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HELLSBELLS said:
This is clutching at straws for a reason not to get Fev
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No. Citing Ben Cousins as a reason to get Fev is clutching at straws. Your logic is arse about. If the Cousins experiment was ultimately a failure, then you would be best advised to let that example go as it doesn't serve the argument to get Fevola. I'm not giving you reasons not to get Fevola. I'm telling you your principal reason to get Fevola is flawed because it includes Cousins. Forget him and start your argument from scratch.
 
RooHooDoo said:
Why did Carlton become a better team after Fevola left?
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How many goals did Carlton's key forwards kick in 2011? And how far off the mark were Carlton in 2011?

If JB got approval from our major sponsors to throw Fev a contract with a 'one stuffup and you're out' clause, I'd be all for it.

Especially if a buddy or two could be found to live with Fev at least over Summer to keep an eye on him.
 
UseYourIllusion said:
All of those are valid. FWIW I don't think it was a disaster for you guys to get him. But Fev offers none of those benefits, and like Cousins has had injury issues late.
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Fev offers the ability to mark the ball, and kick goals...accurately.
On a one stuff up and you're out policy, I honestly can't see why not.
People say he'd impede the growth of our team. To be honest, we'd be top 4, with a fit and firing Fev (imagine a forward line of Drew at CHF and Fev at FF)
,and there isn't really an obvious stand out for his position. You can say Black, but the two play very different games.
As far as i'm concerned, Fev would give us the option of having a heap of key position players, that we can then do a horses for courses approach. It's then a matter of drafting HBF'ers, midfielders and small forwards in the draft.

I've obviously oversimplified it, and although the bloke is a bell-end, i'd be willing to take the risk.
 

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AGC said:
Fev offers the ability to mark the ball, and kick goals...accurately.
On a one stuff up and you're out policy, I honestly can't see why not.
People say he'd impede the growth of our team. To be honest, we'd be top 4, with a fit and firing Fev (imagine a forward line of Drew at CHF and Fev at FF)
,and there isn't really an obvious stand out for his position. You can say Black, but the two play very different games.
As far as i'm concerned, Fev would give us the option of having a heap of key position players, that we can then do a horses for courses approach. It's then a matter of drafting HBF'ers, midfielders and small forwards in the draft.

I've obviously oversimplified it, and although the bloke is a bell-end, i'd be willing to take the risk.
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'One stuff up and you're out' is irrelevant for a guy on his last legs anyway. He would have nothing to lose. It would also be ineffective if he couldn't break in to the 22 since he wouldn't care anyway in the VFL if he was let go.

Every member of our forward line this year played at least two roles. Whether it was to pinch hit in the ruck, hitting up the flanks, goal square work, backline, or midfield. He has zilch versatility. He leads and marks like the best and his body use in contests is pretty good, but this skill set just isn't enough the way the game is played now and the way our forward line operates.
 
AGC said:
Fev offers the ability to mark the ball, and kick goals...accurately.
On a one stuff up and you're out policy, I honestly can't see why not.
People say he'd impede the growth of our team. To be honest, we'd be top 4, with a fit and firing Fev (imagine a forward line of Drew at CHF and Fev at FF)
,and there isn't really an obvious stand out for his position. You can say Black, but the two play very different games.
As far as i'm concerned, Fev would give us the option of having a heap of key position players, that we can then do a horses for courses approach. It's then a matter of drafting HBF'ers, midfielders and small forwards in the draft.I've obviously oversimplified it, and although the bloke is a bell-end, i'd be willing to take the risk.
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And how's Fev going to cope with being part of this type of policy? They same guy that spits the dummy if his leads are overlooked, let alone getting dropped every second week.

He peaked in 2008 and hasn't played AFL for nearly 12 months. He's unfit and 31. Carlton couldn't piss him of quick enough once his usefulness was over.

I fail to see how any of this gets us into the top 4 this year, next year or ever.
 
Passmore said:
And how's Fev going to cope with being part of this type of policy? They same guy that spits the dummy if his leads are overlooked, let alone getting dropped every second week.

He peaked in 2008 and hasn't played AFL for nearly 12 months. He's unfit and 31. Carlton couldn't piss him of quick enough once his usefulness was over.

I fail to see how any of this gets us into the top 4 this year, next year or ever.
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More like 15 months. He didn't play much in the second half of 2010 since he was injured.
 
MajakHarpeWright said:
How many goals did Carlton's key forwards kick in 2011? And how far off the mark were Carlton in 2011?

If JB got approval from our major sponsors to throw Fev a contract with a 'one stuffup and you're out' clause, I'd be all for it.

