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Mega Thread Essendon's punishment - Opinion, theories etc
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They could really have the wood on them over this allegation?
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Are we there yet?
Why is this more smug than those calling for the downfall? It has just as much chance as being correct!!
Players aren't going to get infractions mate, so move on. Club will accept token punishment for Dank having banned suppliments at the club and using their money to buy things for his business. They let him in and he could have done much worse than he did. Thank god he didn't!!
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Go and read the AFL Anti Doping Code.
Club based sanctions are at the sole discretion of the AFL Commission.
Their single biggest revenue stream requires 9 games a week across all the markets.
The club isn't going anywhere.
Have a post season carnival with the winners of each states biggest comp (wafl, sanfl, vfl, neafl etc) playoff for a year of big time. As a bonus they can have any player not implicated in Essendon's issue play for them
hugorune
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If the sanction was even on the same planet as that level of severity, the AFL would be visibly panicking right now because Essendon is one of the clubs that actually makes them money.
The smugness of the opposition is astounding.
The report hasn't even been revieled, the investigation hasn't even been outlined, no outcome has even come to fruition and every single one of you are talking about a punishment.
This all stems from the wish and desire to see a detriment to Essendon no matter what, haven't been able to do it on the field so it's transitioned off the field. How pathetic.
The report hasn't even been revieled, the investigation hasn't even been outlined, no outcome has even come to fruition and every single one of you are talking about a punishment.
This all stems from the wish and desire to see a detriment to Essendon no matter what, haven't been able to do it on the field so it's transitioned off the field. How pathetic.
Imagine if you were in their shoes for a second.. Seriously look at it from an outsiders view for a second rather than defending your club..
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I don't think the players should be penalized, the unfortunate side of all this is Essendon will be labelled cheats for a very long time and if I were a supporter, that would be the most worrying issue as any potential silverware down the track with this current playing group will have it's fair share of criticism.
Penalty enough I'd say but if the report does indicate any wrong doing on the boards behalf, gotta take it out on them and spare the playing group imo.
Bomber is a man of great integrity, I fully trust and believe what he has to say and has been saying on tv in recent months so the sooner it's over, the better for the comp.
Penalty enough I'd say but if the report does indicate any wrong doing on the boards behalf, gotta take it out on them and spare the playing group imo.
Bomber is a man of great integrity, I fully trust and believe what he has to say and has been saying on tv in recent months so the sooner it's over, the better for the comp.
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Unfortunately dealing with WADA is a bit like dealing with the ATO without the nice bits....I think they are looking at 6 months and not likely find a way out ....the strict liability thing nails them
Not trolling but seriously I wonder why you consider Bomber as a man of integrity..
The thing is if the club did inject their players the club and the players should be penalised. If the players are seriously clueless to this whole situation I feel sorry for them however it would just not be fair to let them to continue to play. If you take into account the fact that those injections will easily enhance the players performance for 2 year or more s then it would be rubbish to only punish them this year. Look at it this way..
Say you and I were at the same stage in a weight lifting program. You begin to start injecting yourself for 6 months and because of this your lifting of weight increases rapidly. All of a sudden you have gained a massive advantage over me but then you quit injecting however you still have that base. You continue to lift weights at the same weight you have gotten to and improve on that by continued work however I am also working and continuing to improve my lifting but it is a much slower process because I haven't injected. After that 6months I could be eg. 30kg less than you and that will continue because you have gained that strength..
Don't forget it also applies to stamina.. That is a huge advantage if Essendon has actually taken advantage of illegal supplements it is not a fair competition until either those players have retired or the rest of the competition has caught up which could take years..
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have spent a good 10 years closely listening, watching and reading up on what he has to say.
Met him a few times too which means jack shit but he has a seriously brilliant footy mind and you only succeed in this business if you have that quality. He gets paid incredibly good money to help football clubs prosper with that know how so why back peddle and then throw all that knowledge down the drain for a quick fix which has the added benefits of risking your job, reputation and friendship with many, many people in order to secretly shaft you peers in the hope of taking Essendon to a premiership within a relatively short period of time?
I mean what's the rush?
Essendon's list is fairly young, he saw how long it took Geelong to begin dominating and it's not as if Essendon are in dire situation like Melbourne or the Doggies and need immediate success in order to generate the funds for longevity.
It's where you could also see Bomber Thompson's impact being profound as he's been able to identity certain player types which have come into the side and I wouldn't be surprised if he's had a major say in their recent recruiting which has seen them look for bigger sized players who are ready made for AFL.
It is well known that Essendon went against the trend of slimming down and made the contested footy a primary focus, a focus which Bomber helped implement at Geelong.
I get what you are saying about the fitness benefits of such a program but until the report finds them guilty, they haven't done anything wrong yet, have they?
Of course innocent until proven guilty. Just remember that with the amount of money going into sports nowadays it means individuals will be willing to take the risk..
Not saying I believe this but who's to say that bomber didn't have geelong on drugs when he was there? I'm sure lance Armstrong was a great cyclist and planned out his tactics well but that doesn't mean much now does it.. The sad reality is there is drugs everywhere in sports and because of bombers connection to the bombers and geelong it will always make me wonder and I know a few other people that do aswell..
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I don't find it smug to demand that punishments are handed down to players / staff / and a club that has violated the rules. (allegedly)
Stop and think for a second about your comment that other teams haven't been able to take it out on Essendon on the field, perhaps because other teams haven't had the benefit of an illegal doping program (allegedly).
A lot of people are saying I hope the players aren't punished etc, WHY?
If a player signed a consent form that includes a banned substance, or allowed themself to be injected with a banned substance (even just once), they deserve the full suspension available. Jobe has admitted to taking a banned substance, he should face the full suspension simple.
If the punishments are to light WADA will simply appeal them, what we need to understand is that AFL is actually a minnow of a sport on the world scene WADA can't be seen to take it easy on an insignificant (to the majority of the world) sport in a small country just because we feel our sport will be harmed.
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So you end up with a Melbourne Storm type scenario where they play for no points for a whole season. Club still plays, rights are still honored, fixture remains...well..as tampered as it always has been.
Strict liability is 2 years.
Essendon will cop the full brunt of penalties from suspensions, lost points, fines, loss of draft picks, etc. And their supporters will blame the AFL, blame ASADA, blame WADA, blame the legal system........but they will never sit back and admit "Hird and the club culture around him brought all this on".
RattAttack
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Hypothetically - Essendon are cleared by ASADA on 'lack of evidence' or 'technicalities' etc and no club sanctions are imposed by the AFL. Then what? Is the club therefore justified in its behavior? Do they just continue on doing as they were because they were not at fault? Or worse do other clubs say 'we may as well do the same seeing as though it's not illegal'...
My point is if there is no punishment the behavior doesn't get stamped out and there is no way the AFL want to see that. They need to set an example here and the punishment needs to be serious enough so as to discourage this behavior from ever happening again.
For me no sanctions at all is not plausible.
My point is if there is no punishment the behavior doesn't get stamped out and there is no way the AFL want to see that. They need to set an example here and the punishment needs to be serious enough so as to discourage this behavior from ever happening again.
For me no sanctions at all is not plausible.
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