senior experience is invaluable however equally invaluable is the ability to focus on specific areas of your game without looking like an idiot at afl level for doing so. And lets face it in all reality whoever we bring in will be a second/third tier talent anyway so they won't keep the talented kids out long term, either that or they will have an injury history that will no doubt surface at some other point and the kids will get a game regardless.

You see it over and over again when player x from a good team comes into the side and looks the goods straight away. The reason they do is two fold, one they've got lots of senior players around them to help them out and take the pressure off them and second is that they've spent that time in the ressies working on rounding out their execution of the gameplan, skillset and developing their body to a level where they can compete without increased risk of burnout or injury. Look at a guy like Sicily for example, he's looked very good upon coming into the side because of the time he's had to develop. Did having guys in front of him stifle his development? hard to say but I tend to think not.

Development doesn't happen only when you're playing afl, sometimes it can be quicker when you're not or when you're just getting tastes of the difference between the levels from time to time. Some players develop faster in an environment where they can focus on specific areas at different times, rather than everything at once. Having those experienced players there is even more important when you've got a whole bunch of physically underdeveloped kids.
 
Mackenzie makes a lot of sense for the dogs and brissie for different reasons imo. With an extension of his contract to 3 years on similar money to what he's on now i think either team could get him interested. West coast would likely want a pick around 15 but realistically will likely get a pick around 30 for him.

Mitch Brown is dead average for 1, understands his position in the squad, has a wife who plays for the fever over here and is very settled in WA. Even though he is a FA i can't see him leaving at all.
 

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Water Bottle said:
Quality defender coming off an ACL. If you getting only pick 30 for that, logically you would rather keep him.
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Then keep him, there is no way any club would give up a first rounder.

He's 28, playing poorly and coming off a serious injury. There is more chance he won't get back to his best then there is that he will.
 
Water Bottle said:
Getting pick 30 for Emac would be a massive loss for us. Has to be a late first rounder.
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You're not going to get a pick in the top twenty for a 28 year old key defender who is in terrible for coming off an ACL.

He'd be worth a top ten pick on his pre knee form, but he has been nowhere near that. And he looks a fair way behind Barras and McGovern.
 
WilloTree said:
Obviously has some talent. But, you don't get 1st Rounders for blokes running around at East Perth.
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jack redden?

I don't think eagles will trade mackenzie that cheap. With NN gone for a year and mcinnis and giles spudding it up in the reserves, one of our KPP's might be turned into a make shift ruck and it opens a spot int the side for mackenzie.
 

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Barry_Badrinath said:
2 years ago you guys were saying it was a joke Rance was AA ahead of him. Now you don't even rate him ahead of Barrass or Schofield.

Hilarious.
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Hilarious that you're comparing someone who's done an ACL to someone who's had 2 years to develop further. He was better than Rance at the time, absolute bellend.
 
Emac is in a bit of bind. He is really worth more to WC than anyone else at this point. His performance and recovery are known quantities to them, unknown to every other club. No other team is going want to come in offering him two years plus and have to give up something significant to get him. Whereas they would take him for free.

From WC’s point of view why should they give him up, since he’d be useful cover, for a 3rd or 4th round pick when they can keep him in the event any of their current best 22 key defenders go down. Then piss him off at the end of next year, or offer him a fresh short term deal if he has come good.

This is a situation in which our inflexible system disadvantages players. Really, if you’re over say 26/27/28 and not being played then teams should forfeit the right to be able to hold you to a contact. If a team is prepared to offer a longer deal you should be able to go as a free agent. Same for players being offered 1 year deals coming out of contract. Clubs shouldn’t be able to use 1 year deals to force clubs to trade for players. (The point being then that the trade then doesn’t happen; marginal value etc etc.)

So what will happen is WC will force him to say, and then in 12 months his career will be over.
 
Paracleet said:
Emac is in a bit of bind. He is really worth more to WC than anyone else at this point. His performance and recovery are known quantities to them, unknown to every other club. No other team is going want to come in offering him two years plus and have to give up something significant to get him. Whereas they would take him for free.

From WC’s point of view why should they give him up, since he’d be useful cover, for a 3rd or 4th round pick when they can keep him in the event any of their current best 22 key defenders go down. Then piss him off at the end of next year, or offer him a fresh short term deal if he has come good.

This is a situation in which our inflexible system disadvantages players. Really, if you’re over say 26/27/28 and not being played then teams should forfeit the right to be able to hold you to a contact. If a team is prepared to offer a longer deal you should be able to go as a free agent. Same for players being offered 1 year deals coming out of contract. Clubs shouldn’t be able to use 1 year deals to force clubs to trade for players. (The point being then that the trade then doesn’t happen; marginal value etc etc.)

So what will happen is WC will force him to say, and then in 12 months his career will be over.
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I dont think it does. Emac would have signed a lucritive long term contract when playing well for peace of mind and being happy at the club. With that contract, he knew that he was locked in but gauranteed good money. Now that he has been injured and playing poorly after, that is the reason he signed the contract so he had job security. If he wanted to leave and get cast away, I would say that he would owe the eagles money, because they would not have payed him as much as the did in his initial years if he was to get up and go.

It is the same situation with Mcarthy, why sign a contract extension if you are not prepared to see out your contract. No one held a gun to their heads to make them sign.

I think West Coast are well within their rights to keep the player as back up, especially considering where they are in premiership contention.
 
WilloTree said:
Chris Dawes played 23 games the year he was traded.
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23 games that weren't exactly quality.
 
Water Bottle said:
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23 games that weren't exactly quality.
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Melbourne were channelling their internal demons...

You know they paid pick 25 for Jake Melksham... the guy who could have been delisted by the bombers. Were also willing to pay a pick in mid 20s for Farren Ray (in 2013 or 14), got Lumumba, et al.
 

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