Especially if a buddy or two could be found to live with Fev at least over Summer to keep an eye on him.
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How many goals did they kick as a whole in 2011 as opposed to 2009?

How much better was their forward pressure?

Thats more relevant.
 
just take a look at his last hitout with casey,no goals,and reported LMAO
 
UseYourIllusion said:
'One stuff up and you're out' is irrelevant for a guy on his last legs anyway. He would have nothing to lose. It would also be ineffective if he couldn't break in to the 22 since he wouldn't care anyway in the VFL if he was let go.

Every member of our forward line this year played at least two roles. Whether it was to pinch hit in the ruck, hitting up the flanks, goal square work, backline, or midfield. He has zilch versatility. He leads and marks like the best and his body use in contests is pretty good, but this skill set just isn't enough the way the game is played now and the way our forward line operates.
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If he's not good enough he'll be back to the two's before long anyway and someone more deserving will take his spot, just like anyone else in the squad. If he is good enough, he will add something to the side.

Yes, versatility isn't something you can add to his CV but just because there isn't many/any true full forwards in 2011 doesn't mean they don't still work. Only one way to find out if he'll be still effective at AFL level. He has proven that is still the case in the VFL.

Personally, I dont subscribe to the theory that 'he's stealing games off another young kid.' If the kid is good enough he'll be banging down the door for selection and will make it impossible to leave him out. I understand that their are people that will disagree with this point and ultimately argument comes down to personal choice, there is no right or wrong answer.

To rookie list a proven AFL goal kicker and Coleman medallist on the minimum wage, which IF he fires may be enough to break us into the top 4 and get finals exposure for our young guys, to me is a no brainer.
Let's just get this straight. We would be paying minimum wage and not taking anyones spot on the list for Fev as he'd be a rookie.
For every Cam Pederson (nearly my favourite player this year by the way, love watching him) that excels on the rookie list there is a Matthew Scott who just didn't cut the mustard.
In return, we'd have immediate and sizable media exposure, more than likely attract new members, an increase in crowds (particularly as he makes his debut) and the opportunity to say we turned Fev's life around.

Should Fev slip up, he's gone. Simple as that. I am fairly confident the media would take the angle of 'North took the punt and Fev burnt them, what an arseh*le' rather than pay us out for showing faith in him. After all our society seems to built on giving people another chance at sorting thier life out (just look at our justice system!! :0)
IMO North Melbourne have one of the strongest cultures in the AFL and I truly believe if anyone can set him on the right path its us.

Make it happen...
 
RooHooDoo said:
How many goals did they kick as a whole in 2011 as opposed to 2009?
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Except that has more to do with the arrival of murphy and gibbs (among others) than whatever whoever has replaced fev as the focal point has done (or not done as was my point).

Anybody who genuinely thinks Carlton were better off this year without a fit and firing Fev is deluded. IIRC they were playing O'Hailpin as a key forward at times this year. O'Hailpin ffs.
 
muttley45 said:
just take a look at his last hitout with casey,no goals,and reported LMAO
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That, if for no other valid reason, was enough to say "this guy just doesn't get it. The eyes of the football world are upon him, seeing him in a final and hoping to see a desperate man determined to show recruiters and coaches he's worth that last pick."

Instead they witnessed him at his belligerent best. Ineffective, whinging, poor body language, and a most juvenile and silly report (and suspension) to cap things off, which reeked of a bloke realising he's utterly blown any shot he had.

Classic Fev.

He was once our most difficult opponent in the AFL. Unstoppable and more difficult for our defenders than Jonno Brown. That's a long time ago. He's still that at lower levels. Can he be that again at the "elite"* level? Dunno, but I doubt it.

*TM Brad Scott
 
MajakHarpeWright said:
Except that has more to do with the arrival of murphy and gibbs (among others) than whatever whoever has replaced fev as the focal point has done (or not done as was my point).

Anybody who genuinely thinks Carlton were better off this year without a fit and firing Fev is deluded. IIRC they were playing O'Hailpin as a key forward at times this year. O'Hailpin ffs.
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The bloke is a flog and if he'd stayed, Judd would probably have walked. He is poison. The entire list at Carlton has done better without him. Surely you've heard the stories of him taking the piss out of young and fringe players who spent more time in the gym than the minimum in order to improve themselves, and he apparently whinged and moaned every time additional fitness work was demanded of the whole team by the coaches. That attitude alone is counter to the mindset Judd has instilled in his team mates.

On field, he demands a wide open forward line and so his game doesn't work with all those small forwards that Carlton has developed. He may have kicked 80 goals for Carlton this year but they would have languished down the bottom again regardless of Murphy and Gibbs. Fevola would not have improved their performance one iota.
 
big_e said:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/sport/10849901/manson-soars-on-to-afl-radars/
"AFL clubs have been urged to take a punt on exciting WA teenager Waylen Manson after he kicked 10 goals to upstage Brendan Fevola in Darwin on Sunday.
Fevola and Manson lined up alongside each other for Waratahs against Wanderers in the Northern Territory Football League. Manson booted 10 goals and Fevola kicked eight in a guest performance, to set up an 89-point win.
Manson, 18, kicked eight goals the previous week after bagging 10 in the reserves just days after struggling through the AFL Draft Combine in Melbourne. He sat out the beep test, 3km time trial and skills testing at the combine.
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So what did he actually do? Rock up and get his photo taken in one of those NAB singlets, drink a couple of bottles of Gatorade and then go home?
 

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Fevs an interesting case.

Pros and Cons

Cons

He doesnt get a kick , Cant get Fit, Plays up, we give up a speculative late draft pick, takes the spot of a kid

Pros

He gets it together and kicks some goals, shows others how a ff plays, takes some heat of others, maybe adds a few members to the database, provides cover if a Dish or Hansen go down injured,

I reckon for a late draft pick its worth a shot
 
I know alot of people say Fev wouldn't be good for North I think he would be great then North can have Petrie at CHF and he Petrie would get better as he would hold down CHF like Carey in the 90's. When people say he would be a bad choice I don't think that would be the case as he we would get more members, crowds and it wouldn't cost us much so it would be a win/win situation and look at when Martin Pike when he came to the club where people said it was a bad decision and look how it turned out for Pike and North :)
 
Out of interest, why is his last game so telling but the ten before it when he kicked 8000 goals are irrelevent?

His AFL prospects have been on the line all season, not just the last game. And we know he's a brat. Anyone who takes a rookie punt on him is doing it because he can kick goals better than 99% of the country, not because he's a reformed leader.
 
Thewlis Dish said:
Out of interest, why is his last game so telling but the ten before it when he kicked 8000 goals are irrelevent?

His AFL prospects have been on the line all season, not just the last game. And we know he's a brat. Anyone who takes a rookie punt on him is doing it because he can kick goals better than 99% of the country, not because he's a reformed leader.
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Totally agree Thewlis.

I just dont get why North supporters keep suggesting we should / thinking we might actually pick him up. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. The club has stated this numerous times. He doesn't fit into our premiership plan. He is not going in the same direction as the NMFC.
There's a few people on here (and I'm sure alot of them are the same posters who persisted with Hamish trade talk up until the last day of trade week) who need to actually listen to the club, think about it a but more & stop wasting any more time with this crap.
 
I'm not fussed either way, but the club is strong enough to handle a character like Fev and the notion that he could ruin a club is ridiculous.

If someone does take a chance, he'll either kick 60 goals and they'll look line geniuses, or he'll fade into obscurity and everyone will move on. His reputation is already at a point that, if he does screw up again, he'll cop it a lot more than the club will.
 
marklovesbeer said:
Totally agree Thewlis.

I just dont get why North supporters keep suggesting we should / thinking we might actually pick him up. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. The club has stated this numerous times. He doesn't fit into our premiership plan. He is not going in the same direction as the NMFC.
There's a few people on here (and I'm sure alot of them are the same posters who persisted with Hamish trade talk up until the last day of trade week) who need to actually listen to the club, think about it a but more & stop wasting any more time with this crap.
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Isn't Thewlis saying it should happen.:confused:
 
spurs said:
Isn't Thewlis saying it should happen.:confused:
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Thewlis said

"Out of interest, why is his last game so telling but the ten before it when he kicked 8000 goals are irrelevent?

His AFL prospects have been on the line all season, not just the last game. And we know he's a brat. Anyone who takes a rookie punt on him is doing it because he can kick goals better than 99% of the country, not because he's a reformed leader."

Which I totally agree with. I think A team should give him a go. Thewlis isnt saying WE should be that team though. And there's no point in people discussing why we should get him because THIS CLUB does not want him.
 
On the Rumour File again this morning that NMFC is talking to Fev.

I'd be disappointed if we weren't talking to every delisted player that still has potential. Doesn't mean we wil recruit them.
 
We will have 40+ extremely fit blokes and 1 Fevalenko. He will hit the bottle pretty quickly when BON beats him by 3 minutes over 3.83k around The Tan.

No deal Mr Fevalenko.
 

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